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Which is more dangerous : Covid or the Covid vaccines?

Which is more dangerous? Covid or the Covid vaccines?

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Although few medical experts realize it, part of the population in West Africa is immune to the Ebola virus, according to virologists who specialize in the disease....

“It’s fair to say that some people are immune,” said Robert F. Garry Jr., a Tulane University expert in hemorrhagic fevers who works in Sierra Leone. “But we don’t know if it’s 1 percent or 2 percent or 20 percent.”

Right now, there are about 1,800 survivors of the current West African outbreak, all of whom are now immune, of course. But there may be many thousands more.

Small studies of household contacts of Ebola victims show that some people are infected without ever falling ill — perhaps because of some unknown genetic advantage....

“If someone got just two or three or four virus particles, if it enters through the mucus membranes in the mouth, yes, it’s plausible,” said Thomas W. Geisbert, a hemorrhagic fever expert at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. “It would take a while for the virus to get going, and it’s a race with the clock. The immune system gets a chance to fight it off.”

One of France’s leading Ebola experts says he believes that many rural villagers are “vaccinated” by eating fruit gnawed on by bats and contaminated with their saliva.

“We imagine that this is the main route,” said Dr. Eric M. Leroy, a veterinarian and virologist at the International Center for Medical Research in Franceville, Gabon. “But it is a hypothesis. We do not have the evidence.”...
 
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Oh, don't encourage them. That's more than enough.

I had it in February '20 too. Glad to hear you recovered. Man, that was a freaking hum dinger. I got it again later and it was nothing compared to that first time.
I had it three times, all after vaccination. I was lucky: I became eligible to be one of the first people in my county to get vaccinated because I was a volunteer at my local health department giving the vaccines to people.
What a zoo it was at the civic center auditorium! People were lined up out the door before our team even arrived. The fear I saw on the faces of a lot of folks was palpable. Then they health department sent us in teams into the various neighborhoods in my county-we went to where the people were. As a result my county had the highest vaccination rate in the state of California and along with it one of the lowest mortality rates despite being a very elderly county.
All pretty cool!
 
I almost ****ing DIED first time I caught it.
It was February 2020, no clear knowledge at the hospital of what I even HAD.
No tests, no masks, no nothing. They gave me some asthma puffers and sent me home.
Blood oxygen in the low 70's for three weeks, maybe six hours of sleep in four week's time.
I COULD NOT CATCH MY BREATH.

Those were such frightening times, before there was a vaccine for Covid. 2020 was a real nightmare. It is hard to remember how horrible it was. I have not, yet, gotten Covid. I have been vaccinated about six times...as many times as I have been able to be. But during the early pandemic I took every precaution, never went out unless I had to, and still knew I could get the virus at any time. There were portable morgues on the streets in New York City! I think that's a little bit more frightening than a vaccine. Who has to bring in portable morgues when a vaccine is given?
 
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Claiming "they" want to do population control with a virus that governments immediately worked to put under control and eradicate is pretty dumb.

There is grass outside.

😄
There's no "they." There's a balance in nature, and we are testing the limits of it, with both overpopulation and environmental impact. You're making that typical hypocritical argument that liberals make. You want to think you can control every outcome through collective force without addressing the actual cause. The cause of the pandemic was manmade, as was its spread. But due to nature's harsh proclivity to capitalize on weakness and strength, it mutated and will again. Vaccines are ineffective. If you want to politicize it, fine, but your position is essentially irrelevant
 
There's no "they." There's a balance in nature, and we are testing the limits of it, with both overpopulation and environmental impact. You're making that typical hypocritical argument that liberals make. You want to think you can control every outcome through collective force without addressing the actual cause. The cause of the pandemic was manmade, as was its spread. But due to nature's harsh proclivity to capitalize on weakness and strength, it mutated and will again. Vaccines are ineffective. If you want to politicize it, fine, but your position is essentially irrelevant

Go lick some doorknobs on video in a COVID ward and then we will take your claims of ineffectiveness seriously.
Sorry antivaxxer.
 
Vaccines mess with you immune system and there's risks associated with vaccines. I'd rather get covid and build up natural immunity that will carry me throughout my life.

How did natural immunity work for the first death by Omicron variant of COVID?

Note the words "first death".
 
There's no "they." There's a balance in nature, and we are testing the limits of it, with both overpopulation and environmental impact. You're making that typical hypocritical argument that liberals make. You want to think you can control every outcome through collective force without addressing the actual cause. The cause of the pandemic was manmade, as was its spread. But due to nature's harsh proclivity to capitalize on weakness and strength, it mutated and will again. Vaccines are ineffective. If you want to politicize it, fine, but your position is essentially irrelevant

This is gibberish.
 
Go lick some doorknobs on video in a COVID ward and then we will take your claims of ineffectiveness seriously.
Sorry antivaxxer.
You should do the same and see if your results are any different than mine. I'm not an "antivaxxer" at all. I just recognize that we are unlikely to keep up with it. I also think vaccinations are a personal choice not something to be forced, which is what the Stalinists tried to do
 
You should do the same and see if your results are any different than mine. I'm not an "antivaxxer" at all. I just recognize that we are unlikely to keep up with it. I also think vaccinations are a personal choice not something to be forced, which is what the Stalinists tried to do

I have the right to make u sick.webp
 
Citations? That's BS. Look at seat belts...are they the same strength and quality as in a jet fighter? No...but if they were, they'd save more lives.

So you've made no point unless you can support it.



How do you know? What was wrong with "new products" and if the govt "didnt try to stop the professionals" from pointing out the issues...how do you know about them? Sources?
Commercial Cars, Race Car, and Jet fighter all have different needs in the design.
 
Commercial Cars, Race Car, and Jet fighter all have different needs in the design.

They were, as you wrote..."optimized" for their purpose. Just like the other things I listed. ;) So you make my point.
 
In an effort to put this matter to rest, I though a simple poll on which was more dangerous would be a good way to spurr discussion. What say ye, good folks DP? Are the covid vaccines more dangerous than covid? Is covid more dangerous than the covid vaccines? Please bring your sources.😅
I can't recall the poster, I want to say someone of position, claimed an 'unbiased' study was going to get to the bottom of all this vax is bad crapola. I can't recall if the report was ever presented in here. I suspect that is due to it either being all sound and fury or the results didn't fit the 'unbiased' authors.
As a highly undereducated man I can't offer amazing insight, but I do make it a habit of getting every vaccination the VA offers. As the man said as he passed each window as he fell from the skyscraper- 'So far, so good'... :oops:
I'll take my cases with the devil I know.... ✌️
 
You should do the same and see if your results are any different than mine. I'm not an "antivaxxer" at all. I just recognize that we are unlikely to keep up with it. I also think vaccinations are a personal choice not something to be forced, which is what the Stalinists tried to do
Early variants were different. The vaccines made a significant dent in transmission. That is why epidemiologists recommended that people either get vaccinated or stay home. No one-not a single person-was held down and forced to get vaccinated. When you have a deadly disease, especially one spread by aerosol, isolation of potentially infectious persons is a rational health measure. It was the right thing to do at the time.
Times are different now. The variants are less lethal and the vaccines don’t affect transmission as much. And everyone who wants to get vaccinated can do so. Those who don’t want the vaccine can make that choice and live (or die) with the consequences.
 
Here’s a summary of how the Covid vaccines reduce but don’t eliminate viral transmission. As I wrote they were more effective against earlier variants. Making vaccination mandatory for people in certain occupations saved many lives.


1. How vaccines reduced transmission:
  • Preventing infection: By reducing the chance of getting infected, vaccines decreased the pool of individuals who could transmit the virus.
  • Reducing viral load: In cases where vaccinated people did get infected, they often had lower viral loads, making them less likely to spread the virus.
  • Shorter duration of infection:Vaccinated individuals typically cleared the virus faster, decreasing the overall time they could potentially transmit it. ”
 


this guy has been doing a whole series of covid related data based videos since the beginning fwiw

And has been misrepresenting the actual facts from the about 6 months to a year into the pandemic too.
 
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And has been misrepresenting the actual facts from the about 6 months to a year into the pandemic too.
That's why he puts the data right in front of you with links to see for yourself
 
That's why he puts the data right in front of you with links to see for yourself
And has been called out for misrepresenting what it says or for using faulty data. Including by the authors of some of the papers he's presented. Just because someone puts up data, doesn't mean the data is real, related, or what is being claimed it means.

 
I agree with you. The people who refused to follow the lockdown and quarantine mandates were the most dangerous to the public. Had they followed the guidelines, President Trump may have been right about the virus disappearing.

leftoids in new york developed Stockholm Syndrome. They willingly allowed themselves to be forced to stay at home, leave home only with their papers, and have their jobs taken away from them, and they were thanking their captors for it.

"All glory to our government, out great savior. Can we please just have a tiny check every now and then for our compliance?"

Texas reopened in May 2020 because Texans weren't going to put up with lockdown anymore, and we had fewer deaths per capita than new york.
 
leftoids in new york developed Stockholm Syndrome. They willingly allowed themselves to be forced to stay at home, leave home only with their papers, and have their jobs taken away from them, and they were thanking their captors for it.

"All glory to our government, out great savior. Can we please just have a tiny check every now and then for our compliance?"

Texas reopened in May 2020 because Texans weren't going to put up with lockdown anymore, and we had fewer deaths per capita than new york.
If what you write is true (and I don't want to waste any time confirming it) then us normal people understand the reason for it: NY is much more densely populated than Texas. Therefore its much easier for the virus to spread from person to person.
Duh
 
If what you write is true (and I don't want to waste any time confirming it) then us normal people understand the reason for it: NY is much more densely populated than Texas. Therefore its much easier for the virus to spread from person to person.
Duh

So Texans our out living their lives and dying at lower rates than masked, double vaxxed individuals stuck at home only permitted to leave with their vaccine card on display, and you think it's population density.

There really wasn't a strong relationship in either direction between population density and death rates, and there has also been literature published saying as much. new york just shit the bed. I mean who puts the most vulnurable(seniors) in facilities with infected? oh wait, a new york democrat.
 
So Texans our out living their lives and dying at lower rates than masked, double vaxxed individuals stuck at home only permitted to leave with their vaccine card on display, and you think it's population density.

There really wasn't a strong relationship in either direction between population density and death rates, and there has also been literature published saying as much. new york just shit the bed. I mean who puts the most vulnurable(seniors) in facilities with infected? oh wait, a new york democrat.
"There really wasn't a strong relationship in either direction between population density and death rates, and there has also been literature published saying as much. "

Produce that literature or admit you made it up.
When hospitals get overrrun death rates go up. For example, if Texas had 10 covid cases and their hospital had the capacity to handle 20 cases the results would be better than NYC, for example, where there may have been 100 covid cases and hospitals having the capacity to handle 50. Try to use your head.
I took just a moment to confirm your statement that Texas had a lower death rate than NY. Guess what! You lied! What a suprise....NOT. NY had a lower death rate than Texas, 41.4 v 49. Plus those who died had to live in a shit hole called Texas.
I guess NY handled Covid very well compared to the MAGAT infested shit hole. In fact, looking at the list I provided you the worst states at handling covid were the red states, probably because they were full of covidiots who refused to get vaccinated once vaccines were available, refused to wear masks, and who refused to close down when it was appropriate.

 
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"There really wasn't a strong relationship in either direction between population density and death rates, and there has also been literature published saying as much. "

Produce that literature or admit you made it up.
When hospitals get overrrun death rates go up. For example, if Texas had 10 covid cases and their hospital had the capacity to handle 20 cases the results would be better than NYC, for example, where there may have been 100 covid cases and hospitals having the capacity to handle 50. Try to use your head.

You're just making up numbers(20, 50, 100). You can actually calculate the covariance between the two. There was a weak relationship between the population density of a state and its death rate per capita.


I took just a moment to confirm your statement that Texas had a lower death rate than NY. Guess what! You lied! What a suprise....NOT. NY had a lower death rate than Texas, 41.4 v 49. Plus those who died had to live in a shit hole called Texas.

Says use your head, doesn't realize new york had 600 more deaths per capita than Texas, and Texans got to live their lives. My gym reopened in May along with restaurants, bars, live music venues, etc, and none of them required vaccine cards.

I guess NY handled Covid very well compared to the MAGAT infested shit hole. In fact, looking at the list I provided you the worst states at handling covid were the red states, probably because they were full of covidiots who refused to get vaccinated once vaccines were available, refused to wear masks, and who refused to close down when it was appropriate.

lol lmao....it was 2021 before new yorkers got some semblence of freedom back. the state still hasn't returned to pre pandemic employment levels.


I guess I'll leave you to learn what death rate means and remember to be careful about using terms interchangeably with you.
 
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