Americans - would you support single-payer?

[Lovebug]

Not only "no" but "HELL NO!"

Why?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Why?

See post #349.

 

[aociswundumho]

The Austrian healthcare system ranks in the top 10 worldwide.

A homogeneous country with the population of NYC.

Socialist institutions work worse the larger they get and the more diverse the population. It's much easier to stomach high taxes for a welfare state in a society where everyone looks and acts the same.

 

[rickc]

See post #349.

Opinions vary

I would say yours is well into the minority.

Will single payer ever come to pass?

It won't as long as Republicans have enough power in congress to filibuster it. Their existence is to protect/increase the wealth of the wealthy. They take the Grover Norquist pledge to never raise taxes. As long as they can keep that white working class conned into voting for them then we will keep the capitalist system we have. Lots of money to be made denying health care to Americans.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes.

How Much More Than Medicare Do Private Insurers Pay? A Review of the Literature | KFF

This brief reviews findings from recent studies that compare Medicare and private health insurance payment rates for both hospital and physician services.

www.kff.org

This also occurs with (private) Medicare Advantage plans. Our (WellCare) Medicare Advantage plans pay us each $95/month by taking less in Medicare Part B premiums out of our SS retirement benefits.

Thank you for the link. Very interesting read.

WW

 

[ttwtt78640]

Opinions vary

OK, then cite a UHC bill which you support.

I would say yours is well into the minority.

Will single payer ever come to pass?

It won't as long as Republicans have enough power in congress to filibuster it. Their existence is to protect/increase the wealth of the wealthy. They take the Grover Norquist pledge to never raise taxes. As long as they can keep that white working class conned into voting for them then we will keep the capitalist system we have. Lots of money to be made denying health care to Americans.

 

[rickc]

OK, then cite a UHC bill which you support.

Personally I have Medicare and have been very happy with it. I think it could easily be expanded to cover all Americans.

The entire rest of the developed world has universal health care. We are the only capitalistic health care in the world. Shows in what we pay and outcomes.

If not Medicare for all then we have successful plans From all around the world we could select parts of. Build that best health care plan in the world that righties have always claimed they will have in two weeks.

 

[trixare4kids]

Other

Raise the taxes of those who want a one payer system, but not our senior citizens. Do not burden them with any additional costs for their health care currently called Medicare.

 

[Allan]

A homogeneous country with the population of NYC.

Socialist institutions work worse the larger they get and the more diverse the population. It's much easier to stomach high taxes for a welfare state in a society where everyone looks and acts the same.

Canada's pretty diverse.

 

[eohrnberger]

Nope.

As a Member of Congress or designated congressional staff, why am I no longer able to be covered by an OPM-contracted FEHB plan? - OPM.gov

Welcome to opm.gov

www.opm.gov

Nope, the opposite appears to be true.

Is There a Penalty for Being Uninsured in 2024?

In most states, there's no longer a penalty for being uninsured. But uninsured residents in a few states will owe a penalty on their state tax return.

www.verywellhealth.com

OK. Fair enough. I recall the controversy, but I guess not the details, hence in the form of a question.

 

[rickc]

Other

Raise the taxes of those who want a one payer system, but not our senior citizens. Do not burden them with any additional costs for their health care currently called Medicare.

You realize I have been paying for Medicare for 55 years. It's no welfare program.

 

[trixare4kids]

You realize I have been paying for Medicare for 55 years. It's no welfare program.

Did you miss where I wrote that those who are currently on Medicare should not have their taxes raised to front the costs for a one payer system?

 

[mrjurrs]

Not only yes, hell yes.

 

[mrjurrs]

Did you miss where I wrote that those who are currently on Medicare should not have their taxes raised to front the costs for a one payer system?

That's not how taxes work.

 

[washunut]

That's way to high

Other than zero, what should the number be?

 

[MAGAnificent]

They should.

Canadians live longer, have a higher standard of living and no one goes bankrupt trying to pay for a heart transplant.

In fact, with our system, and its easy access, heart disease is usually detected early as was my case.

Evidently the Canadian healthcare system is not preferred by all Canadians:

Why Canadian premier seeks health care in U.S.

[...] just as American hospitals are becoming popular vacation destinations for about...

www.sfgate.com

 

[Lovebug]

Other than zero, what should the number be?

Null

 

[MAGAnificent]

Why?

It would not work in the US. It is prohibitively expensive. It would result in healthcare shortage and government rationing.

 

[eohrnberger]

It would not work in the US. It is prohibitively expensive. It would result in healthcare shortage and government rationing.

Highlighting the realities as described in #287.

 

[Bullseye]

Suggesting that Exxon is more trustworthy than Congress is the real brain fart.

Not at all. Exxon provides essential commodities. the only commodites Congress produces is bullshit and hot air. Oh, and lies.

 

[Bullseye]

null

 

[MrWonka]

Just a temperature check on how Americans feel about single-payer universal health care.

I have my concerns, but I think it would be better than what we had before Obamacare, and it could be still an improvement over Obamacare.
I think there are other choices I'd like to see us try before moving to single payer, but I wouldn't be too angry if we just jumped right to it.

My main concern with Single payer is that it won't always be run by some nice guy like Bernie Sanders. Eventually whether you like it or not another shit head like DeSantis or Paul Ryan will get power, and they will be in charge of your health care.
Just look at what Republicans are doing to public school systems in states they control... Just look at what Trump has done to the post office...

If you give a right wing shit head a monopoly over health care payments they're going to use it to screw over doctors and nurses to the point.
It's bad enough that teachers in this country have to go on strike to get paid a fair wage, we can't have Doctors doing that.

 

[rickc]

I have my concerns, but I think it would be better than what we had before Obamacare, and it could be still an improvement over Obamacare.
I think there are other choices I'd like to see us try before moving to single payer, but I wouldn't be too angry if we just jumped right to it.

My main concern with Single payer is that it won't always be run by some nice guy like Bernie Sanders. Eventually whether you like it or not another shit head like DeSantis or Paul Ryan will get power, and they will be in charge of your health care.
Just look at what Republicans are doing to public school systems in states they control... Just look at what Trump has done to the post office...

If you give a right wing shit head a monopoly over health care payments they're going to use it to screw over doctors and nurses to the point.
It's bad enough that teachers in this country have to go on strike to get paid a fair wage, we can't have Doctors doing that.

Anyone who isn't in the top 1% who votes republican is ignorant.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Personally I have Medicare and have been very happy with it. I think it could easily be expanded to cover all Americans.

The entire rest of the developed world has universal health care. We are the only capitalistic health care in the world. Shows in what we pay and outcomes.

If not Medicare for all then we have successful plans From all around the world we could select parts of. Build that best health care plan in the world that righties have always claimed they will have in two weeks.

In other words, you support the general concept, yet no specific legislative proposal.

Perhaps, you should look at Medicare for all this way: Medicare (for some) costs in premiums alone about $150 monthly per person, so to supply that benefit to a 4 person household should cost them $600/month (or $7,200/year) in premiums.

 

[weaver2]

Evidently the Canadian healthcare system is not preferred by all Canadians:

Why Canadian premier seeks health care in U.S.

[...] just as American hospitals are becoming popular vacation destinations for about...

www.sfgate.com

Your article is an opinion piece, written in 2010, without statistical evidence, by a conservative for a conservative think tank.

The Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy is a California-based free-market think tank which promotes "the principles of individual freedom and personal responsibility" through policies that emphasize a free economy, private initiative, and limited government. from Wikipedia.

It was founded in 1979 by a wealthy English chicken farmer , Sir Anthony Fisher. It is hardly a definitive report on how Canadians regard their health care and insurance system.