Americans - would you support single-payer?

[jpevans]

It is in my province.

So that’s another savings right there.

 

[eman623]

I support universal healthcare, not single payer

They are not the same thing.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I don’t know for sure, but wouldn’t emergency ambulance service be covered under Universal Healthcare?

Maybe, but that would depend on specific legislation and whether the EMS provider has any agreement to charge insurance providers. IIRC, both Medicare and Medicaid now say that they cover it.

Patients still not protected from surprise ground ambulance bills

When you dial 911, chances are you're not thinking about how much the ambulance ride will cost. When it comes to time pay, many insured Americans are blindsided with a surprise medical bill.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I've rarely had need of medical assistance, mostly (IMO) because I don't have a lot of "vices" that lead to poor health.

All you're doing is sounding more and more ignorant.
Poor health is not due solely to bad behavior.
Good God, you sound so smug it makes the air stink all the way over here.

 

[weaver2]

And in the next post backed it up with a CBC article. Do try to keep up.

Sorry I lost interest after the Pacific Research Institute quote. Your article isn't from the CBC it's from the Canadian Press and it isn't a poll it is the opinion one person made in 2010. Here's a poll done in 2021 which probably reflects more accurately how Canadians feel about their health care system.

"Although two-thirds of Canadians say they are satisfied with province’s healthcare system, this represents a slight two-point decrease compared to last year. The remaining third (32%) say they are dissatisfied with the system, with one in ten (10%) saying that they are ‘very dissatisfied’"

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/canadians-largely-satisfied-healthcare-system-eager-increased-access

Here's Gallups latest poll on American's satisfaction with their system

 

[ttwtt78640]

NO ONE EVER SAYS IT IS FREE so stop erecting the stupid straw man about "QUOTE free UNQUOTE".

Think, before you drink - even kool-aid.

This bill establishes the Medicare for All Program to provide all individuals residing in the United States and U.S. territories with free health care that includes all medically necessary care, such as primary care and prevention, dietary and nutritional therapies, prescription drugs, emergency care, long-term care, mental health services, dental services, and vision care.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676?s=1&r=3

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Do you find short lines today? We needed to find an endocrinologist, nobody was available within a 1hr drive for 6 months.

There are shortages in rural areas. I live in the 'burbs so its not quite as bad but in the cites finding specialists is usually easy.

Now since I live within an hours drive of two major cities, as long as I am willing to travel a bit I will have no problem not only finding specialists but high end facilties, including cutting edge genetic cancer treatment.

The system is broken and needs fixing, but it isn't as bad for some as others. I am in the last third of my life span [wishful thinking - maybe fifth to be more accurate]. I want what is working for me to remain working so by all means fix it, but not by reducing my end of it while my need is greatest.

 

[Superfly]

According to Medicare, I guess Birmingham cleaned up their act a bit.


Birmingham , AL — The Birmingham VA Health Care System received a 4-star patient experience rating in Medicare’s latest Hospital Consumer Assessment of Healthcare Providers and Systems (HCAHPS) patient survey report.

Birmingham VA scores high marks for patient experience | VA Birmingham health care | Veterans Affairs

The Birmingham VA Health Care System received a 4-star patient experience rating in Medicare’s latest Hospital Consumer Assessment of Healthcare Providers and Systems (HCAHPS) patient survey report.

www.va.gov

Did a little digging. Apparently the Birmingham VA has changed hands several times since we had our issues with it. Thats always a good thing.

 

[Donatello]

No.

I would support however getting the federal government out of our healthcare entirely. Nothing is so inefficient or wastefully expensive as a federal "program."

Moreover, I don't believe the general welfare clause - butchered as it's been over the decades - supports the federal government running, or even regulating the nation's healthcare system.

Do you think rich people should get better healthcare than the poor if they're paying for it?

 

[Bullseye]

Simple fix. Just raise taxes. Republicans never will. They want them bankrupt where they will be easier to get rid of.

I believe the wealthy in this country have had a nice run over the last 50 years. Every since Reagan and trickle down. The other 90% of Americans have suffered for it. Time to pay the piper.

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Raising taxes has been done several times. Not sure what your charts above are supposed to prove, but they don't prove much.

 

[aociswundumho]

Do you think rich people should get better healthcare than the poor if they're paying for it?

Do you? If no, how would you prevent them?

 

[butterfly]

Millions...tens of millions of people would get sick and die, and visit ERs and end up costing more than preventative health care, all that suffering and loss of life.
You really support all that? Or would government still fund it, just not control it?

And what about regulating the health care industry, you want it unregulated too?

These seems insane.

Federal government is no more or less wasteful than private control in principle it's just a system that humans can either design well/efficiently, or not.
If you think the private health care and insurance industry don't jack up prices/procedures to earn higher profits for unnecessary testing and procedures, you are fooling yourself.

You mean like they do in western Europe for example?

 

[Allan]

You mean like they do in western Europe for example?

?

 

[Felis Leo]

I used to be against the idea. But after years of dealing with the miserable, byzantine, Kafkaesque, semi-privatized semi-public system we have, I think if we had something along the lines of Germany, a universal multi-payer system, I would be for it.

 

[trixare4kids]

Not at all. Exxon provides essential commodities. the only commodites Congress produces is bullshit and hot air. Oh, and lies.

::high five::

 

[Captain Adverse]

Having others pay for your annual check ups but denying others the same is what, exactly?

(Sigh) The Veterans Benefits earned by a period of military service are part and parcel of serving in the military and service members EARNING those "benefits." You know, the one's that provide aide and support for those wounded physically and mentally after a period protecting U.S. policy, and perhaps YOU and other citizens from harm?

How does that compare with "Joe Citizen" and taxing everyone just because some people "exist" and by mere existence "deserve" things? That is this sense of entitlement that causes more and more taxation and more and more people figuring out a way to finagle freebees.

So think about my first paragraph before you seek to compare apples with empty air, because IMO "empty air" is what sustains these "buy votes via dependency" arguments for all sorts of "free stuff" that isn't very "free" at all.

 

[LouC]

Medicare and Social Security are running out of money - the amount brought in by taxes is forcing them to draw down on other assets; which are projects to run out within 10-12 years.

Only because of total indifference, or fear, of both political parties to confront and correct the issue.

They will both allow it to run the clock down and throw a patch on it like a CR all in the name of avoiding the hard work by just kicking the can down the road.

 

[ttwtt78640]

(Sigh) The Veterans Benefits earned by a period of military service are part and parcel of serving in the military and service members EARNING those "benefits." You know, the one's that provide aide and support for those wounded physically and mentally after a period protecting U.S. policy, and perhaps YOU and other citizens from harm?

How does that compare with "Joe Citizen" and taxing everyone just because some people "exist" and by mere existence "deserve" things? That is this sense of entitlement that causes more and more taxation and more and more people figuring out a way to finagle freebees.

So think about my first paragraph before you seek to compare apples with empty air, because IMO "empty air" is what sustains these "buy votes via dependency" arguments for all sorts of "free stuff" that isn't very "free" at all.

OK, but are your “free” publicly funded benefits (paid for, in part, by “Joe Citizen”?) any less “free” if they are given to everyone (even *gasp* “Joe Citizen”)?

 

[LouC]

Not at all. Exxon provides essential commodities. the only commodities Congress produces is bullshit and hot air. Oh, and lies.

May not fit the definition of commodities, but what about the benefits Congress provides to Exxon, via industry subsidies, providential leases on government lands, and ever larger tax breaks to ever wealthier Exxon executives?

All whilst Exxon helped provide US consumers with the highest gas and diesel prices in America, ever!

 

[Captain Adverse]

Think, before you drink - even kool-aid.

OK, but are your “free” publicly funded benefits (paid for, in part, by “Joe Citizen”?) any less “free” if they are given to everyone (even *gasp” “Joe Citizen”)?

They are not free in any case.

Like I said, the difference is that VA Benefits are contractual. Now, if you and other taxpayers believe this should no longer be the case, then by all means lobby, vote, etc. to eliminate them. It might reduce interest in serving the Country in the military knowing one will be tossed aside if debilitated, but that's how it goes.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

knowing one will be tossed aside if debilitated, but that's how it goes.

You just spent an entire day pretending to make the case for tossing everyone aside if they're debilitated --- as long as you've got yours, and then you wrapped it all up in a burrito of virtue signaling.
"Look at MEEEEE I have no vices which is why I don't need much medical care unlike you GREASY DEGENERATE SAVAGES Ooooooooooo!!!"

And that is WHY I hope and pray you get the Group Eight goodbye kiss, and why if or when you ever end up in Group Two or One, you get told to take it to Urgent Care at the Mall.

 

[ttwtt78640]

They are not free in any case.

Like I said, the difference is that VA Benefits are contractual. Now, if you and other taxpayers believe this should no longer be the case, then by all means lobby, vote, etc. to eliminate them. It might reduce interest in serving the Country in the military knowing one will be tossed aside if debilitated, but that's how it goes.

Nobody was advocating removing VA benefits. If you disagree then cite your example(s).

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Did a little digging. Apparently the Birmingham VA has changed hands several times since we had our issues with it. Thats always a good thing.

Maybe that's why Memphis is seemingly unfixable?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Nobody was advocating removing VA benefits. If you disagree then cite your example(s).

Look, both of you...STOP with the finger wagging bullshit about it being "free".
Nobody thinks it's free unless they have the intellectual capacity of a retarded nine year old gang banger on crack.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Nobody was advocating removing VA benefits. If you disagree then cite your example(s).

I was not posting that specifically for you, it is for all the "invisible" members who may be arguing if they don't get them, no one should.

Just look in the thread. There have been members who seem to assert that VA benefits are the same, and if they don't get such benefits despite no real argument except "I exist, so should be entitled," then people who do get VA benefits should lose them since its all the same to them.