Which is more dangerous : Covid or the Covid vaccines?

[Ethel2]

You're just making up numbers(20, 50, 100). You can actually calculate the covariance between the two. There was a weak relationship between the population density of a state and its death rate per capita.




Says use your head, doesn't realize new york had 600 more deaths per capita than Texas, and Texans got to live their lives. My gym reopened in May along with restaurants, bars, live music venues, etc, and none of them required vaccine cards.



lol lmao....it was 2021 before new yorkers got some semblence of freedom back. the state still hasn't returned to pre pandemic employment levels.



I guess I'll leave you to learn what death rate means and remember to be careful about using terms interchangeably with you.

Your response is unadulterated bullshit. If one state (NY) has a death rate of 41 and another state (Texas) has a death rate of 49, which is worse? I’ll give you time to take a mathematics course.
The rest of your post isn’t responding to. If you post bs here expect to be called out on it.

 

[tharock220]

Your response is unadulterated bullshit. If one state (NY) has a death rate of 41 and another state (Texas) has a death rate of 49, which is worse? I’ll give you time to take a mathematics course.
The rest of your post isn’t responding to. If you post bs here expect to be called out on it.

I said deaths per capita in the first post you responded to. Go back and read.

Not only that, but you're clueless.

Your link tries to give new york some sort of credit because it turned senior care facilities into death houses. Read your own links next time litle fella.

States are categorized from highest rate to lowest rate. Although adjusted for differences in age-distribution and population size, rankings by state do not take into account other state specific population characteristics that may affect the level of mortality.

Your link shows the number of deaths by state. Divide that by the state's total population and tell me which is higher, I'll even do it for you.

Texas
14,573/31290831 = 0.000465727

New York
11,129/20201249 = 0.000550907

 

[Gimmesometruth]

If you read research

"If you read the crap I read, you would come to the same crappy conclusions I reached, garbage in, garbage out..."

 

[Ethel2]

I said deaths per capita in the first post you responded to. Go back and read.

Not only that, but you're clueless.

Your link tries to give new york some sort of credit because it turned senior care facilities into death houses. Read your own links next time litle fella.



Your link shows the number of deaths by state. Divide that by the state's total population and tell me which is higher, I'll even do it for you.

Texas
14,573/31290831 = 0.000465727

New York
11,129/20201249 = 0.000550907

Deaths per capita is meaningless. The covidiots and mask holes in Texas live relatively far apart compared to NY normal people. The only meaningful statistic regarding deaths is DEATH RATE-the percentage of people who get COVID and die.
The population density for NY is nearly FOUR TIMES that of Texas (see below). So if I live in an apartment building with 300 other residents and you live in your single family home with your husband and four kids , for example, who do you think is at higher risk of getting infected? Think carefully now little fella….

List of states and territories of the United States by population density - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[tharock220]

Deaths per capita is meaningless. The covidiots and mask holes in Texas live relatively far apart compared to NY normal people.

It's not meaningless. It's the most widely reporter statistic.

The only meaningful statistic regarding deaths is DEATH RATE-the percentage of people who get COVID and die.

lol lmao....you don't even know what's in your own link.

The population density for NY is nearly FOUR TIMES that of Texas (see below). So if I live in an apartment building with 300 other residents and you live in your single family home with your husband and four kids , for example, who do you think is at higher risk of getting infected? Think carefully now little fella….

Yet there didn't appear to be a strong relationship between a state's population density and deaths. You can estimate it. You're just trying to hand wave away new york's awful response. I mean the state still hasn't recovered.

 

[Ethel2]

It's not meaningless. It's the most widely reporter statistic.



lol lmao....you don't even know what's in your own link.




Yet there didn't appear to be a strong relationship between a state's population density and deaths. You can estimate it. You're just trying to hand wave away new york's awful response. I mean the state still hasn't recovered.

Death rate is probably the ONLY meaningful statistic regarding Covid because the important statistic of population density isn’t a factor. Population density absolutely is a factor in infection rates. If I live on a farm that is 10 square miles the chances of me getting infected are orders of magnitude less than if I live in a densely populated area such as NYC. Residents of NYC are out and about with other people every day. People who live on a ranch, for example, may go into town once a week for supplies. The more people you get exposed to the higher the chance of getting infected. Once infected your chance of dying from covid is in your lap.
Use your head little fella!
Tell you what: you feel better using the nearly meaningless stat of per capita deaths (which fails to take into account population density) and us normal people will use the more relevant statistic of death rate-deaths per 100,000 population. NY :41. Texas: 49. That means that per 100k people fewer people died in NY than in Texas DESPITE the nursing home debacle.
You’ll be happy in your MAGAT world and I won’t have to correct warped posts like yours again.

 

[tharock220]

Death rate is probably the ONLY meaningful statistic regarding Covid because the important statistic of population density isn’t a factor. Population density absolutely is a factor in infection rates. If I live on a farm that is 10 square miles the chances of me getting infected are orders of magnitude less than if I live in a densely populated area such as NYC. Residents of NYC are out and about with other people every day. People who live on a ranch, for example, may go into town once a week for supplies. The more people you get exposed to the higher the chance of getting infected. Use your head little fella!

You keep making up numbers and hypothetical scenarios. Then you call per capita deaths meaningless and share a link using just that.

Tell you what: you feel better using the nearly meaningless stat of per capita deaths (which fails to take into account population density isn’t) and us normal people will use the more relevant statistic of death rate.

The most commonly reported metric. Pretty much every major reporting agency reported per capita deaths. Few reported the percentage of the sick that died, and you certainly haven't used it despite telling me how important it is.

You’ll be happy in your MAGAT world and I won’t have to correct warped posts like yours again.

Correcting me about using numbers you, yourself, used?

 

[Hatuey]

I've never seen an adult not understand the concept of population density.

 

[tharock220]

I've never seen an adult not understand the concept of population density.

It has been addressed repeatedly. The relationship between population density and the effects of COVID isn't a strong one.

leftoids have a strange love for lockdown and attack anyone who dare criticize it. I think that whole not having to work thing is the source the nostalgia.

 

[Fledermaus]

It has been addressed repeatedly. The relationship between population density and the effects of COVID isn't a strong one.

leftoids have a strange love for lockdown and attack anyone who dare criticize it. I think that whole not having to work thing is the source the nostalgia.

Isn't a strong one?

 

[Hatuey]

It has been addressed repeatedly.

Is that what you think you did? That's funny. From where I am standing you don't seem to even begin to grasp the concept of population density.

 

[Ethel2]

You keep making up numbers and hypothetical scenarios. Then you call per capita deaths meaningless and share a link using just that.




The most commonly reported metric. Pretty much every major reporting agency reported per capita deaths. Few reported the percentage of the sick that died, and you certainly haven't used it despite telling me how important it is.



Correcting me about using numbers you, yourself, used?

"On the other hand it is noticed that Covid-19 spread and related death are low in districts with low population density. "

Impact of population density on Covid 19 infected and mortality rate in India

The residents living in areas with high population density, such as big or metropolitan cities have higher probability to come into close contact with others and consequently any contagious disease are expected to spread rapidly in dense areas. However, recently after analyzing Covid-19 cases in...

www.medrxiv.org

In plain easy to understand English. Common sense tells us that the closer people are to one another the higher the chance of contracting a highly communicable infectious disease. Most studies confirm this to be true.

Lets simplify this for you: Texas has a death rate of 49 per 100k; NY has a death rate of 41 per 100k. Lets make this a very deadly disease and make it per 100 people living in each state so that 49 of those 100 people in Texas died of this fictitious disease and only 41 living in NY died of it. Which state had more deaths per 100 people?

 

[tharock220]

"On the other hand it is noticed that Covid-19 spread and related death are low in districts with low population density. "

Impact of population density on Covid 19 infected and mortality rate in India

The residents living in areas with high population density, such as big or metropolitan cities have higher probability to come into close contact with others and consequently any contagious disease are expected to spread rapidly in dense areas. However, recently after analyzing Covid-19 cases in...

www.medrxiv.org

In plain easy to understand English. Common sense tells us that the closer people are to one another the higher the chance of contracting a highly communicable infectious disease. Most studies confirm this to be true.

Lets simplify this for you: Texas has a death rate of 49 per 100k; NY has a death rate of 41 per 100k. Lets make this a very deadly disease and make it per 100 people living in each state so that 49 of those 100 people in Texas died of this fictitious disease and only 41 living in NY died of it. Which state had more deaths per 100 people?

So your response to questions about population density is a paper about data out of India. Did you even read your own link or do you just Google the phrase you want to be true and just copy the first thing you find. This is the second time you've done this.

In conclusion the present analysis indicates a positive correlation between Covid-19 infection and related mortality with population density, in contrast to the findings by the researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and London school of economics and IZA – Institute of Labor Economics, based on US data.

Isn't a strong one?

You can calculate it yourself if you like.

Is that what you think you did? That's funny. From where I am standing you don't seem to even begin to grasp the concept of population density.

I've addressed it repeatedly. I'm not sure you grasp any concept at all.

 

[Hatuey]

I've addressed it repeatedly. I'm not sure you grasp any concept at all.

Is that what you think you've done? From where I am standing, it seems you do not grasp what population density is and why a disease would kill more people in places with high population density.

It is a shame. Good job exposing this guy's failure to grasp simple concepts @Ethel2 .

 

[Ethel2]

So your response to a discussion about COVID deaths in Texas and new york is a paper data out of India? Did you even read your own link. This is the second time you've done this. Do you just Google the phrase you want to be true until you find something you think makes your point?

I know where the study was done. It doesn't matter that it was done in India. Not all studies are done in the US. The study shows that in areas of low population density infections spread more slowly and by extension, deaths are less common. That aligns with common sense, doesn't it. Now I will admit that not ALL studies support this link between infection rate and population density, but there is sufficient evidence for me to believe what intuitively makes sense.
Now answer the question I posed to you: if Texas has a death rate of 49 per 100 people and NY has a death rate of 41 per 100 people which state has more deaths per 100 people?

 

[tharock220]

Is that what you think you've done? From where I am standing, it seems you do not grasp what population density is and why a disease would kill more people in places with high population density.

Except the actual data doesn't show that to be true.

It is a shame. Good job exposing this guy's failure to grasp simple concepts @Ethel2 .

I mean, I understand why you want it to be true. It mitigates new york's terrible COVID response.

 

[Hatuey]

Except the actual data doesn't show that to be true

Actually, as @Ethel2 showed, it does.

iI mean, I understand why you want it to be true. It mitigates new york's terrible COVID response.

This is the kind of response I expect from someone who cannot grasp the concept of population density.

 

[Ethel2]

Is that what you think you've done? From where I am standing, it seems you do not grasp what population density is and why a disease would kill more people in places with high population density.

It is a shame. Good job exposing this guy's failure to grasp simple concepts @Ethel2 .

Thanks. But in fairness, not all studies support a link between lower infection rates and low population density. Yes, it does make intuitive sense and for that reason I believe the studies that support that link. But the bottom line is that Texas ACTUALLY HAD a higher death rate than NY, despite what was claimed, and despite a lower population density, and despite the nursing home debacle.

 

[tharock220]

I know where the study was done. It doesn't matter that it was done in India. Not all studies are done in the US. The study shows that in areas of low population density infections spread more slowly and by extension, deaths are less common. That aligns with common sense, doesn't it. Now I will admit that not ALL studies support this link between infection rate and population density, but there is sufficient evidence for me to believe what intuitively makes sense.

And yet your own paper says the studies on US data contradict their own findings.

Now answer the question I posed to you: if Texas has a death rate of 49 per 100 people and NY has a death rate of 41 per 100 people which state has more deaths per 100 people?

Texas obviously, but your numbers are wrong. I already posted the actual numbers. It doesn't matter if you do it per hundred or per million. The ranking won't change.

So you can take this math and multiply it by a million, a hundred, or a hundred thousand, and New York will still be higher than Texas.

Texas
14,573/31290831 = 0.000465727

New York
11,129/20201249 = 0.000550907

 

[tharock220]

Actually, as @Ethel2 showed, it does.

Actually he hasn't. What he did was Google COVID infections and population density. He clicked on some links that used American data, and they didn't say what he wanted them to. Next he clicked on a link using data from India. It showed the relationship he wanted, so he used that instead.

Feel free to fail again.

 

[Hatuey]

Actually he hasn't.

From where I am standing, looks to me like they have. You being unable to grasp population density as a concept is pretty funny.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Texas
14,573/31290831 = 0.000465727

New York
11,129/20201249 = 0.000550907

Texas: 429/100K
New York: 325/100K

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2823%2900461-0

 

[tharock220]

From where I am standing, looks to me like they have. You being unable to grasp population density as a concept is pretty funny.

I addressed his link. The reading(it does contain math) might be a little tough for you.

But you did do as I said. You failed harder. I'll call that a dub and move on.

 

[Ethel2]

And yet your own paper says the studies on US data contradict their own findings.


Texas obviously, but your numbers are wrong. I already posted the actual numbers. It doesn't matter if you do it per hundred or per million. The ranking won't change.

So you can take this math and multiply it by a million, a hundred, or a hundred thousand, and New York will still be higher than Texas.

Texas
14,573/31290831 = 0.000465727

New York
11,129/20201249 = 0.000550907

I gave you the data. Per 100k people: NY had a death rate of 41.4 deaths; Texas had a death rate of 49. Thats pretty simple to understand. If you don't get it I can't help you. Its common for MAGATS to be unable to accept reality. This data is from the CDC:

COVID-19 Mortality by State

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

 

[tharock220]

Texas: 429/100K
New York: 325/100K

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2823%2900461-0

Again. Didn't read your own link. Report the actual number, not the arbitrarility adjusted one that rewards new york's colossal senior citizen failure.

I think 384 is higher than 365.