Which is more dangerous : Covid or the Covid vaccines?

[Logophile]

Post #330

So, only liberals support mandating certain vaccines?

As for your statement in this post - #330 - that "Vaccines are ineffective". It's not true. Smallpox and polio come to mind.

I was obviously referring to covid vaccines. Were they effective?? I don't know. Are they effective as in present tense?? No, not really. Back along, they seemed to have mitigated severe symptoms in some people, but we really don't know how much of that was herd immunity or natural antibodies versus the vaccine along with all the propaganda born of politics. Then of course, covid mutated - and continues to mutate - out of reach. As I said in the thread you answered, covid is/was an unknown in terms of its adaptability. It doesn't have a rigid form as per small pox or polio. That said, we're encountering a resistant strain of polio. Small pox has been all but eradicated. I think there's a small vial in some government lab somewhere, but that's it. That's really all thanks to milk maids

 

[Xilnik]

Texas has more than one and a half times the population, so if you want to compare the deaths multiply New York's appropriately. New York was seeing 400+ dead a day in January 2022. That's the equivalent of 600 dead in Texas, a number they never reached once. So saying "far exceeded" is being dishonest.

The effects of New York's lockdowns are still being felt. In January 2020, nine and half million people in New York had jobs. The current number still hasn't recovered.



I was told that "Deaths per capita is meaningless" by a poster who turned around an unknowingly used deaths per capita in a CDC link. Then that poster told me it was all population density and proved it by posting a link that studies done on COVID in the US said their was no association between population density and COVID deaths. Then they doubled down on the stupid and gave me another per capita link. It's all here for you to see.

There are some valid points in your argument, but it also oversimplifies the situation by ignoring key contextual factors.

Valid points:

• Texas has a larger population, so comparing raw numbers without adjusting for population size can be misleading.
• New York’s lockdowns affected employment, and recovery has been slower in some sectors.

Oversimplifications:

• While Texas never hit 600 deaths per day, the per capita death rate at different intervals is a more meaningful metric. New York had higher early deaths, but Texas saw large surges after prematurely removing guidelines that narrowed the gap.
• Studies show some correlation between population density and COVID-19 deaths, contradicting the claim that there was no association.(source)

Overall, your argument appears to cherry-pick data to fit a narrative while ignoring key factors such as the timing of outbreaks, healthcare infrastructure, and policy responses.

 

[tharock220]

There are some valid points in your argument, but it also oversimplifies the situation by ignoring key contextual factors.

Valid points:

• Texas has a larger population, so comparing raw numbers without adjusting for population size can be misleading.
• New York’s lockdowns affected employment, and recovery has been slower in some sectors.

Fewer deaths per capita, better economic recovery. Generally there was an expected trade off, but new york managed to screw up both.

The point was Texas's response was better.

Oversimplifications:

• While Texas never hit 600 deaths per day, the per capita death rate at different intervals is a more meaningful metric. New York had higher early deaths, but Texas saw large surges after prematurely removing guidelines that narrowed the gap.

New York hit per capita death rates in 2022 that Texas never touched. Accuse me of cherrypicking the data then do just that. Okie dokie.

• Studies show some correlation between population density and COVID-19 deaths, contradicting the claim that there was no association.(source)

I really wish you guys would read the stuff you link or the posts you're addressing. You'll have to go back and read why I said, and check Ethel's posts as well. I really had him twisting in the wind looking for something to which he could grab on.

 

[Lursa]

Some adults are very practiced in not understanding inconvenient facts.

The king insists....so they must do all they can to make reality fit his decrees.