Who is Top Contributor to Civilization?

[AmNat]

And I wanted to object to you calling the indigenous Mexicans brutal savages because Adam and Eve were brutal savages when they were in the Garden of Eden. They didn't even know the difference between good and evil and that's how they were meant to be by God. That's how God intended them to stay. Civilization happened because people defied God's intention.

Same energy

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I’m not accepting your grafting of Rousseau into the book of Genesis. You are inferring meaning not stated. It is an account of the creation of man.

By the way, which "Christian" version of "Creation" (I believe that there are six different ones in "The Bible") is the one and only true literal description of "Creation"?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The Mayans were never the apex of human civilization. They were primitive and their accomplishments would not have even ranked with the Sumerians.

And as an aside there is no “BCE” this is a form of cultural theft by stealing the Christian calendar and relabeling it for the false secular religion. It’s “BC”

Thank you from British Columbia.

BTW, you do know that "the Christian Calendar" is wrong since it has both the year and date of Yeshua bar Yosef bin Nazaret incorrect - don't you?

PS - When are we going to get rid of those "unChristian" and heretical names for the days of the week, I mean we have a day named after the SUN (not SON), the MOON, the number TWO, the pagan "god" WODEN, the pagan "god" THOR", the pagan goddess "FRIGGA", and the pagan god "SATURN".

And those heathen months that are named after pagan gods and murderous pagan emperors - those have to go too, don't they?

Is it any coincidence that there are twelve months and that there were twelve disciples?

Doesn't that prove that God wants the months to be named after the disciples (and, naturally, anyone who objects "put to the sword" for heresy)?

 

[Grand Mal]

Same energy

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Bullshit.
I don't know what you think you know about my beliefs but you are certainly wrong.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Ah yes, this thread is definitely a racists playground.

 

[ecofarm]

Sid Meier.

Triumph studio's 'AoW: Planetfall' is pretty great too. I'm counting it as a "Civilization".

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Bullshit.
I don't know what you think you know about my beliefs but you are certainly wrong.

Oh sure, this is the standard left wing nonsense. “How dare you assume my beliefs” (while never actually explaining what they are, and only acting with outrage when they are inferred through the clues you give)

 

[Grand Mal]

Oh sure, this is the standard left wing nonsense. “How dare you assume my beliefs” (while never actually explaining what they are, and only acting with outrage when they are inferred through the clues you give)

I believe much of the Bible and would probably consider myself a Christian except I don't believe in the concept of original sin. No guilt for original sin, no need for redemption. Without the need for redemption Christ the Redeemer becomes unnecessary. Therefore I couldn't belong to a Christian church.
Doesn't change my belief in the value of much Biblical teaching. The story of the Garden of Eden, for example. It's a very valuable teaching. If you thought I've been denigrating it you're 180° wrong. I've been presenting it as educational, word-for-word. I have more respect for the value of the story than some Christian who believes a vengeful God evicted mankind for eating an apple.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Thank you from British Columbia.

BTW, you do know that "the Christian Calendar" is wrong since it has both the year and date of Yeshua bar Yosef bin Nazaret incorrect - don't you?

I’m sure you thought this was very clever, but it’s kind of not.

PS - When are we going to get rid of those "unChristian" and heretical names for the days of the week, I mean we have a day named after the SUN (not SON), the MOON, the number TWO, the pagan "god" WODEN, the pagan "god" THOR", the pagan goddess "FRIGGA", and the pagan god "SATURN".

And those heathen months that are named after pagan gods and murderous pagan emperors - those have to go too, don't they?

Is it any coincidence that there are twelve months and that there were twelve disciples?

Doesn't that prove that God wants the months to be named after the disciples (and, naturally, anyone who objects "put to the sword" for heresy)?

No, the names of the days can be held, from tradition. But the Gregorian calendar is specifically made to calculate the correct time of Easter.

While this is a variation of the Julian Calendar, the year system is predicated on Jesus Christ.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I believe much of the Bible and would probably consider myself a Christian except I don't believe in the concept of original sin. No guilt for original sin, no need for redemption. Without the need for redemption Christ the Redeemer becomes unnecessary. Therefore I couldn't belong to a Christian church.
Doesn't change my belief in the value of much Biblical teaching. The story of the Garden of Eden, for example. It's a very valuable teaching. If you thought I've been denigrating it you're 180° wrong. I've been presenting it as educational, word-for-word. I have more respect for the value of the story than some Christian who believes a vengeful God evicted mankind for eating an apple.

So you’re not a Christian, nor evidently a Jew, and you are admonishing people who actually practice the faith for not holding the same view on on Genesis

 

[EMNofSeattle]

If jazz, rock, and hip hop or rap were created by white people, you'd sing their praises.

No, I wouldn’t. Jazz I actually like, but I think rock and hip hop are bad for society. Pop culture broadly has been, it destroyed the traditional distinction between elite and folk cultures.

 

[Grand Mal]

I’m sure you thought this was very clever, but it’s kind of not.


No, the names of the days can be held, from tradition. But the Gregorian calendar is specifically made to calculate the correct time of Easter.

While this is a variation of the Julian Calendar, the year system is predicated on Jesus Christ.

The correct day for Easter being depending on the phase of the moon and the Gregorian calendar being a solar calendar, I'd be interested in hearing how that works.

 

[SMTA]

"When the last century ended, humans could not even fly. In the 20th century, the human race went to the moon and began to explore the stars."
The San Francisco Chronicle

Which "Subspecies" of the Human Race is the top contributor to "Civilization" in areas such as discoveries, exploration, the arts, inventions, technology, transportation, architecture, farming, healthcare and overall quality of life?

I'm sure we all know of great accomplishments by all six but only one can be the absolute most accomplished?

For those of you not afraid of "Race" classification...

Race Definition
(1) Any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry.
(2) A group of people sharing a common cultural, geographical, linguistic, or religious origin or background.
(3) The descendants of a common ancestor : a group sharing a common lineage.
(4) A group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species.

Not Nazis.

 

[Antiwar]

The question depends on how one judges civility.

 

[Grand Mal]

So you’re not a Christian, nor evidently a Jew, and you are admonishing people who actually practice the faith for not holding the same view on on Genesis

I haven't admonished anyone about their view of Genesis. Particularily you, who have only told me I'm wrong, and will not tell me what 'right' is.
And the story of the Garden of Eden has nothing to do with Christianity.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The correct day for Easter being depending on the phase of the moon and the Gregorian calendar being a solar calendar, I'd be interested in hearing how that works.

Gregorian calendar - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There were two reasons to establish the Gregorian calendar. First, the Julian calendar assumed incorrectly that the average solar year is exactly 365.25 days long, an overestimate of a little under one day per century. The Gregorian reform shortened the average (calendar) year by 0.0075 days to stop the drift of the calendar with respect to the equinoxes.[3] Second, in the years since the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325,[Note 1] the excess leap days introduced by the Julian algorithm had caused the calendar to drift such that the (Northern) spring equinox was occurring well before its nominal 21 March date. This date was important to the Christian churches because it is fundamental to the calculation of the date of Easter.

 

[MrWonka]

I'm sure we all know of great accomplishments by all six but only one can be the absolute most accomplished?

Why do you care? You realize you're probably related to all of them at this point right?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I haven't admonished anyone about their view of Genesis. Particularily you, who have only told me I'm wrong, and will not tell me what 'right' is.
And the story of the Garden of Eden has nothing to do with Christianity.

I didn’t say you were wrong, I said I reject the the interpretation you read into it. Which seems to align with other comments you’ve made about how civilization made life worse

 

[Rexedgar]

Has the OP returned to check the turd they left here?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I’m sure you thought this was very clever, but it’s kind of not.


No, the names of the days can be held, from tradition. But the Gregorian calendar is specifically made to calculate the correct time of Easter.

While this is a variation of the Julian Calendar, the year system is predicated on Jesus Christ.

The Gregorian calendar was necessitated by the fact that the Julian calendar had gotten totally out of whack with the seasons. The fact that "Easter" (the dates for which the RCC poached from the pagan religions) and the spring planting season were getting out of whack is irrelevant.

BTW - you do know that the dates for "Christ's Mass" was poached from pagan religions (as were the "Creation Story", the "Garden of Eden Story", the "Virgin Birth Story", and the "Resurrection Story", don't you?

 

[uptower]

I’m sorry that you find the truth about the Aztecs to be disgusting. No wonder the policies of the left are so important, they’re based in a rejection of historical reality.

Dismissing any entire people as inferior or barbaric shows a complete misunderstanding of history or truth.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The Gregorian calendar was necessitated by the fact that the Julian calendar had gotten totally out of whack with the seasons. The fact that "Easter" (the dates for which the RCC poached from the pagan religions) and the spring planting season were getting out of whack is irrelevant.

BTW - you do know that the dates for "Christ's Mass" was poached from pagan religions (as were the "Creation Story", the "Garden of Eden Story", the "Virgin Birth Story", and the "Resurrection Story", don't you?

No, they were not.

 

[Grand Mal]

Gregorian calendar - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yeah, that date is fundamental to the calculation of the date of Easter because Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the equinox. That's why It's different every year, because of the moon and the sun following different cycles.
The Gregorian calendar was a slight adjustment to the length of the year in days, That's why it was devised. As a little side benefit, it made Easter slightly more consistent.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Dismissing any entire people as inferior or barbaric shows a complete misunderstanding of history or truth.

The Aztecs were barbaric compared to the Spanish. They sacrificed children to demons fo make the sun go up.

 

[uptower]

The Aztecs were barbaric compared to the Spanish. They sacrificed children to demons fo make the sun go up.

The Spanish raped sacked and pillaged their way across the continent, all in the name of their own sky genie. They tortured their own people in horrendous ways under the inquisition. What makes them any better at the time? To suggest that another civilisation is ‘lower’ because its worst practices were slightly different to our worst practices shows ignorance of both.