Anti-Semitism is on the rise, stoked under progressive values

[FieldTheorist]

--If anyone ever wonders why white men are being portrayed as ignorant, they need only look at what are currently the loudest voices...who happen to be peddling weapons grade historical revisionism that claims that the left is responsible for antisemite white supremacism, 180 degrees diametrically opposed to eighty years of narrative on the subject from the people who were there.

I mean, I think that both political sides are falling for a lot of delusional thinking, or at least extremely counterproductive mentality. Generally speaking, I don't really subscribe to the idea that white men are particularly pernicious or ignorant. I think that there's special conditioning and messaging that goes out to white men by the media/establishment, but they also have messaging to make everyone ignorant and compliant with their wishes. Like, the same media establishment that decries Trump supporters as racist and sexist (which often enough a fair analysis) were the exact same people who decried Sanders and the Left as being sexists and racists, and then gave Trump 4 billion dollars in free air time to make sure everyone heard his message.

But that being said, yes, it's unbelievable that people are trying to argue that Leftism is responsible for the rise in anti-Semitism. The idea that being against the Israeli occupation is in any way comparable to the people who have massively and intentionally disseminated anti-Jew imagery (literally sometimes from Nazi Germany) and rhetoric that is intentionally designed to denigrate and promote paranoia about Jews. This is triple-duty, industrial-grade doublethink.

It's one thing if you support Israel wholesale, regardless of how much it breaks international law; it's quite another to be so willfully confused that you can't tell the moral differences between A.) Being against occupations and B.) Supporting for a large network of white nationalists who are successfully promoting anti-Semitism and Jewish conspiracy theories, and have actively influenced the President's worldview. And then being so confused you actually think that (A) is more anti-Semitic than (B).

 

[Evilroddy]

Neither insults nor false accusations, only hard truth. You came here to downplay antisemitism and in an earlier thread you let out a "chosen people" drivel that exposed you and your racist mindset. Your father should first of all taught you to live with and accept those who are different than you, you're in no way a person to learn from so you should really quit this ridiculous charade where an antisemitic foolish zealot can preach morality to anyone.

Apocalypse:

Yah, yah. Whatever. Talk to the hand sir because I'm not listening to your tripe and fixation on ad hominem attacks. So prattle on if you wish but you will be ignored unless you are civil and somehow find it within yourself to make reasoned arguments to people with whom you disagree rather than resorting so frequently to attempted character assassination and acrimonious name-calling. Until then I wish you the best but you're now in Coventry and will be ignored until you, like Saul, have a conversion on the road to Damascus.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[truthatallcost]

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/11/europe/antisemitism-poll-2018-intl

This data is startling considering the Holocaust is typically part of the curriculum in all World History classes. We are also seeing more and more Professors in college denying letters of recommendation for students who want to study abroad in Isreal.

Also, a lot of the hostility against Jews is being committed by Muslims:

https://www.hlsenteret.no/aktuelt/p...isk-vold-i-europa_engelsk_endelig-versjon.pdf

Islamists/Muslims are typically more liberal and anti-Isreal. Ilhan Omar, tweeted in 2012, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” Comments by Louis Farrakhan have been well-documented.

Personally, what I find disturbing is that anti-semitism is being brushed under the rug here in the United States. When someone like Steve King makes offensive comments against African Americans, it demands for action/protest by the Democrats. When officials make equally offensive comments against Jews, it sometimes does not even receive a response.

We need to remember what Anti-Semitism is. It is a dangerous conspiracy theory that promotes the idea that Jews are evil.

Shocking. Especially considering that CNN publishes fake news (remember Bucky?) every year claiming that antisemitism is at ' an all toime hoigh!' somewhere in the world.

2018- 'Antisemitism blankets the world!'
https://www.cnn.com/specials/europe/anti-semitism-europe

2017- 'Antisemitism up 86% in only 3 MONTHS!'
https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/04/24/us...rts-trnd/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

2016- 'Journalists are facing antisemitic scourge, like NEVA before!'
https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/19/media/adl-report-anti-semitic-tweets/index.html

2015- 'Europe facing antisemitism, like NEVA before!'
https://www-m.cnn.com/2015/02/17/op...index.html?r=https://www.google.com/&rm=1014-

2014- 'Unprecedented' Number of Antisemites in the WHOLE WORLD!

https://www-m.cnn.com/2014/05/14/wo...l-survey/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

2013- 'Technology is spreading rampant antisemitism!'
https://www-m.cnn.com/2013/10/18/op...net/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/&rm=1

2012- 'Europe TEAMING with antisemitism, no one paying attention!'
https://www-m.cnn.com/2012/03/22/op...ian/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/&rm=1

2011- 'Don't be fooled, antisemitism remains high!'
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/05/01/israel.study.anti.semitism/index.html

2010- 'Antisemitism rises THROUGH DA ROOF! Be alarmed goy!'
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/04/12/anti.semitic.study/index.html

2009- 'The UK is FILLED with antisemitism!'
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/17/anti.semitism/index.html

Jeffrey Zucker oversees CNN, CNN International, HLN, and CNN Digital. Zucker was born into a Jewish family in Homestead, Florida, near Miami.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Zucker

 

[truthatallcost]

Neither insults nor false accusations, only hard truth. You came here to downplay antisemitism and in an earlier thread you let out a "chosen people" drivel that exposed you and your racist mindset. Your father should first of all taught you to live with and accept those who are different than you, you're in no way a person to learn from so you should really quit this ridiculous charade where an antisemitic foolish zealot can preach morality to anyone.

Roddy's posts make yours look silly by comparison.

'Your father should first of all taught you to live with and accept those who are different than you'.

This is theater of the absurd.

 

[truthatallcost]

--If anyone ever wonders why white men are being portrayed as ignorant, they need only look at what are currently the loudest voices...who happen to be peddling weapons grade historical revisionism that claims that the left is responsible for antisemite white supremacism, 180 degrees diametrically opposed to eighty years of narrative on the subject from the people who were there.

What to call it?

MOTCM = Ministry of Truth Critical Mass: When paid weapons grade historical revisionism runs up against a larger, more powerful, and HISTORICALLY CORRECT force. The flatulence of decaying "alternative facts" is actually toxic to thinking human beings.

Texas Republicans use Holocaust Remembrance Day to bash leftism – and it quickly backfires

Think about it, the second largest state in the country, and its entire Republican Party is now under the Orwellian thrall of a Big Lie, perhaps the mother of all Big Lies.

Raw story is a garage website, on par with Sputnik.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I mean, I think that both political sides are falling for a lot of delusional thinking, or at least extremely counterproductive mentality. Generally speaking, I don't really subscribe to the idea that white men are particularly pernicious or ignorant.

Of course they aren't.

I think that there's special conditioning and messaging that goes out to white men by the media/establishment, but they also have messaging to make everyone ignorant and compliant with their wishes.

Ka-Ching #1 $$$

Like, the same media establishment that decries Trump supporters as racist and sexist (which often enough a fair analysis) were the exact same people who decried Sanders and the Left as being sexists and racists, and then gave Trump 4 billion dollars in free air time to make sure everyone heard his message.

Ka-Ching #2 $$$

---You better believe that the news media "industry" made that four billion back in spades, it was an investment.
They need eyeballs and Trump generates a lot of eyeballs. Stern manipulated a similar formula to catapult himself to the top of radio years ago.
(Except he was just telling fart jokes, not attempting to run the country.)



In fact, knowing as we do now, that Trump is actually only worth (at last estimate in 2014) about 780 million, and his fortunes have been fading, it is even quite conceivable that Howard Stern might just be wealthier than Donald Trump, or well on his way to passing #45 in the near future.
Howard Stern's net worth is estimated to be around $700 million.
Not bad for twenty years of fart jokes.

But that being said, yes, it's unbelievable that people are trying to argue that Leftism is responsible for the rise in anti-Semitism. The idea that being against the Israeli occupation is in any way comparable to the people who have massively and intentionally disseminated anti-Jew imagery (literally sometimes from Nazi Germany) and rhetoric that is intentionally designed to denigrate and promote paranoia about Jews. This is triple-duty, industrial-grade doublethink.

It's one thing if you support Israel wholesale, regardless of how much it breaks international law; it's quite another to be so willfully confused that you can't tell the moral differences between A.) Being against occupations and B.) Supporting for a large network of white nationalists who are successfully promoting anti-Semitism and Jewish conspiracy theories, and have actively influenced the President's worldview. And then being so confused you actually think that (A) is more anti-Semitic than (B).

It's hand in glove with the larger weapons grade historical revisionism that insists that Adolf Hitler was a liberal left-wing socialist.

 

[Virgil Jones]

Unsurprisingly, another Afrikaans sympathizer.

Well the Afrikaans are people, and any thought of exterminating them is surely fascist.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Raw story is a garage website, on par with Sputnik.

But the Houston Chronicle isn't, and they are the source for the story, RS was just the aggregator.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Truly retarded morons. I reject and repudiate them in every way, just as President Trump has rejected and repudiated them in every way, many, many times.

Ten bucks says you went to the rally and chanted "Jews will not replace us".
Stop the fake virtue signaling.

Your posting history is so filled with hate and bigotry it's like when Eric Cartman had an alien satellite dish problem in his posterior.

 

[truthatallcost]

But the Houston Chronicle isn't, and they are the source for the story, RS was just the aggregator.

1. Harris County is now blue. The GOP are dead there, thanks to demographics change.

2. Any story that uses a Facebook post to drive a narrative is most likely crap.

3. The ADL is quoted as saying, "The Holocaust should never be used for political purposes". That's like the NRA saying that the Second Amendment should never be used to defend gun ownership. Stupid.

4. I concede that the Houston Chronicle is the originator of the story, but the story is a nothing burger.

 

[truthatallcost]

Ten bucks says you went to the rally and chanted "Jews will not replace us".

So you've obsessed with this slogan since Charlottesville.
Question: the media seems to believe that there's another shoah waiting just around the bend, and that likely explains 99% of their paranoia. Aren't you folks guilty of beliving that 'whites are trying to replace us?' Seems an overriding theme of, oh, the past 1,000 years.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So you've obsessed with this slogan since Charlottesville.
Question: the media seems to believe that there's another shoah waiting just around the bend, and that likely explains 99% of their paranoia. Aren't you folks guilty of beliving that 'whites are trying to replace us?' Seems an overriding theme of, oh, the past 1,000 years.

An "overriding theme" that exists in the voices inside your head. Jews intermarry at an incredible rate, here in the US and everywhere else in the world. Oh....uh ohhhh, that touches on another TAAC bugaboo, miscegenation.
You probably shouldn't interact with me, seeing as how I'm a Jew-talian myself.

This is the last post of yours I'll be responding to because I normally don't see them, for a very good reason. (my sanity)

 

[Chagos]

~........................2. Any story that uses a Facebook post to drive a narrative is most likely crap........................~

I'll remind you of that the next time you use crap facebook to promote one of your crap stories.

 

[truthatallcost]

An "overriding theme" that exists in the voices inside your head. Jews intermarry at an incredible rate, here in the US and everywhere else in the world. Oh....uh ohhhh, that touches on another TAAC bugaboo, miscegenation.
You probably shouldn't interact with me, seeing as how I'm a Jew-talian myself.

This is the last post of yours I'll be responding to because I normally don't see them, for a very good reason. (my sanity)

No, you're link doesn't match your claim (Jews intermarry at an incredible rate). You linked to the search results for 'Jew-talian' lmao. Not that intermarriage or Jew-talians were the topic of discussion anyway.. phew.

 

[truthatallcost]

I'll remind you of that the next time you use crap facebook to promote one of your crap stories.

I've over 18,000 posts, and ten times as many threads as you. Good luck in your quest. I have higher standards than the paid journos at the Houston Chronicle.

 

[Chagos]

I've over 18,000 posts, and ten times as many threads as you. Good luck in your quest. I have higher standards than the paid journos at the Houston Chronicle.

I was speaking of facebook and there'd be no problem in finding instances where you used it (or twitter or whatever other gathering ground of brainless narcissism).

You're just not important enough to me right now.

As for your self-congratulating post and thread count, it may be news to you but quantity and quality do not necessarily always equate.

With some people never (as the number of threads you've had closed on you should really indicate to you).

And now, back to something completely different.

Like to the thread topic, which, as opposed to your desires, is not about you adding your own particular brand of Jew hatred so as to confirm what the title claims.

 

[Parrish]

Interesting. Someone better tell these guys:

And the POTUS who defended them.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

And the POTUS who defended them.

Maybe they just "went to the wrong rally". :lamo

 

[truthatallcost]

I was speaking of facebook and there'd be no problem in finding instances where you used it (or twitter or whatever other gathering ground of brainless narcissism).

Zuckerburg created the world's largest platform for narcissism? I'd agree, with Hollywood being a close 2nd. But Facebook is not Twitter Chagos. No man bun for you, you've failed the hipster test.

You're just not important enough to me right now.

Yes, stopping the will of real Brits by torpedoing Brexit is the #1 focus, I'd assume.

As for your self-congratulating post and thread count, it may be news to you but quantity and quality do not necessarily always equate.

With some people never (as the number of threads you've had closed on you should really indicate to you).

And now, back to something completely different.

Like to the thread topic, which, as opposed to your desires, is not about you adding your own particular brand of Jew hatred so as to confirm what the title claims.

'...stoked under progressive values'. Roe roes.... The progressives (hint:Im not one) are beginning to call out the flagrant lies, exaggerations, and hypocrisy that some of us on the opposite side of the political spectrum have for years. 'You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time', but when you get caught fooling too many people, it's time to cry out in pain and yell 'antisemitism'! :lamo

 

[Apocalypse]

Roddy's posts make yours look silly by comparison.

'Your father should first of all taught you to live with and accept those who are different than you'.

This is theater of the absurd.

The same applies to you of course. And what kind of service do you think you're doing to Evil by attempting to back him up here? He doesn't want to be seen as an antisemite and denies his antisemitic expressions' nature. That an openly racist who was educated to hate those different than him like you provides support is hardly helpful for the closet-racist type.

 

[Chagos]

Zuckerburg created the world's largest platform for narcissism? I'd agree, with Hollywood being a close 2nd.

Yup. I'm not knocking just everyone that's on it but it sure is a venue for the many that suffer the delusion of being the most significant people imaginable. Apart from which it is as secure as a rusted tube holds water.

But Facebook is not Twitter Chagos.

Gee, the air is heavily impregnated with wisdom today, eh? Good thing I have you or I'd never have known.:2razz:

No man bun for you, you've failed the hipster test.

I'll survive.

Yes, stopping the will of real Brits by torpedoing Brexit is the #1 focus, I'd assume.

Once again, you don't know much about me. Nor, for that matter, about the will of the Brits.

'...stoked under progressive values'. Roe roes.... The progressives (hint:Im not one)

don't really know what sort of ....gressive to call you, "re-" being a temptation though:2razz:

are beginning to call out the flagrant lies, exaggerations, and hypocrisy

just because I call out yours doesn't make ME a progressive either.

that some of us on the opposite side of the political spectrum have for years.

Lezt's not get into spectrums.

'You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time',

doesn't work for you in either case

but when you get caught fooling too many people, it's time to cry out in pain and yell '

tell me about it (as if we didn't hear you all the time):mrgreen:

 

[Chagos]

What types of behaviours are considered anti-Semitic? Semites are a language group. What types of people qualify for being targets of anti-Semitism. For example Arabs who speak Arabic are Semites based on their language grouping so is the US Travel Ban on many Arab countries a giant example of institutionalised anti-Semitism? If one includes Arabs as targets for anti-Semitism, then yes anti-Semitism is on the rise. But if you limit the definition to just Hebrew speaking folk, then no it is not rising.

You are grossly ill-informed.

The term "anti-semitism" found initial prominence in Germany some time in the mid 1800s (if indeed it wasn't even invented there) as a more elegant replacement for the somewhat crude "Judenhass" (hatred of Jews). Nothing to do with the language group then and nothing to do with it today.

If you widen the definition of anti-Semitism to include anyone who identifies as Jewish whether or not they speak Hebrew, then still no, anti-semitism is still not increasing.

You are clearly in no position (be that geographically or intellectually) to pass any such verdict

However if you drop the bar of what constitutes anti-Semitism to anything which annoys or upsets a Hebrew speaker or a Jew then yes, it is very much on the rise.

see abve

Where Yiddish fits into this I have no idea,

not the only thing you have no idea upon

so,maybe I should just go jump into the sea!

That would be overly drastic a step, but it would have helped if you'd just kept quiet.

Oy vey!

Indeed!!!

 

[Chagos]

The same applies to you of course. And what kind of service do you think you're doing to Evil by attempting to back him up here? He doesn't want to be seen as an antisemite and denies his antisemitic expressions' nature. That an openly racist who was educated to hate those different than him like you provides support is hardly helpful for the closet-racist type.

I don't think Evil is anti-semitic (closet or other), just grossly ignorant on the subject here.

On TAAC we need speak no further.

 

[Apocalypse]

I don't think Evil is anti-semitic (closet or other), just grossly ignorant on the subject here.

On TAAC we need speak no further.

I agree he isn't antisemitic out of pure evil (uh-em) like others here but even if it's out of ignorance his denial of the problem of antisemitism and his downplaying of the increasing threat Jews worldwide face from antisemitic attackers is still in its nature antisemitism. He's also made in another thread a sarcastic insertion about "the chosen people" where such insertion was entirely irrelevant and was seemed to be made out of a spite of Jews alone.

 

[Evilroddy]

You are grossly ill-informed.

The term "anti-semitism" found initial prominence in Germany some time in the mid 1800s (if indeed it wasn't even invented there) as a more elegant replacement for the somewhat crude "Judenhass" (hatred of Jews). Nothing to do with the language group then and nothing to do with it today.
You are clearly in no position (be that geographically or intellectually) to pass any such verdict see abvenot the only thing you have no idea upon That would be overly drastic a step, but it would have helped if you'd just kept quiet. Indeed!!!

Chagos:

Here is one of the sources I consulted before I made the post which you have taken umbrage with. The term was coined by a political activist who was seemingly unfamiliar with the meaning of the word Semitic. As an historian, teacher and enthusiastic student of ancient history, I am.

Anti-Semitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group. The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns under way in central Europe at that time. Although the term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a discrimination against all Semites. Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites. Nazi anti-Semitism, which culminated in the Holocaust, had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were converts. This variety of anti-Jewish racism dates only to the emergence of so-called “scientific racism” in the 19th century and is different in nature from earlier anti-Jewish prejudices.

From the Encyclopaedia Britannica online.

The German coiner of the phrase had no clear understanding of the meaning of the word Semitic and thus the term anti-Semitic is, as the Encyclopaedia Britannica calls it, a misnomer. That is why I defined the terms of different possible meanings of the term. Terms have meanings which drift over time. Anti-Semitism's meaning has changed from a religious based prejudice and bigotry towards Eastern European Jews, to a racially based prejudice and bigotry globally (which is odd because Jews are not a homogeneous racial group at all globally), until today when it is being conflated with any criticism of the State of Israel for any reason. It is better to define your terms and remove ambiguity in a debate than to proceed with fuzzy terms which are misnomers. So my statements above were designed to get people here to be aware and to think of the possible other meanings of the term "anti-Semitic" and to get them to understand the ongoing drift of meaning.

As to being ill informed on the topic, that was not the case with respect to the term anti-Semetism but it is true for something else in this thread. The acronym TAAC defeats me. I have looked it up and have found nothing that relates to anti-semitism. Perhaps you can help me out in this dimension of my ignorance.

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