Which is more dangerous : Covid or the Covid vaccines?

[TamleeB]

Gullible people believe nonsense and act accordingly.

So I will take that as a surrender. That you cannot show that I have put anyone at risk. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It's high school level biology. Kinda assume most people understand it....

See Point #4 in the following Article.

Understanding the exceptional pre-vaccination Era East Asian COVID-19 outcomes - PMC

During the first year of the pandemic, East Asian countries have reported fewer infections, hospitalizations, and deaths from COVID-19 disease than most countries in Europe and the Americas. Our goal in this paper is to generate and evaluate ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It turns out that Asians in America, pre-vaccine, had far fewer infections and hospitalizations and one of those reasons were genetic... which you would expect from a population that has been living with COVID, a SE Asian disease, for thousands of years.

The first known case of covid in human being - or at all, for that matter - was 17 November 2019.

Perhaps you can link me to a case prior to that?

 

[Lovebug]

Except, you know, as an ebola vaccine.

The Long History of mRNA Vaccines | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

A look at how this vaccine technology has been in the works for decades.

publichealth.jhu.edu

Johns Hopkins, who dare they think they know more than MAGAs and Jr?

Ebola vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Approved by the FDA in 2019.

That was the first hit on google. I'm not even counting research trials.

Would you like to know more?

I doubt that facts are welcome.

 

[Pyrite]

So I will take that as a surrender. That you cannot show that I have put anyone at risk. Thanks for clearing that up.

It's possible that your anti-covid-vaccine attitude and malarkey aren't limited to the readers/posters of this particular cyberspace site.

 

[TamleeB]

It's possible that your anti-covid-vaccine attitude and malarkey aren't limited to the readers/posters of this particular cyberspace site.

I am not anti covid vaccine. I could care less if others get the vaccination. It is their body and their choice. I just opt to not get the jab. My choice my body.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Except, you know, as an ebola vaccine.

The Long History of mRNA Vaccines | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

A look at how this vaccine technology has been in the works for decades.

publichealth.jhu.edu

Here is a relevant paragraph from the link you posted above.



And it supports my claim, not yours. The COVID vaccine was the first mRNA vaccine to be approved for large-scale use period.

Ebola vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Approved by the FDA in 2019.

That was the first hit on google. I'm not even counting research trials.

You're certainly not counting research trials. For two reasons. One, they're research trials. Not widespread, regulated release. And two, you don't know any of them.

And your Ebola vaccine? That's a recombinant vector drug, not mRNA.

Would you like to know more?

Not from someone who just makes stuff up, and seemingly has no idea what they're talking about... no.

 

[Hamish Howl]

And it supports my claim, not yours. The COVID vaccine was the first mRNA vaccine to be approved for large-scale use period.

I guess we can't count equatorial Africans as people, right?

 

[Pyrite]

I am not anti covid vaccine. I could care less if others get the vaccination. It is their body and their choice. I just opt to not get the jab. My choice my body.

Yeah, you're anti-covid-vaccine.

You've raised questions about imagined long-term effects.

You proclaim you've not taken any shot save the very first one, even though you know covid-19 still kills Americans, still induces long-covid.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Not from someone who just makes stuff up, and seemingly has no idea what they're talking about... no.

You got called on some bullshit and now you're mad.

Okay.

 

[jmotivator]

The first known case of covid in human being - or at all, for that matter - was 17 November 2019.

Perhaps you can link me to a case prior to that?

COVID is part of a family of Coronaviruses. COVID-19 is a strain of Coronavirus just as SARS is.

COVID-19 has that 19 in it's name because it is a COVID strain that was discovered in 2019. That doesn't mean that COVID sprung into existence in 2019...

Studies have found genetic evidence of COVID related mutations in Asian populations dating back as far as 21,000 years..

 

[Hamish Howl]

And your Ebola vaccine? That's a recombinant vector drug, not mRNA.

From the Johns Hopkins link:

The first mRNA vaccines using these fatty envelopes were developed against the deadly Ebola virus, but since that virus is only found in a limited number of African countries, it had no commercial development in the U.S.

Not from someone who just makes stuff up, and seemingly has no idea what they're talking about... no.

I can trust Johns Hopkins or I can trust a MAGA. Decisions, decisions.

 

[Hamish Howl]

COVID is part of a family of Coronaviruses. COVID-19 is a strain of Coronavirus just as SARS is.

As is the common cold. Are you immune to the common cold?

 

[Pyrite]

Btw, you all know about trump's no-foreign-students ban re Harvard University?

Guess who was a foreign postdoc student researcher at another American university?

Yep, Hungarian Katalin Karikó, at Temple, who later developed the mRNA vaccine technology at UPenn.

Think about that.

 

[Ethel2]

What does that have to do with the covid vaccinations? Are you saying a 7 year old is high risk if they don’t get the vaccination? Or how about a 18 year old boy? How about a 23 year old mother? So many questions ….

I posted a few of the medical conditions that would put you or anyone else who has them at high risk should they get infected.
A healthy 7 year old boy isn’t at high risk. However the risk of complications from COVID infection is still not zero and can still be reduced by getting vaccinated.
How stupid would someone feel if their kid got infected and suffered one of the many complications from the virus, knowing that not everything possible was done to prevent that outcome.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I guess we can't count equatorial Africans as people, right?

That's an idiotic straw man, and I'm sad to hear that you might even have had that thought.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

You got called on some bullshit and now you're mad.

Okay.

Deflection, reflection, and projection.

I called you on your bullshit, and I'm not mad, and my argument is solid. Yours is styrofoam, and now you've just resorted to ad-hom.

That's a loser move as far as arguments go.

 

[TamleeB]

Yeah, you're anti-covid-vaccine.

You've raised questions about imagined long-term effects.

You proclaim you've not taken any shot save the very first one, even though you know covid-19 still kills Americans, still induces long-covid.

Of course I raised questions. Is that a bad thing? To be concerned and ask questions about a vaccine that is new? I never one time said I have not taken any shots, where did I ever said that? What I did say, is I will never have another and I stand by that. It appears to me that you are far too busy trying to make your “case” without doing your research first.

 

[TamleeB]

I posted a few of the medical conditions that would put you or anyone else who has them at high risk should they get infected.
A healthy 7 year old boy isn’t at high risk. However the risk of complications from COVID infection is still not zero and can still be reduced by getting vaccinated.
How stupid would someone feel if their kid got infected and suffered one of the many complications from the virus, knowing that not everything possible was done to prevent that outcome.

So what will the the possible impacts of the 7 year old having that vaccination be in 20 years? Do you have the answer? I am totally open to engaging in that conversation with you.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

From the Johns Hopkins link:

The text that you quoted basically says it right there. It was developed, but it was not commercially adopted. It was basically a stalled out clinical trial. The COVID vaccine is where it all really happened.

I can trust Johns Hopkins or I can trust a MAGA. Decisions, decisions.

Ebola vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That vaccine is what was used and that's the one that you linked to and it's not mRNA.

I generally trust Johns Hopkins too, but I don't trust your interpretation of their paper, which is wrong.

And there you go again, slinging around names. I'm not a maga, whatever that is. I mean, you can call me that if you want, but it's a stupid form of argument. In fact, it is not a form of argument. It's a form of losing an argument.

 

[Pyrite]

Of course I raised questions. Is that a bad thing? To be concerned and ask questions about a vaccine that is new? I never one time said I have not taken any shots, where I ever said that? What I did say, is I will never have another and I stand by that. It appears to me that you are far too busy trying to make your “case” without doing your research first.

Another thing I haven't said! I'm beginning to wonder how much of this is due to poor reading comprehension, how much to old-age forgetfulness, how much is deliberate....

But, thanks for the opportunity for me to point out, again, the silliness of a non-medical cyberspace poster, who has no training, experience, or expertise in virology or vaccines, not to mention mRNA tech, who believes that he/she/they somehow knows better than the results of the largest clinical trial in global history and the learned conclusions of scores of doctors and scientists.

 

[jmotivator]

As is the common cold. Are you immune to the common cold?

Sigh. The Common cold is a syndrome that is caused by a multitude of different viruses. The reason there isn't a vaccine for the Common Cold is because there are so many underlying viruses that cause it. You'd need to have a vaccine for all strains of Coronavirus, Rhinovirus, RSV, HPIV etc. etc. that cause Common Cold symptoms.

The reason it seems mostly universal is because there is no central geographic source where all of those virus sources of the Common Cold come from. I'm sure that Asians have a natural immunity to coronavirus strains of the Common Cold, but that doesn't make them immune given all the other sources of the syndrome.

 

[TamleeB]

Another thing I haven't said! I'm beginning to wonder how much of this is due to poor reading comprehension, how much to old-age forgetfulness, how much is deliberate....

But, thanks for the opportunity for me to point out, again, the silliness of a non-medical cyberspace poster, who has no training, experience, or expertise in virology or vaccines, not to mention mRNA tech, who believes that he/she/they somehow knows better than the results of the largest clinical trial in global history and the learned conclusions of scores of doctors and scientists.

So you said “You proclaim you've not taken any shot save the very first one”. I never ever said such a thing, and I am totally open to you showing where I ever made such a statement. Post 283

 

[Ethel2]

So what will the the possible impacts of the 7 year old having that vaccination be in 20 years? Do you have the answer? I am totally open to engaging in that conversation with you.

Sure
None
How do I know this?
Because there has never been a single vaccine in history where any significant side effects weren’t discovered until years later. That’s simply not the way vaccines work. If you had even the most rudimentary understanding of medicine you would know this.
I suggest you do some reading about vaccines instead of getting your medical information from CTs, quacks, and news outlets like FauxNoNews or Breitbart-or simply guessing.

 

[Pyrite]

So what will the the possible impacts of the 7 year old having that vaccination be in 20 years? Do you have the answer? I am totally open to engaging in that conversation with you.

We don't have to have an answer to this question. Vaccines are nothing new. mRNA tech didn't suddenly spring out of the head of trump back in 1920.

The global trial indicates - remember, in the scientific world, there's always a bit of uncertainty - that there are no short-term or long-term serious / significant / oh-my-god-that's-terrible side effects attached to the covid-19 vaccines.

But, hey, I get it....you're anti-science, anti-facts, anti-expert, and saving lives doesn't seem to be an overwhelming priority, soooooooooo.....gloom and doom re imagined horrible side effects it is.

I just hope you don't infect others with your suspicions.

 

[TamleeB]

Sure
None
How do I know this?
Because there has never been a single vaccine in history where any significant side effects weren’t discovered until years later. That’s simply not the way vaccines work. If you had even the most rudimentary understanding of medicine you would know this.
I suggest you do some reading about vaccines instead of getting your medical information from CTs, quacks, and news outlets like FauxNoNews or Breitbart-or simply guessing.

You actually do NOT know that. And the fact that you insist you know this is BS. Not a single one of us will know that for years. And that includes you. Prove otherwise.