Why did we win?

[Perotista]

?? I guess Colin Powell was never a "military man" , eh? Or did I miss it when they sent him to Leavenworth?

Colin Powell told Clinton he bypassed official servers to email foreign leaders

Former secretary emailed ‘without going through State Department’ and old email exchange shows Republican dismissed some security restrictions

www.theguardian.com

Colin Powell had an AOL account never used for classified traffic. Big difference between classified and unclassified in case you didn't know. All classified traffic was sent to his state department and or DOD email where proper cryptographic equipment secured it. Unlike Hillary who received up to and above TS on her unclassified server. You didn't miss it, but you never understood the difference between classified and unclassified..Apparently Hillary never did either. Hillary had no cryptographic equipment to secure him home server.

 

[Rhakron90]

Lmao, yes, we know, the "radicals" are the majority that didnt vote for your preferred party in "radical" places like Arizona and Missouri.

No, "radicals," as in "radicals."

i.e. "Bernie Bros," open Socialists, ANTIFA supporters, and the like.

You will find no shortage of either in the more Leftist areas of cities like NYC or Minneapolis.

Lmao. So goofy.

Are you under the impression this accomplishes anything other than making you look like an idiot?

 

[Hatuey]

No, "radicals," as in "radicals."

i.e. "Bernie Bros," open Socialists, ANTIFA supporters, and the like.

You will find no shortage of either in the more Leftist areas of cities like NYC or Minneapolis.

Are you under the impression this accomplishes anything other than making you look like an idiot?

I dont do split quoting. It is 2000s and goofy.

I have asked you - show me where the "far left" wingers are losing, and you couldnt.

What can we extract from this? Well, the simple fact that Democrat voters, do not care for corporate lukewarm democrats, while "far left" democrats, are voted in - over and over again where the majority of the country lives.

 

[Rhakron90]

I dont do split quoting. It is 2000s.

Another idiotic comment.

I have asked you - show me where the "far left" wingers are losing, and you couldnt.

Republicans held the Senate, picked up seats in the House, and picked up a couple of Governor's seats.

The Far Left also lost hard in California (of all freaking places), with nearly every one of their more radical propositions being rejected.

California voters have decided on all 12 state propositions; here’s what passed and failed

 

[Hatuey]

Another idiotic comment.
Republicans held the Senate, picked up seats in the House, and picked up a couple of Governor's seats
The Far Left also lost hard in California (of all freaking places), with nearly every one of their more radical propositions being rejected.

California voters have decided on all 12 state propositions; here’s what passed and failed

Oh man, nobody tell this guy that California was called for Joe Biden 30 seconds after their polls closed, and all branches of local government are occupied by Democrats.

Lol, he might decide to say something relevant.

 

[Geoist]

The actual reality of the situation, is that Left Wing economics, more often than not, kill jobs and prosperity in the heartland. That economic destruction is only going to ramp up if we get back on the Paris Accords, or (God forbid) go "all in" on something like the Green New Deal.

This is mostly B.S., particularly if you think the GOP's economics has helped the working class. The reality is both parties have done tremendous harm to blue collar workers. The DNC has in recent decades abandoned the workers in favor of the same corporate donors the GOP already courts. The GOP has excused the shipping out of jobs in the name of capitalism while Dems have been lukewarm, at best, on the issue.

With that said, there needs to be a transition away from fossil fuels to cleaner forms of energy, whether you like it or not. Climate change is a very real problem and we can't just ignore it. When we start making a more committed transition there needs to be 100% government funding to train those workers to work with solar, wind, hydro, etc.

I'm sorry, but most people don't find the prospect on being put "on the dole," in lieu of actually working for a living, to be all that enticing. Expanded welfare entitlements are only really attractive to people who never had anything to begin with, and never thought they would... Not those who have lost everything.

Minimum/living wages are not welfare.

 

[Geoist]

Ask me that question after you have been assaulted or your property has been vandalized because you have a different opinion.

Do you only have opinions on issues when you've been directly impacted? Actually, that sounds like the conservative-mindset: "How does it affect MEEE???" No wonder you guys voted for a reality-tv narcissist.

 

[Hatuey]

This is mostly B.S., particularly if you think the GOP's economics has helped the working class. The reality is both parties have done tremendous harm to blue collar workers. The DNC has in recent decades abandoned the workers in favor of the same corporate donors the GOP already courts. The GOP has excused the shipping out of jobs in the name of capitalism while Dems have been lukewarm, at best, on the issue.

With that said, there needs to be a transition away from fossil fuels to cleaner forms of energy, whether you like it or not. Climate change is a very real problem and we can't just ignore it. When we start making a more committed transition there needs to be 100% government funding to train those workers to work with solar, wind, hydro, etc.





Minimum/living wages are not welfare.

Shhhh, the argument here is that when corporate democrats lose, the far left is to blame, and when they win, then it is because voters want to be welfare queens.

The idea isnt to remain consistent, but to ensure the left never gets the satisfaction of thinking it has won.

 

[bearpoker]

With totally mix results this election, perhaps that is what the majority of folks want. At least those who aren't a Democrat nor a Republican. If it hadn't been for the first use of the nuclear option by ex-senate majority leader Harry Reid, I probably would have voted straight Democrat. With the filibuster it required 60 votes for cloture in the senate, with the nuclear option, it just require a simple majority. Reid and the Democrats stripped the minority party of its rights.

Now there isn't any sure way to guarantee any check on the party in power who holds the presidency, the senate and the house. They have absolute power. That I will always fight against. Isn't it ironic that the party who supposedly push minority rights was the party to abolish minority rights in the senate. I'm probably the only one around to see the irony there. But what that proves is when one has the power, absolute power, one can do anything one wants.

Part of the coalition that elected Biden were Republican voters who didn't like Trump. They split their tickets. The R next to a candidates still holds more influence than the Democrats thought.

 

[grip]

Having literal Marxist/Anarchist jackboots rampaging across large swaths of major American cities for six months on end tends to have that effect.

And the left sees the rightwing as all armed, redneck, white nationalists. When I see a poster's name here I don't regard them as leaning 'left' or 'right' but rather extreme or reasonable. And it's amazing how small the reasonable group appears to be becoming.

 

[Deuce]

Avoid it as soon as possible and start engaging them WITHOUT INSULTS in the policies you want to see enacted and why. Distraction to real dialogue is the way to extinguish this fire.

You think if I'm nicer these people are going to stop believing in this ridiculous conspiracy? You think they're going to talk seriously about policy changes from an administration they believe is illegitimate?

You think I can talk about ideological differences in an honest fashion with people who think Joe Biden is a communist?

No. Stop this gaslighting bullshit, nobody is buying it. I'm not the ****ing problem here.

I'm supposed to pretend supporters of Donald Trump aren't a continuous string of insults and hate?

 

[eohrnberger]

I did not imply Trump is a reporter, I responded to a post that said Trump was attacked by the media, hence my response that reporting on what he does and says is news.

OK.

If we aren't supposed to hear about his tweets, why would he bother tweeting? Reporting on his tweets is not propaganda, it is covering the activities of the president, and you can bet if Biden spends his days tweeting and golfing that same press will take him to task.

True, reporting on the president's Tweets might be news. The constant attacks from the media most certainly aren't.
The constant fragment quoting, out of context quoting, distortions certainly qualify as political propaganda, or at least yellow journalism, neither of the latter two being of any particular good to the nation nor its citizens.

Judging from how the press has handled Biden / Harris so far, the press had better get a large supply of drool cups.
So far the so called 'questions' posed to Biden have been little more than softball prompting for him to repeat his campaign talking points; nothing challenging, nothing probing, essentially nothing questions.

But then we've seen this divergent attitude of the press to different presidents, haven't we? Attack, smear, distort, fabricate, misquote for some presidents, and drool cups and softballs for others.

 

[trouble13]

Do you only have opinions on issues when you've been directly impacted? Actually, that sounds like the conservative-mindset: "How does it affect MEEE???" No wonder you guys voted for a reality-tv narcissist.

When the consequences of your choices have a negative impact on your life do not turn to me for help or sympathy unless you enjoy being treated with the same glib indifference that progressives are so fond of displaying toward others.

 

[Rhakron90]

Oh man, nobody tell this guy that California was called for Joe Biden 30 seconds after their polls closed, and all branches of local government are occupied by Democrats.

Lol, he might decide to say something relevant.

And yet... The California electorate still overwhelmingly rejected any and all specifically Far Left policy proposals on the docket.

Interesting, no? Its almost like Democrat partisan affiliation doesn't necessarily directly correlate to support for extreme Left Wing ideological positions.

This is mostly B.S., particularly if you think the GOP's economics has helped the working class.

Trump's economic policies objectively did help the working class, as well as the lower rungs of the middle class.

Real wages managed to exceed pre-2008 recession levels for the first time in ten years under Trump, unemployment hit record lows (especially for minorities), and basically every key indicator relating to prosperity in general went up, across the board.

Trump essentially did what he said he was going to do, as far as looking out for the interests of working class Americans are concerned. If Biden does even half of the things he claims to want to do, most of that will be undone.

The reality is both parties have done tremendous harm to blue collar workers. The DNC has in recent decades abandoned the workers in favor of the same corporate donors the GOP already courts. The GOP has excused the shipping out of jobs in the name of capitalism while Dems have been lukewarm, at best, on the issue.

The DNC is effectively just a slightly less ideologically extreme version of the UK's Labor Party.

Again, they're the party of urban, educated, elites, and the giant horde of minority "welfare proles" those elites lead around by the nose. They are the party of "globalism," both economically, and culturally; "Neo-Liberal" with regards trade, vaguely Socialist-leaning with regards to domestic policy, and staunchly "Neo-Marxist" with regards to Social issues.

Quite frankly, that "urban, educated, elite" feels little qualms with leaving the rest of the country to rot, because they identify less and less with the rest of the country with each passing year. The "deep blue cities" aren't really even "American" anymore at heart. They're basically hubs of the "post-national" economy, and the elite Left Wing mono-culture surrounding it.

The average "Culturally Left" upper middle class person living in NYC or LA has more in common with a similarly wealth person living in London, or Brussels, than they do anyone in the American heartland. They act accordingly.

With that said, there needs to be a transition away from fossil fuels to cleaner forms of energy, whether you like it or not. Climate change is a very real problem and we can't just ignore it. When we start making a more committed transition there needs to be 100% government funding to train those workers to work with solar, wind, hydro, etc.

Annnnndddd.... That's how you wind up with Yellow Vests.

Minimum/living wages are not welfare.

Minimum wages accomplish nothing other than increased unemployment and costs of living.

Quite frankly, if you're on minimum wage to begin with, and you're older than 18 or so, you're doing something very wrong.

 

[bearpoker]

Where are the major progressive lightning rods that didnt get elected in 2020?

AOC? Tlaib? Omar? Bernie? Warren?

Every figure that Democrats claim they lose because of was reelected.

Where exactly is it that "centrist" (i.e. corporate) Democrats are winning?

Candidates in overwhelmingly blue districts will re-elect a glass of water labeled with a D. Pelosi said that and she was right. Sadly, there aren't enough such districts to give Democrats control of the house. The swing districts are more evenly split and the constituents on either side are more centrist. That's what makes them swing. The argument is that rhetoric form the progressive wing turned off enough voters in the swing districts that the Democrats lost several house seats.

 

[Hatuey]

And yet... The California electorate still overwhelmingly rejected any and all specifically Far Left policy proposals on the docket.

Interesting, no? Its almost like Democrat partisan affiliation doesn't necessarily directly correlate to support for extreme Left Wing ideological positions.

Trump's economic policies objectively did help the working class, as well as the lower rungs of the middle class.

Real wages managed to exceed pre-2008 recession levels for the first time in ten years under Trump, unemployment hit record lows (especially for minorities), and basically every key indicator relating to prosperity in general went up, across the board.

Trump essentially did what he said he was going to do, as far as looking out for the interests of working class Americans are concerned. If Biden does even half of the things he claims to want to do, most of that will be undone.

Okay, do you understand that none of this proves far left democrats are to blame for corporate centrist democrats losing?

Lmao, Trump took care of the "working class" so well, all it took was a "flu like virus" to completely crush the economy, and make the 1% a lot richer.

My goodness your political delusions are strong.

 

[bearpoker]

Avoid it as soon as possible and start engaging them WITHOUT INSULTS in the policies you want to see enacted and why. Distraction to real dialogue is the way to extinguish this fire.

We tried that during the Obama years. Obama was always courteous. It didn't work. We got Trump.

 

[Deuce]

When the consequences of your choices have a negative impact on your life do not turn to me for help or sympathy unless you enjoy being treated with the same glib indifference that progressives are so fond of displaying toward others.

Conservatives have literally set liberals' property on fire over a difference of opinion and you didn't care, did you?

 

[bearpoker]

He gambled on putting the well being of the economy first, and it didn't work. He's a billionnairre businessman, right? Of course he's going to put the economy first. People kinda liked his economy until Covid came steamrolling over his plans.

False dichotomy. The economy and COVID are intertwined.

 

[Rhakron90]

Lmao, Trump took care of the working class so well, all it took was a "flu like virus" to completely crush the economy.

Ummm... Yes. Having the government forcibly restrict something like 90% of all economic activity in many of the country's most active economic centers for months on end will tend to have that affect.

On the flip side of that, however, Trump's low tax and regulation economy looks like it will experience the strongest economic recovery in American history once those lockdowns end (assuming Biden doesn't kill it).

 

[trouble13]

Conservatives have literally set liberals' property on fire over a difference of opinion and you didn't care, did you?

Why should I care?

 

[Grand Mal]

Your source is Vanity Fair???? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!! What bullshit!

Well, you use a quote from a coke-addled actress for a sig line so who are you to scoff at the magazine that publishes Christopher Hitchens?

 

[Deuce]

Why should I care?

Because you're criticizing liberals for not caring about exactly the same thing?

 

[trouble13]

Because you're criticizing liberals for not caring about exactly the same thing?

I have no problem with liberals. Progressives are the cancer not liberals, there is a difference. There is a very big difference between what I said and what progressives are. They encourage violence against people they disagree with. I do not do that. I just don't condemn violence when progressives find themselves on the receiving end of something they encourage. They want to pretend looting, rioting, assaulting people, vandalizing private and public property, and burning things are all expressions of a peaceful protest. Why should anyone care when it happens to them?

 

[Deuce]

I have no problem with liberals. Progressives are the cancer not liberals, there is a difference. There is a very big difference between what I said and what progressives are. They encourage violence against people they disagree with. I do not do that. I just don't condemn violence when progressives find themselves on the receiving end of something they encourage. They want to pretend looting, rioting, assaulting people, vandalizing private and public property, and burning things are all expressions of a peaceful protest. Why should anyone care when it happens to them?

So, literally any Biden supporter is fair game because someone in a different time zone committed vandalism. Got it.

Thanks for proving my point.