Anti-Semitism is on the rise, stoked under progressive values

[Bucky]

More than a quarter of Europeans polled believe Jews have too much influence in business and finance. Nearly one in four said Jews have too much influence in conflict and wars across the world.

One in five said they have too much influence in the media and the same number believe they have too much influence in politics.

Meanwhile, a third of Europeans in the poll said they knew just a little or nothing at all about the Holocaust, the mass murder of some six million Jews in lands controlled by Adolf Hitler’s Nazi regime in the 1930s and 1940s.

A survey carried out on behalf of the Claims Conference earlier this year found that 10% of American adults were not sure they’d ever heard of the Holocaust, rising to one in five millennials. Half of all millennials could not name a single concentration camp, and 45% of all American adults failed to do so

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/11/europe/antisemitism-poll-2018-intl

This data is startling considering the Holocaust is typically part of the curriculum in all World History classes. We are also seeing more and more Professors in college denying letters of recommendation for students who want to study abroad in Isreal.

Also, a lot of the hostility against Jews is being committed by Muslims:

https://www.hlsenteret.no/aktuelt/p...isk-vold-i-europa_engelsk_endelig-versjon.pdf

Islamists/Muslims are typically more liberal and anti-Isreal. Ilhan Omar, tweeted in 2012, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” Comments by Louis Farrakhan have been well-documented.

Personally, what I find disturbing is that anti-semitism is being brushed under the rug here in the United States. When someone like Steve King makes offensive comments against African Americans, it demands for action/protest by the Democrats. When officials make equally offensive comments against Jews, it sometimes does not even receive a response.

We need to remember what Anti-Semitism is. It is a dangerous conspiracy theory that promotes the idea that Jews are evil.

 

[DaveFagan]

Perhaps it is related to the Israeli attacks on Damascus, Syria. Netanyahu has admitted to unprovoked attacks. Could that be influencing the data?
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[Praxas]

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Islamists/Muslims are typically more liberal and anti-Isreal.

How so? Liberals believe in the fact women can be leaders, not only politically but religiously too. Islam and conservatives do not. Liberals believe in LGBT rights, Islam and conservatives don't. Liberals believe in gay marriage, Islam and conservatives don't. Liberals believe in women in the work place, Islam and conservatives believe women are baby making machines and belong in the household. You are sadly and woefully ignorant on Islam AND liberals dude.

 

[Bucky]

How so? Liberals believe in the fact women can be leaders, not only politically but religiously too. Islam and conservatives do not. Liberals believe in LGBT rights, Islam and conservatives don't. Liberals believe in gay marriage, Islam and conservatives don't. Liberals believe in women in the work place, Islam and conservatives believe women are baby making machines and belong in the household. You are sadly and woefully ignorant on Islam AND liberals dude.

Muslims are more likely to identify as political liberals, particularly Muslims in America and Europe.

 

[Praxas]

Muslims are more likely to identify as political liberals, particularly Muslims in America and Europe.

Muslims don't believe in gay marriage or LGBT rights, a corner stone of liberals. Show us where Muslims are identifying as liberals. Again, you just display more ignorance dude.

 

[Fledermaus]

Perhaps it is related to the Israeli attacks on Damascus, Syria. Netanyahu has admitted to unprovoked attacks. Could that be influencing the data?
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Not likely.

Antisemitism existed long before Israeli attacks on Damascus, Syria. Israeli attacks on Damascus, Syria just gives them another excuse to hate the Jews.

 

[MrPeanut]

Not likely.

Antisemitism existed long before Israeli attacks on Damascus, Syria. Israeli attacks on Damascus, Syria just gives them another excuse to hate the Jews.

What if someone doesn't support Israel because of things like the attacks on Damascus? Are they antisemitic automatically?

 

[PeteEU]

I call bull**** on this survey.

1 in 20 have never heard of the holocaust in the countries surveyed? Seriously? Learning of the holocaust is mandatory in most if not all those countries during basic schooling and has been since 1945. And the worst "offender" is France? FRANCE? what the ****? Hell no. Who did they ask.. infants or senile old people?

We have heard about this supposed rise in anti-Semtic behaviour for decades and yet there is no empirical evidence in crime statistics that it has happened. Instances of actual anti-Semitic attacks or behaviour reported are relatively low.

Now saying that, issues against Israel is another matter.. here many Europeans have serious problems on how Israel acts as a nation.. including me, but that is not anti-semitic.

 

[lwf]

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/11/europe/antisemitism-poll-2018-intl

This data is startling considering the Holocaust is typically part of the curriculum in all World History classes. We are also seeing more and more Professors in college denying letters of recommendation for students who want to study abroad in Isreal.

Also, a lot of the hostility against Jews is being committed by Muslims:

https://www.hlsenteret.no/aktuelt/p...isk-vold-i-europa_engelsk_endelig-versjon.pdf

Islamists/Muslims are typically more liberal and anti-Isreal. Ilhan Omar, tweeted in 2012, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” Comments by Louis Farrakhan have been well-documented.

Personally, what I find disturbing is that anti-semitism is being brushed under the rug here in the United States. When someone like Steve King makes offensive comments against African Americans, it demands for action/protest by the Democrats. When officials make equally offensive comments against Jews, it sometimes does not even receive a response.

We need to remember what Anti-Semitism is. It is a dangerous conspiracy theory that promotes the idea that Jews are evil.

Anti-Semitism is not being stoked by progressive or conservative values, but a small number of conservatives and a small number of progressives definitely are Anti-Semitic.

I would argue that Anti-Semitism is being stoked by populism and nationalism: Both of which have found a foothold in the current Republican party which also happens to be conservative.

 

[Evilroddy]

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/11/europe/antisemitism-poll-2018-intl

This data is startling considering the Holocaust is typically part of the curriculum in all World History classes. We are also seeing more and more Professors in college denying letters of recommendation for students who want to study abroad in Isreal.

Also, a lot of the hostility against Jews is being committed by Muslims:

https://www.hlsenteret.no/aktuelt/p...isk-vold-i-europa_engelsk_endelig-versjon.pdf

Islamists/Muslims are typically more liberal and anti-Isreal. Ilhan Omar, tweeted in 2012, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” Comments by Louis Farrakhan have been well-documented.

Personally, what I find disturbing is that anti-semitism is being brushed under the rug here in the United States. When someone like Steve King makes offensive comments against African Americans, it demands for action/protest by the Democrats. When officials make equally offensive comments against Jews, it sometimes does not even receive a response.

We need to remember what Anti-Semitism is. It is a dangerous conspiracy theory that promotes the idea that Jews are evil.

Anti-semitism is being conflated with criticism of Israel and with ignorance among the young and that is illusory. Anti-Semitism is probably at its lowest level in 120 years. The brutalities and hostilities meted out to Jews in Europe, the Middle East and to a lesser degree in North America has dropped dramatically in that six-generation period. The signs barring Jews from clubs and businesses are gone, the imposed ghettos are gone, the pogroms have stopped and the wide-spread slaughters have stopped. Sure there is still prejudice, bigotry and the occasional anti-Semitic inspired act of violence and those must be dealt with. But things have generally gotten better.

The notion that all criticism of the actions of the State of Israel is at some level anti-Semitism is false. While there are no doubt critics of Israel who harbour anti-Semitic biases and perhaps hate, far more critics are judging and criticising the State of Israel for its actual behaviour both domestically and internationally. Criticising a country for its behaviour, if that behaviour is unacceptable by certain norms, is not anti-Semitism, it's paying attention.

Ignorance of the Holocaust and the concentration camp names is an indictment of our education systems but is not a sign of anti-Semitism at all. It's a sign of poor educational priorities and educational pre-occupation with other foci and time constraints for instruction or learning. How many young people know anything about the Christian driven Taiping Rebellion/civil war in China which killed two and a half times as many people (25 millions) as the Holocaust did because of the faiths they chose to follow? Like Taiping the memory of the Holocaust is fading and becoming more abstract and thus less relevant to the pre-occupied youth of today. Pre-occupation and indifference are not good but they do not equate to anti-Semitism.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[Apocalypse]

Anti-Semitism is not being stoked by progressive or conservative values, but a small number of conservatives and a small number of progressives definitely are Anti-Semitic.

I would argue that Anti-Semitism is being stoked by populism and nationalism: Both of which have found a foothold in the current Republican party which also happens to be conservative.

Small amount of conservatives sure. Nearly all far-right and nearly all far-left are antisemitic though.
There's something about Jew hatred that really appeals to people with extreme mindsets, more than any other form of racism and/or bigotry.

 

[Fledermaus]

What if someone doesn't support Israel because of things like the attacks on Damascus? Are they antisemitic automatically?

If they hate Israel because of attacks on Damascus they hate Israel.

If they hated Jews before the attacks on Damascus they are antisemitic with a new excuse.

 

[Fledermaus]

I call bull**** on this survey.

1 in 20 have never heard of the holocaust in the countries surveyed? Seriously? Learning of the holocaust is mandatory in most if not all those countries during basic schooling and has been since 1945. And the worst "offender" is France? FRANCE? what the ****? Hell no. Who did they ask.. infants or senile old people?

We have heard about this supposed rise in anti-Semtic behaviour for decades and yet there is no empirical evidence in crime statistics that it has happened. Instances of actual anti-Semitic attacks or behaviour reported are relatively low.

Now saying that, issues against Israel is another matter.. here many Europeans have serious problems on how Israel acts as a nation.. including me, but that is not anti-semitic.

Anti-Semitism pervades European life, says EU report
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46439194

France hit by 69% rise in anti-Semitic acts
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/09/europe/france-anti-semitic-acts-increase-intl/index.html

More 'prejudice in general': creeping anti-Semitism stalks Europe
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...i-semitism-stalks-europe-20180907-p502d2.html

Methinks you missed something...

 

[Fledermaus]

Anti-semitism is being conflated with criticism of Israel and with ignorance among the young and that is illusory. Anti-Semitism is probably at its lowest level in 120 years. The brutalities and hostilities meted out to Jews in Europe, the Middle East and to a lesser degree in North America has dropped dramatically in that six-generation period. The signs barring Jews from clubs and businesses are gone, the imposed ghettos are gone, the pogroms have stopped and the wide-spread slaughters have stopped. Sure there is still prejudice, bigotry and the occasional anti-Semitic inspired act of violence and those must be dealt with. But things have generally gotten better.

The notion that all criticism of the actions of the State of Israel is at some level anti-Semitism is false. While there are no doubt critics of Israel who harbour anti-Semitic biases and perhaps hate, far more critics are judging and criticising the State of Israel for its actual behaviour both domestically and internationally. Criticising a country for its behaviour, if that behaviour is unacceptable by certain norms, is not anti-Semitism, it's paying attention.

Ignorance of the Holocaust and the concentration camp names is an indictment of our education systems but is not a sign of anti-Semitism at all. It's a sign of poor educational priorities and educational pre-occupation with other foci and time constraints for instruction or learning. How many young people know anything about the Christian driven Taiping Rebellion/civil war in China which killed two and a half times as many people (25 millions) as the Holocaust did because of the faiths they chose to follow? Like Taiping the memory of the Holocaust is fading and becoming more abstract and thus less relevant to the pre-occupied youth of today. Pre-occupation and indifference are not good but they do not equate to anti-Semitism.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Please note the links in Post #13.

 

[lwf]

Small amount of conservatives sure. Nearly all far-right and nearly all far-left are antisemitic though.
There's something about Jew hatred that really appeals to people with extreme mindsets, more than any other form of racism and/or bigotry.

I've always wondered about that. I've never understood the weird problem some of them have with Jews of all people. I can see where modern racism against black people grew out of slavery and segregation. But how did Jews become the boogeyman for these people? Maybe a Christian vs Judaism thing?

 

[Chagos]

Please note the links in Post #13.

It's a bit difficult to differentiate anti-semitism that has always been from an actual rise.

What happens today is that more anti-semites feel emboldened to voice what they always thought in secret. Some of them encouraged by the far left uncritically championing a perceived underdog (thus condemning a perceived oppressor wholesale), some encouraged by the far right nationalism that is propagating along the lines of "there needs to be an end to all this holocaust guilt crap" and some being migrants of Muslim background and not even necessarily Arabs.

Now if some of that latter group turn to fire-bombing (however unsuccessfully) a synagogue in some German hick town as a means of expressing political protest, one doesn't have to wonder what makes them think that attacking a totally German religious community has anything to do with what they gripe over. On the contrary, the expression shown of all Jews being the same and thus all of them deserving it, leaves little doubt as to the anti-semitism held.

Same with walking thru certain areas of Berlin or Paris while wearing a Kipa most likely getting you a black eye from not just that particular group.

With the left and the right normally regarding each other with disdain and the right looking upon non-Aryans (whatever those are supposed to be) with equal hatred, nothing serves better to find common ground than a common enemy. Even if one has to make him/her.

Neither Hitler nor Goebbels invented this simple strategy, but they used it to "advantage".

With all sorts of others today following suit.

 

[Chagos]

I've always wondered about that. I've never understood the weird problem some of them have with Jews of all people. I can see where modern racism against black people grew out of slavery and segregation. But how did Jews become the boogeyman for these people? Maybe a Christian vs Judaism thing?

In part only, Muslims being, as we know, not Christians at all.

It's the old us vs. them thing and if the "them" camp were as big as the "us" camp, "us"would perhaps have thought twice about starting the next pogrom.

But minorities (which the Jews were everywhere in the past) are a promising target for otherwise un-channelled hate.

Doesn't take balls to attack them, it least it didn't until today you-know-where.

 

[eohrnberger]

Anti-Semitism pervades European life, says EU report
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46439194

France hit by 69% rise in anti-Semitic acts
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/09/europe/france-anti-semitic-acts-increase-intl/index.html

More 'prejudice in general': creeping anti-Semitism stalks Europe
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...i-semitism-stalks-europe-20180907-p502d2.html

Methinks you missed something...

Simply couldn't possibly have anything at all to do with the large number of immigrants and refugees from Middle East Muslim countries that have arrived in these EU countries, right?

I mean that Muslims from these nations who probably have a high rate of antisemitism wouldn't possibly continue those antisemitic regardless of which nation they live in, right?

Once an immigrants and refugees from Middle East Muslim countries arrives in these EU countries, they leave all their antisemitic bigotry behind once they arrive in the glory and goodness of EU countries, right?

Some rather unfounded and foolish assumptions some seem to have made.

 

[Fledermaus]

Simply couldn't possibly have anything at all to do with the large number of immigrants and refugees from Middle East Muslim countries that have arrived in these EU countries, right?

I mean that Muslims from these nations who probably have a high rate of antisemitism wouldn't possibly continue those antisemitic regardless of which nation they live in, right?

Once an immigrants and refugees from Middle East Muslim countries arrives in these EU countries, they leave all their antisemitic bigotry behind once they arrive in the glory and goodness of EU countries, right?

Some rather unfounded and foolish assumptions some seem to have made.

As Bugs Bunny might say...

Mmmmmmmm maybe.

Though I also see a resurgence of Neo Nazi groups as well.

None of this though can be attributed to "progressives" as the OP tries to say.

 

[eohrnberger]

As Bugs Bunny might say...

Mmmmmmmm maybe.

Though I also see a resurgence of Neo Nazi groups as well.

None of this though can be attributed to "progressives" as the OP tries to say.

It would seem a logical conclusion that the resurgence of Neo Nazi groups was instigated by the mass immigration / refugees arriving, don't you think?

Direct causation as well as an indirect causation might be reasonable assumptions to make.

 

[iguanaman]

Muslims are more likely to identify as political liberals, particularly Muslims in America and Europe.

Meaning they ave abandoned their religion for American values. That is a good thing. Muslims and Conservatives have outdated and discriminatory values.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Although Antisemitism is on the rise in Europe, trying to pin this phenomena on progressive ideology is a load of hooey.

European Antisemitism springs mainly from the radical right and hard nationalism, the same source as for Islamophobia.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Although Antisemitism is on the rise in Europe, trying to pin this phenomena on progressive ideology is a load of hooey.

European Antisemitism springs mainly from the radical right and hard nationalism, the same source as for Islamophobia.

I'd say there's an equal amount coming from the hard left - especially when you look at the problems the Labour Party is having dealing with antisemitism in its own ranks. Broader still, some migrant communities including muslim will bring historic hatred with them

 

[Fledermaus]

It would seem a logical conclusion that the resurgence of Neo Nazi groups was instigated by the mass immigration / refugees arriving, don't you think?

Direct causation as well as an indirect causation might be reasonable assumptions to make.

Agreed.

 

[PeteEU]

Methinks you missed something...

Not really..

Anti-Semitism pervades European life, says EU report
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46439194

It is Jews who are being surveyed and that makes the survey highly subjective. Since the Jewish communities pretty much everywhere are very tight knit (so are Muslim, and other minorities btw), a communal fear or view can easily spread among said minority populations. Does not mean it is true. It is the classic "I heard that there was a robbery down the street so that must mean crime is through the roof now" scenario.

Now that is not to say that anti-Semtic attacks dont happen.. they do and they are disgusting, but to what degree and what is considered "anti-Semitic" by the Jews being ask. I would would wager that some would see an verbal attack on Israel as anti-Semitic.. we see it constantly on these boards for example, which is why debating issues in Israel is censored.

Point is, this is a group of people who have been persecuted for centuries and while their fears should be taken seriously of course, the statistics simply do not back up what they feel.. in most cases. And before you go all "omfgs this Anti-Semetic" person bla bla... think about it in a non Jewish situation. Time and time again people are lead to believe in something that is not true simply because of "talk" in the community.

France hit by 69% rise in anti-Semitic acts

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/09/europe/france-anti-semitic-acts-increase-intl/index.html

Yes I do know of this.. and if you bothered to read the article and investigate, then you would spot some red flags.

All numbers are in %.. why? It is not the first time we have seen this, especially when talking about France and anti-Semitism. How many acts are we talking about? 100k? 40k? 4000?

I mean yes even 1 attack is bad, but how many are we talking about a year? Why is that number not published and only the % rise.

Also funny how the last 4 years no one mentioned that such attacks had fallen in France, but as soon as they go up... it is all over the place. Odd no?

I actually looked into this a few years ago on these boards.. in 2015 I believe, when yet another survey, report or whatever came out saying a massive rise in anti-Semitic attacks in France. Now if I remember right, the reports of course only used %, but when you dug to find the actual numbers.. it was in the hundreds, not thousands nor 10s of thousands... in a population of 65 million people. I am not trying to downplay the problem, but come on it is hardly the "death squads on the streets" as the media/reports/Israel tries to paint.

And the problem is that "attacks" include verbal, which is a huge majority. Actual physical attacks are rare. That does not mean that verbal attacks are not bad, just the relative issue again.

More 'prejudice in general': creeping anti-Semitism stalks Europe

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...i-semitism-stalks-europe-20180907-p502d2.html

Again more drivil with no actual proof. It reads like a propaganda piece coming out of the IDF propaganda office.

Listen, the rise of the far right in Europe is a problem and it brings anti-Semitism with it. So in that sense, yes it has gotten worse.. but lets be frank, the rise of the far right in the US and elsewhere has caused a similar if not worse rise many places. The fact that the OP says it is due to "progressives values" is just mind boggling.. no it is due to conservative far right neo nazi scum and their mainstream backers in people like Trump and Bannon.

But saying that, it is something we have to stand up against regardless of what faith you are and it is not just against Jews, but also Muslims, gays and everyone else. And those that target these minorities and use it in their politics to justify their existence, are on the right and they have to be stopped.