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11 Things The Wealthiest 400 Americans Could Buy Their Country

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sangha said:
This is just a rationalization for focusing on the FITs to the exclusion of every other fact. That is meant to disguise the fact that the rich are not paying their fair share
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you know repeating that silly mantra of yours over and over and over without ever giving a rational definition of what is fair is getting rather boring and while it never had much use-its downright worthless now
 
TurtleDude said:
I couldn't care less if it doesn't meet your test. Its obvious to anyone who is not blinded by bias that when someone crows that the "rich don't pay their fair share" they are pandering to the poor
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So far, the only one who understands how "obvious" it is is you. And you haven't identified any politician who has used the phrase "the rich don't pay their fair share"
 
TurtleDude said:
you know repeating that silly mantra of yours over and over and over without ever giving a rational definition of what is fair is getting rather boring and while it never had much use-its downright worthless now
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I have explained what fair share means several times. This is just another attempt to ignore all the facts.
 
sangha said:
So far, the only one who understands how "obvious" it is is you. And you haven't identified any politician who has used the phrase "the rich don't pay their fair share"
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are you going to stand on that claim

Obama has said it several times

he said it the other night
 
sangha said:
I have explained what fair share means several times. This is just another attempt to ignore all the facts.
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do it again

fair share is rationally related to

1) share of the income

the rich make 22% of the income-22% of the tax would be fair

2) use of government services. Cannot accurately measure but the top 1% certainly don't use 40% of the services and the 47% who pay no federal income tax certainly do not use ZERO percent of the services paid for by the income tax. The top one percent pay virtually all the death taxes and they certainly don't use ALL the services paid for by that tax
 
TurtleDude said:
do it again

fair share is rationally related to

1) share of the income

the rich make 22% of the income-22% of the tax would be fair

2) use of government services. Cannot accurately measure but the top 1% certainly don't use 40% of the services and the 47% who pay no federal income tax certainly do not use ZERO percent of the services paid for by the income tax. The top one percent pay virtually all the death taxes and they certainly don't use ALL the services paid for by that tax
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I've done it several times. Go back and look.

1) You want to focus on FITs to the exclusion of every other tax and law that benefits the wealthy in order to hide the redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy

2) You completely failed to explain how this consumption tax system of yours would work in the thread that was started specifically to see if anyone could explain how that would work in real life. You didn't even try.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/104349-taxation-retail-shopping-model-10.html#post1059658304
 
TurtleDude said:
I couldn't care less if it doesn't meet your test.
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Test? okay what ever you say.

Its obvious to anyone who is not blinded by bias that when someone crows that the "rich don't pay their fair share" they are pandering to the poor
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The share of residents in poverty climbed to 14.3 percent in 2009, the highest level recorded since 1994. The rise was steepest for children, with one in five affected, the bureau said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/17/us/17poverty.html
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Do you really think Presidents get elected pandering to such a small minority?
Those with a family income below $25,000 (which, staggeringly, can still be above the federal poverty level) are 1.5 times less likely to vote than those with family incomes between $25,000 and $75,000 and two times less likely to vote than those in families earning more than $75,000 per year.


Why Poor People Don't Vote | Change.org News
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Especially a group that is less likely to vote.
 
sangha said:
Prove it!!!
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that is rich coming from someone who constantly lies that the rich are paying less a share of the federal taxes today or that the US tax system redistributes wealth to the rich when in reality the poor and middle class are paying less of the tax burden now than they did 30 years ago

If you want to deny Obama said that the other night (and quoting another and adopting the quote is the same as saying it) go ahead and run with that.
 
TurtleDude said:
that is rich coming from someone who constantly lies that the rich are paying less a share of the federal taxes today or that the US tax system redistributes wealth to the rich when in reality the poor and middle class are paying less of the tax burden now than they did 30 years ago

If you want to deny Obama said that the other night (and quoting another and adopting the quote is the same as saying it) go ahead and run with that.
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You claim the president said "the rich don't pay their fair share". Why won't you post some proof?
 
TurtleDude said:
cartoons seem to be about the best you can do rather than dealing with economic reality
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I prefer actual cartoons to your cartoonish posting. If you should happen to say something serious I might respond in kind.
 
sangha said:
You claim the president said "the rich don't pay their fair share". Why won't you post some proof?
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did you listen to obama the other night

stop derailing the thread with such dishonesty
 
Catawba said:
I prefer actual cartoons to your cartoonish posting. If you should happen to say something serious I might respond in kind.
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you really have no room to talk.
 
sangha said:
I'm still waiting for you to prove that Obama said "the rich are not paying their fair share". I can wait
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did you listen to his speech
 
TurtleDude said:
did you listen to his speech
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from Obumble's speech
Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment? And I think I know your answer.”
 
sangha said:
Yes. Are you ever going to back up your claim that Obama said "the rich are not paying their fair share"?
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I suspect rather than admit you were wrong you will dishonestly claim that since he did not say rich he didn't claim that
 
TurtleDude said:
from Obumble's speech
Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment? And I think I know your answer.”
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Very good.

So what?
 
Tax Burden Between Wealthy And Middle Class Is Narrower Than At Any Time In Modern History

"There has been a lot of consternation recently regarding the Obama administration’s continuing commitment to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthiest American households. House Democrats are pushing to leave “well-enough alone for now” — with Rep. Mike McMahon (D-NY) even saying that those making $250,000 per year are “barely making ends meet” — while Republicans are trying to convince the President to “back off the marginal rate tax hikes.”

But today the administration’s Council of Economic Advisers released its annual Economic Report of the President, which bolsters the case for allowing the cuts to expire. For instance, the report notes that “in recent years nearly half of all income — including both wages and salaries and nonlabor income — has gone to 10 percent of families. The top 1 percent of families now receive nearly 25 percent of income, up from less than 10 percent in the 1970s.”

And at the same time that more and more income has become concentrated at the top of the scale, tax rates on the highest earners have been falling.

In the 2010 fiscal year, the Bush tax cuts will actually give millionaires more in tax breaks than 90 percent of Americans will earn in income"
 
Catawba said:
Tax Burden Between Wealthy And Middle Class Is Narrower Than At Any Time In Modern History

"There has been a lot of consternation recently regarding the Obama administration’s continuing commitment to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthiest American households. House Democrats are pushing to leave “well-enough alone for now” — with Rep. Mike McMahon (D-NY) even saying that those making $250,000 per year are “barely making ends meet” — while Republicans are trying to convince the President to “back off the marginal rate tax hikes.”

But today the administration’s Council of Economic Advisers released its annual Economic Report of the President, which bolsters the case for allowing the cuts to expire. For instance, the report notes that “in recent years nearly half of all income — including both wages and salaries and nonlabor income — has gone to 10 percent of families. The top 1 percent of families now receive nearly 25 percent of income, up from less than 10 percent in the 1970s.”

And at the same time that more and more income has become concentrated at the top of the scale, tax rates on the highest earners have been falling.

In the 2010 fiscal year, the Bush tax cuts will actually give millionaires more in tax breaks than 90 percent of Americans will earn in income"
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The administration? the Bush Tax cuts meant that those millionaires pay even more of the income tax than 90% of Americans pay together
 
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