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Why do Middle Eastern Terrorists attack the U.S. and its people?

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Why is it, do you believe, that Middle Eastern Terrorists attack and have attacked American targets (U.S. Buildings, buildings holding Americans abroad, Military vessels, etc)?

What is their motivations and reasons for doing so?
 
Well, contrary to what some may like to believe I don't believe that Al Qaeda is attacking the US in order to defend the rights of Muslims in the Middle East. Al Qaeda and the Taliban happily kill and oppress other Muslims routinely. I believe they target us for the same reason they called for the Jihad over the cartoon that offended them. They don't like how western culture is influencing their region because western culture (particularly in regards to women's rights) is completely diametric to everything they stand for. The reason they attack the US specifically is because we're the superpower, the "head of the snake" as Bin Laden called us.

If you were a suicide bomber and you had a choice between destroying a skyscraper in the heart of New York City or some building in Portugal which do you think would receive more attention globally?


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Probably for several reasons, one being that we are perceived as the great Satan and whore of Babylon according to their religious beliefs, or that seems to be the case, based on what I've read. When I take a look around me, at our culture, it's pretty easy for me to see why they might think so.
 
When I take a look around me, at our culture, it's pretty easy for me to see why they might think so.
Can you expound on how American culture equates us to the "great Satan" and how the Taliban or Al Qaeda have any case to be offended considering the societies they would create if they had their way?


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I think they target America because we represent everything they stand against. We are for religious freedom and democracy (they are for no religious freedom and a theocracy), America supports Israel and they want to destroy Israel. America is currently fighting against terrorism and they are terrorists. And they have religious reasons for wanting to destroy America and the west.
 
It's complex, often involving both political and ideological reasoning.

I know that some of them see the west and particularly the US as a threat to their sovereignty and way of life. They have some degree of historical basis for this view, as the US has involved itself in ME policy for quite some time to try and gain economic advantage and access to resources.

There are also some that do it for purely religious reasons, punishing heathens and infidels etc.

I'm sure our diplomatic relationship with Israel is also a factor for many of them as well.

I don't think it can be traced to any single "why", myself.
 
There are as many reasons as there are terrorists. Bin Laden was fairly explicit in his 1996 fatwa, bringing up what he percieved to be the US occupation of the holy land, unjust killing of muslims, secularization, support of Israel, etc. In Iraq I'm sure that a fair number of people took up arms in response to the violence and devastation that followed the war with Saddam. Others are likely influenced by a radical local community or fall prey to redical religious leaders. Still others, such as the Times Square bomber, appear to be reacting to a perception of western society attacking Islam in a variety of ways, with the US as the biggest and most prominent target. There are historical reasons as well, as Tucker pointed out. Every one of them has different reasons, and for almost all it's likely a combination of many factors
 
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Why is it, do you believe, that Middle Eastern Terrorists attack and have attacked American targets (U.S. Buildings, buildings holding Americans abroad, Military vessels, etc)?

What is their motivations and reasons for doing so?

I think their anger against the west is part historical part propaganda.

There has been a long history of the west in general (western Europe and America) intervening in the middle east. We have often taken over, dived up oil between us, etc. Because of the long history of intervention by the West in the affairs of the Middle East, there is an overall negative attitude against the West. In particular, the United States which is often seen as the "leader" of the West.

That overall negative attitude is exploited by groups of people who have become militant against the United States and the West in general. The propaganda is used then to fuel recruitment for anti-West activities, the more extreme of which revolve around terrorism.
 
Read my signature quoted from Osama bin Laden.
 
Can you expound on how American culture equates us to the "great Satan" and how the Taliban or Al Qaeda have any case to be offended considering the societies they would create if they had their way?


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Well, since we historically have a pretty good track record of allowing freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and freedom of expression, we tend to have more of a decadent image, and since we are considered the financial giant in the world, this probably equates us with greed in the eyes of those who see us as such. I'm not saying that I believe this, but I do understand how we could be perceived as such by people who have a fairly rigid code of religious beliefs. Whether or not they "have a case to be offended" isn't really the issue. They seem to believe they do, and they appear to want to act on it.
 
''What is their motivations and reasons for doing so? ''

I'd say they are isolated and poor, with no prospects, and when fed with certain propaganda they fully believe it is the US who are depriving them of what the world would otherwise offer them.
 
Same reason as any other terrorist: A combination of anger and insanity aimed at some perceived oppressor or enemy.
 
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Why is it, do you believe, that Middle Eastern Terrorists attack and have attacked American targets (U.S. Buildings, buildings holding Americans abroad, Military vessels, etc)?

What is their motivations and reasons for doing so?


I think for the point of this discussion it is necessary to separate the al-Qa'ida affiliated groups (Taliban, organizations in FATA, al-Qa'ida itself) from non-al-Qa'ida affiliated groups (certain al-Jihads, Hizb'allah, HAMAS, PKK, Muslim Brotherhood, FLN in Algeria).

The non-al-Qa'ida affiliated groups (Non-A'Q) do not believe in attacking the United States. Their brand of terrorism is to destroy the imminent threat. Non-A'Q wants to destroy the local kaffirs, like Israel and current government. al-Qa'ida affiliated groups (A'Q) differ because they want to attack the "far enemy" like the United States and Russia, and Europe directly. A'Q believes it is necessary to kill the hand that feeds the local kaffirs before dealing with the problem within the Muslim world.

Here is a quote from Hasan Nasrallah the leader of Hizb'allah in a 2006 interview.
"What do the people who worked in those two [World Trade Center] towers, along with thousands of employees, women and men, have to do with war that is taking place in the Middle East? Or the war that Mr. George Bush may wage on people in the Islamic world?" he asked me. "Therefore we condemned this act -- and any similar act we condemn."
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We must remember that A'Q were chased from the Arabian peninsula because even the non-A'Q terrorists believed that directly attacking the United States does not help their cause. We see clashes from time-to-time between non-A'Q and A'Q operatives.

Reasons for why A'Q and non-A'Q organizations attack United States targets even overseas really depends on the circumstance. You have incidental terrorists who attack Marines in Afghanistan because a stray Apache shell killed a civilian. Before the Iraqi Awakening and before the Surge, most of the resistance in Iraq were incidental combatants. There are some reports of Iraqi tribesmen attacking US because they had nothing better to do, or they got caught up in a frenzy.

Also, in the Iraq war we saw a civil war of sorts mainly between non-A'Q and A'Q specifically Jesh al-Mehdi, al-Sadr, Shi'a insurgents, versus, al-Qa'ida, and former Baathists. Most terrorist attacks in Iraq, and indeed in the Middle East, are directed against fellow Muslims.

With very few instances we see terrorists attacks (excluding I.E.Ds and insurgencies) to be the working of A'Q. If a Marine convoy rolled into south Lebanon, then sure Hizb'allah would attack it. If a Marine convoy mixed with Israeli soldiers, then they would be targeted. There is no doubt about it.
As Hasan stated following the previous quote, from the same source:
"I said nothing about the Pentagon, meaning we remain silent. We neither favored nor opposed that act," he replied. "Well, of course, the method of Osama bin Laden, and the fashion of bin Laden, we do not endorse them. And many of the operations that they have carried out, we condemned them very clearly."

Hiz'ballah's beef is with Israel. The Pentagon in Hizb'allah's paradigm is a protector of Israel, therefor they did not condone the fashion it was carried, but the end goal they saw benefit for their goal.

I doubt we will ever see Hiz'ballah radicals, and other non-A'Q groups launching assaults against the United States in the United States. They do not operative in such a motive.

A'Q, to finally get to answering the question, gained major props amongst radical Muslims when they "defeated" the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. A'Q does not logistically attack targets. They didn't aim for telecommunication head quarters, nor did they aim Fort Bragg. In 9/11 A'Q aimed for symbolism. They wanted to destroy the icons of American wealth (WTC), of American power (Pentagon), and expectedly of American government (White House). Usama Bin Laden had an entire theory that the fall of the American Empire would be overextension and the price paid both in blood and in currency in Afghanistan.
 
Well, I just learned a whole lot I never knew. Thank you Arch Enemy.
 
While propaganda and fervor undoubtedly play a role, you cannot neglect the reactionary element. Why is the U.S. the target rather than France or Germany? Why is Russia left alone by any group other than Chechens?

Ultimately it is because of the U.S. role in the world that we are a target. The Persian Gulf War wouldn't have happened without us, the same for countless other wars in the Muslim World. The U.S. is the mastermind and as such is singled out for attacks.
 
A'Q, to finally get to answering the question, gained major props amongst radical Muslims when they "defeated" the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. A'Q does not logistically attack targets. They didn't aim for telecommunication head quarters, nor did they aim Fort Bragg. In 9/11 A'Q aimed for symbolism. They wanted to destroy the icons of American wealth (WTC), of American power (Pentagon), and expectedly of American government (White House). Usama Bin Laden had an entire theory that the fall of the American Empire would be overextension and the price paid both in blood and in currency in Afghanistan.

The US secures the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The US does this through economic means to include aid payments and commerce, and does so through diplomatic means with high level interaction through the embassy, and does so in KSA through military means having stationed many troops there after Gulf War I.

All senior leaders of Al'Qaeda are from those two countries. Al'Qaeda wants to establish a caliphate by overthrowing the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. It can only do that after removing the protection of the US. Al'Qaeda alone cannot do this. It must draw to it's flag many soldiers.

It has been observed since Beirut that the US leaves when attacked. Beirut, Iran, Somalia all demonstrate this. The US does not have the stomach for war.

So the strategy is draw the US into a ME war that we subsequently leave the ME when attacked, exposing the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Al'Qaeda starts attacking the US in isolated incidents to draw us into a war. Khobar Towers, African Embassies, USS Cole, WTC. The WTC is the key. Afghanistan is not sufficient for Al'Qaeda's purposes or our purposes - they are hiding in the mountains and we cannot get to them.

We decide to invade Iraq and hand to Al'Qaeda their objective. In betting, we raised.

Al'Qaeda recruits and grows and attacks us violently. They end up starting a civil war.

We do NOT leave. This is entirely due to Bush's obstinacy.

The Iraqis turn on Al'Qaeda.

Now the battle is between Al'Qaeda and Iraq, with some continued assistance by the US.

The chances for Al'Qaeda look slim, but still possible. Depends how stable Iraq's government is and the reconciliation and power sharing with Sunnis turns out.
 
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The US secures the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The US does this through economic means to include aid payments and commerce, and does so through diplomatic means with high level interaction through the embassy, and does so in KSA through military means having stationed many troops there after Gulf War I.

To draw into the discussion the point I made in my post about the Soviet Union loss in Afghanistan to be give street-credibility to al-Qa'ida, Usama Bin Laden did not see Saudi Arabia as a threat to his ambitions until the Saudis selected the United States over the mujahadeen to protect Arabia.

For all intensive purposes, I believe this was one of the biggest let downs for Bin Laden. He had already accepted his title as a holy warrior, and here his own hometown would enlist pale heathens to protect the land of the prophet.
So the strategy is draw the US into a ME war that we subsequently leave the ME when attacked, exposing the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Bin Laden expected the United States "paper tiger" to collapse when it invaded Afghanistan. I suppose it would be accurate to say that had the reemergence of al-Qa'ida and affiliates after the Russo-Afghan war been successful in the Middle East then it would have been a strategy to draw the US into the ME.

He was chased from Saudi Arabia and he tried to pull the US into Somalia.
He fled Somalia and then he pulled the US into Afghanistan. He realized that you weren't going to pull the US anywhere unless you attacked it at home.
 
It's a war that's been going on for thousands of years. The Persians tried to invade Greece. Alexander conquered Persia. The Sassanids got most of that land back. They had many wars with the Romans. Then the Arabs conquered a lot of the West. Then you have the Crusades. The Ottoman Empire kept some stability in the region for a while. The Ottomans fell during WWI. We've been intervening in the area for many years now.

So for the proximate cause, why have we been intervening in the Middle East for so long? But why has the Middle East been fighting the West for so long? Well, why did Paris abduct Helen?

The Middle East fighting the West is nothing new. Why is there so much tension? That's a tough question.
 
The answer to this question is simple. They attack us because they are evil son of a bitches bent on world domination by Islam.
 
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Why is it, do you believe, that Middle Eastern Terrorists attack and have attacked American targets (U.S. Buildings, buildings holding Americans abroad, Military vessels, etc)?

What is their motivations and reasons for doing so?

Three words: American foreign policy.
 
Three words: American foreign policy.

Orion it is not that simple. If it were American foreign policy then it should be Latin Americans who are biting at the bit to assault the United States.
 
Three words: American foreign policy.

I think that is part of it, but I think there are other factors too. Like cultural or historic like Phattonez. It just seems to be a very unstable area too which leads to a lot of problems, some of which is directed towards the U.S. I think this question will not ever have one real satisfactory answer because it seems to be so complex and various different elements to it.
 
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Orion it is not that simple. If it were American foreign policy then it should be Latin Americans who are biting at the bit to assault the United States.

How American foreign policy manifests in each region is different.
 
Three words: American foreign policy.

of course, blame America.

You blame American foreign policy, I blame Islam and those who choose to interpret the Quran literally and act on such interpretations.
 
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