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Why did we win?

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We won the election. Now, why did Biden win? Thoughts?
 
Logician Man said:
Condensed version: "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
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Yeah ... my poll kinda flopped cuz I clicked to post it before I had actually entered the poll choices. But I absolutely agree with your sentiment.
 
skeptic llc said:
We won the election. Now, why did Biden win? Thoughts?
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I'll give you the simple answer that every Trump-hater can grasp:
Biden is not Trump and Trump stumbled dealing with COVID.

That's it. Plain and simple.
If there was no COVID, Biden would be relaxing at home writing his memoirs.
And Kamala would still be trying to figure out how to become governor of California.
 
Deuce said:
We're never going to move forward as a nation when a third of our population believes this kinda nonsense. It's impossible for a country to flourish dragging that much dead weight.

We're never again going to be what we were.
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And you wrote that all because of Trump ?

Or, are you plainly sick of Progressive policies, BLM malarkey, riots in Democratic-run cities; homeless garbage, and D.C. elitists?
 
jaypatriot said:
I'll give you the simple answer that every Trump-hater can grasp:
Biden is not Trump and Trump stumbled dealing with COVID.

That's it. Plain and simple.
If there was no COVID, Biden would be relaxing at home writing his memoirs.
And Kamala would still be trying to figure out how to become governor of California.
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We've been saying all year now that we would vote for a bowl of oatmeal over trump. I can only assume from the tone of your post that you thought this was just a figure of speech.

If there was no COVID,
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Sadly for trump, handling crises is one of the roles of a head of state. Trump abdicated that role, so here we are.
 
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skeptic llc said:
We won the election. Now, why did Biden win? Thoughts?
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Because of Donald Trump and his incredibly poor handling of the COVID-19 Pandemic that lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and the cratering of a steadily-humming home economy. All else being equal, were it not for COVID-19, Donald Trump almost certainly would have won reelection.
 
I don't disagree with those above who've said Trump would have had a much greater chance of re-election if he hadn't been tested by COVID and found wanting. But it's perplexing in that this implies a fair number of Americans couldn't tell that Trump would fail (catastrophically, even) any major leadership test until they had witnessed it.
 
......because he was running against Trump. Covid was the last straw.
 
skeptic llc said:
We won the election. Now, why did Biden win? Thoughts?
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It was a referendum on the Trump administration. America took the highly unusual step of voting out an incumbent during a time of uncertainty and national crisis. This speaks volumes about Americans' collective disapproval of the incumbent's handling of said crisis.
 
skeptic llc said:
We won the election. Now, why did Biden win? Thoughts?
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Because Trump and his cult proved for four years that they are so socioeconomically offensive and dangerous, so damaging to foreign policy and international relations, and so maliciously treasonous that even a mentally-handicapped and blind cabbage would have won.

It also helps that Biden actually ran on agendas, plans, and projects to fix some of the mess rather than leading the drones into self-deluded chants like "lock her up" or "build a wall."

I'm pretty sure I've been telling people for a couple years now that the writing was on the wall. And this was well before the year 2020 proved that Trump can't lead a diarrhea patient to a toilet. You know, because it's a matter of "liberty" to tell him to just shit all over the place.
 
Callen said:
......because he was running against Trump. Covid was the last straw.
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Welcome to the Forum.

Someone (Carville perhaps) once said: “It’s the economy stupid.” With the destruction of the economy and no end in clear sight this cycle it became all about Covid. It’s the message Biden ran on and appears successfully. It was a gift to his campaign (never let a crisis go to waste). Absent it Joe would never had won, imo.
news.gallup.com

Americans Less Amenable to Another COVID-19 Lockdown

Americans are less likely today than they were in late March/early April to say they would be very likely stay home for a month if public health officials recommended it due to a serious outbreak of coronavirus in their community.
news.gallup.com news.gallup.com

Enjoy your time here.
 
Cardinal said:
We've been saying all year now that we would vote for a bowl of oatmeal over trump. I can only assume from the tone of your post that you thought this was just a figure of speech.



Sadly for trump, handling crises is one of the roles of a head of state. Trump abdicated that role, so here we are.
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I like oatmeal - especially with raisin and blueberries. But not enough to vote for Biden who is not strong enough to resist all of the Progressive forces already in his party.

My figure of speech was, "Dems are foolish enough to vote for a ham sandwich instead of Trump".
 
Greenbeard said:
I don't disagree with those above who've said Trump would have had a much greater chance of re-election if he hadn't been tested by COVID and found wanting. But it's perplexing in that this implies a fair number of Americans couldn't tell that Trump would fail (catastrophically, even) any major leadership test until they had witnessed it.
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I absolutely agree.

But we are talking about a people who are pretty ignorant of economy and foreign policy. Welcome to American history, where politicians know the voters are largely clueless and take advantage. Even the Founding Fathers recorded their sentiments about this in their diaries. Jefferson, Adams, and others all agreed that leadership needed to be among the educated elite, so that they could manage the nation and guide the more ignorant to enlightenment.

Today, Americans argue that tomato paste is a vegetable and that no evidence validates irrational conspiracy theories. Americans largely vote for political jerseys and pretend that they have a clue about what the jersey is doing.
 
skeptic llc said:
We won the election. Now, why did Biden win? Thoughts?
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I no longer consider that to be the right question, the real issue is why did the "blue wave" really just fade into nothing. Dems lost a few seats in the House, Senate is undetermined but not looking good for Dems to control, did not flip a single state government their way.

The bigger issue here for Dems is why so many out there look at the party and decided that Trump enabling Republicans are still a better answer.

If this is the best Democrats can do, 2022 should be a real concern for the party.

Perhaps "democratic socialism" and "defund the police" was not such a wise path to take. Nor was it well received to have the far left call silence as violence, but the riots not so much.
 
jaypatriot said:
I like oatmeal - especially with raisin and blueberries. But not enough to vote for Biden who is not strong enough to resist all of the Progressive forces already in his party.

My figure of speech was, "Dems are foolish enough to vote for a ham sandwich instead of Trump".
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All that tells me is you've never had a good ham sandwich.
 
Greenbeard said:
I don't disagree with those above who've said Trump would have had a much greater chance of re-election if he hadn't been tested by COVID and found wanting. But it's perplexing in that this implies a fair number of Americans couldn't tell that Trump would fail (catastrophically, even) any major leadership test until they had witnessed it.
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You would have to itemize and document what you consider to be a failed leadership test, and then explain how those failures would have hurt the country economically, socially, and militarily.
Because, up until March 2020, the country was doing real well with everyone working who wanted a job and people saving and spending money to keep the economy humming.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I no longer consider that to be the right question, the real issue is why did the "blue wave" really just fade into nothing. Dems lost a few seats in the House, Senate is undetermined but not looking good for Dems to control, did not flip a single state government their way.

The bigger issue here for Dems is why so many out there look at the party and decided that Trump enabling Republicans are still a better answer.

If this is the best Democrats can do, 2022 should be a real concern for the party.

Perhaps "democratic socialism" and "defund the police" was not such a wise path to take. Nor was it well received to have the far left call silence as violence, but the riots not so much.
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Yep, that rhetoric was probably unhelpful. Unfortunately, with the state of polling today it's hard to make that determination with real certainty.
 
People are going to say that donald would've won without the pandemic. Maybe yes, maybe no, but we'll never really know. I personally think that he probably would have.

Joe received over 5M more votes. That's the answer to the OP question.
 
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