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Americans - would you support single-payer?

Would you support a single payer system in the US?

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Look, both of you...STOP with the finger wagging bullshit about it being "free".
Nobody thinks it's free unless they have the intellectual capacity of a retarded nine year old gang banger on crack.
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I showed you the summary of the bill H.R. 676 (Medicare For All), which described the program’s benefits as being free (meaning at no additional out-of-pocket cost). That is in contrast to (current) Medicare (for some) which has monthly premiums, annual deductibles and co-pays.
 
EdwinWillers said:
No.

I would support however getting the federal government out of our healthcare entirely. Nothing is so inefficient or wastefully expensive as a federal "program."

Moreover, I don't believe the general welfare clause - butchered as it's been over the decades - supports the federal government running, or even regulating the nation's healthcare system.
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The government has always regulated healthcare. Why do you think healthcare providers are required to have licensure?

The government should be preventing the insurance industry from raping the public with baseless, unnecessary denials.
 
LouC said:
May not fit the definition of commodities, but what about the benefits Congress provides to Exxon, via industry subsidies, providential leases on government lands, and ever larger tax breaks to ever wealthier Exxon executives?

All whilst Exxon helped provide US consumers with the highest gas and diesel prices in America, ever!
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What's that got to do with the issue?
 
LouC said:
May not fit the definition of commodities, but what about the benefits Congress provides to Exxon, via industry subsidies, providential leases on government lands, and ever larger tax breaks to ever wealthier Exxon executives?

All whilst Exxon helped provide US consumers with the highest gas and diesel prices in America, ever!
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Was that Exxon or Biden? :eek:
 
Captain Adverse said:
I was not posting that specifically for you, it is for all the "invisible" members who may be arguing if they don't get them, no one should.

Just look in the thread. There have been members who seem to assert that VA benefits are the same, and if they don't get such benefits despite no real argument except "I exist, so should be entitled," then people who do get VA benefits should lose them since its all the same to them.
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I agree that many folks feel entitled (to all manner of federal government assistance), but that’s far removed from saying that others aren’t (or are no longer) entitled.
 
Bullseye said:
But most singlepeyer nations also have shortages, rationing and higher taxes.
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False. If I need any type of care my provider will never tell me "that's not covered" or that a provider is "out of plan"
 
butterfly said:
It was sarcasm. Tens of millions of people aren't dying in western European countries. Their health care generally serves better than our own. Life expectancy is longer, for example. Preventative health care is easier to come by.
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Ahh ok ya got me!
 
Bullseye said:
Medicare and Social Security are running out of money - the amount brought in by taxes is forcing them to draw down on other assets; which are projects to run out within 10-12 years.
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if we can afford what it cost to develop the V-22 Osprey which is currently grounded because it has killed another plane load of personnel we can afford to shore up Medicare, Medicaid and SS.

If we can afford to support a war in Ukraine and the obliteration of Gaza we can afford to spend money on programs that keep Americans healthy.

If we can give Bibi, several billions a year we can afford to shore up Medicare, Medicaid and SS

If we can give corporations billions in tax relief then we can afford programs the programs the average American depends on.

There is plenty if money, It's intelligent priorities that are in short supply
 
weaver2 said:
if we can afford what it cost to develop the V-22 Osprey which is currently grounded because it has killed another plane load of personnel we can afford to shore up Medicare, Medicaid and SS.
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Best non-sequitur of he day.
weaver2 said:
If we can afford to support a war in Ukraine and the obliteration of Gaza we can afford to spend money on programs that keep Americans healthy.

If we can give Bibi, several billions a year we can afford to shore up Medicare, Medicaid and SS

If we can give corporations billions in tax relief then we can afford programs the programs the average American depends on.

There is plenty if money, It's intelligent priorities that are in short supply
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Follow by several more nonsensical silliness.
 
Allan said:
False. If I need any type of care my provider will never tell me "that's not covered" or that a provider is "out of plan"
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And the Governor of Canada can't even deliver follow care within the expansive guidelines it sets for itself. Any guess how many Canadians come south to avail themselves of terrible US healthcare?
 
Bullseye said:
And the Governor of Canada can't even deliver follow care within the expansive guidelines it sets for itself.
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That makes no sense.
Bullseye said:
Any guess how many Canadians come south to avail themselves of terrible US healthcare?
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And Americans come here, and to Mexico.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
The billionaires can start paying their fair share. The 1% will need to stop being tax cheats. Either that, or they can pay for their own care.
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Exactly, numerically, what is a FAIR share?

How are the 1% cheating on their taxes?

EVERYONE should pay for their own care. Maybe then costs couldn't rise so much.
 
EdwinWillers said:
No.

I would support however getting the federal government out of our healthcare entirely. Nothing is so inefficient or wastefully expensive as a federal "program."

Moreover, I don't believe the general welfare clause - butchered as it's been over the decades - supports the federal government running, or even regulating the nation's healthcare system.
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So no Medicare or Medicaid then?
 
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