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When is Electricity Going to be an Issue?

building a big ol coal fired generating plant ain't cheap peeps (fergit the outlay for a nuke)
them things are brought online and MUST be run in a steady state manner months on end used for bearing the load baseline generating needs
then you'll see the widdle plants that are run by stuff like natural gas that can come on and supply power at short notice
these are what keep the lights on during peak load times, some of them are really cool cuz they basically have giant turbo-jet engines running the generators

but when it comes to coolness factor they cain't lay a finger on these

:) air is 14 times more dense than hydrogen ;)
 
AngryOldGuy said:
I'm all for active load balancing, you don't have to go and study how the power grid works to getta grasp on how this is the right way to do it.
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IF we are the free society evernyone wants to claim we are, then I have major and significant problemw with it.

AngryOldGuy said:
Now as for the folks that squawk over having limited power availability it's easy as pie. You wanna burn up a buncha power during the peak load period? Then it's gonna cost ya! Pay to play baby, pay to play. I know more people than not who are flush enough (or are not good at being stingy bastards like me) that couldn't care less if blasting the A/C running the washer n clothes dryer, leaving all sorts of stuff needlessly turned on during a peak load time of day (they haven't a clue what that is) cuz paying a lil extra doesn't matter to them.
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Let's look at that "Peak Hours" concept.... How much of your electric use is done between 7am and 11pm? I ask because those are the defined "Peak Hours" for most of the urban areas in this country under the SG project. Nor is the markup a pidly thing to look at.... it could be as high as a 50% increase. If one were to suggest that 80% of your electric usage was "peak", you'd see a 40% increase in your electric bill. Hmmm... not something I'm looking forward to. Though I'm looking even less forward to my devices shutting off on their own because I'm not given the choice to pay the higher price or turn the device off.
 
Command and Conquer I loved that game
 
Tigger said:
devices shutting off on their own
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not to sound insulting or using the condescending tone that I've been accused of by many mods so far but....
wait there is no way to address your post without doing so and that makes me a sad panda :(

hmmm how can I put this in easily understandable nonthreatening terms to a 24 year old woman or a resident of Rio Linda?
never mind big business in cahoots with big government knows what's best for you, turn off the clothes dryer and the coffee pot will come back on
you'll learn to dry the clothes during off-peak hours now won't cha?
 
AngryOldGuy said:
hmmm how can I put this in easily understandable nonthreatening terms to a 24 year old woman or a resident of Rio Linda?
never mind big business in cahoots with big government knows what's best for you, turn off the clothes dryer and the coffee pot will come back on
you'll learn to dry the clothes during off-peak hours now won't cha?
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That's pretty much their plan. Gonna cause some serious scheduling issues for most laundomats when they can only be open from 11pm-7am, but someone will figure it out, I'm sure.
 
The answer is more of these
we should build a zillion of em and pipe the excess to Mexico and Canada heck send it all the way to Brazil?
 
Montecresto said:
Solar doesnt care.
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how's the battery life or do YOU have to husband your generating capacity & usage patterns based on when the sun is out or if it's cloudy?
or are you really just hooked to the grid anyways? :P
 
My house is deep in the woods past the electric grid.
 
ah hah next to the old Kaczynski place eh?
so how mucho keel-o-whats does this contraption make onna sunny sunny day?
enough for a blow dryer, coffee pot n the PC?
I'd think a 12 or 24 volts system would be better than inverting to 120v 60 Hz AC?
 
Angry, your much too sarcastic and dismissive for a valued conversation on THIS issue. Ill catch you on another.
 
tru dat homey the day I start taking the internet seriously plz shoot me
 
CalGun said:
What If Tesla Took 500,000 Gas-Guzzlers Off the Road? (TSLA)

As we "progress" away from oil based cars when is electric production going to be an issue? When people find out each of these cars consume the same power as a small home each day who's going to pay for the juice?

We all are!
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The solution is not complicated; build more power plants. Meanwhile throughout the electrical appliance and construction sectors, R&D is underway to made the stuff that uses electricity more efficient.

BTW: Tesla Motors is working on developing solar electric generators that they plan to offer with the sale of future electric cars that will be enough to recharge not only the cars they sell but some left over to feed back to the power grid. This will accomplish several things:

1. Provide a fuel source for electric cars that will rarely need to use the power grid.

2. Help defray the cost of the the solar electric system by generating a positive income stream for electric car owners. Under federal law, Americans are allowed to operate electrical generating systems that can be installed by a licensed electric contractor to reverse feed whatever electricity not being used by the owner into the power grid to make their electrical meter run backwards. Initially this simply reduces their bill each month but if enough electricity is produced; more than what they used from the power company, they get a check FROM the power company. So not only will Tesla owners not create any new electrical demand, we can all be thankful to them for generating electricity for the rest of us.

3. This ingenuity is bound to create competitive forces that will compel other car companies not to be outdone and will follow suit. Tesla leads the way in home solar electric production mean GM, Honda, Mazda, Ford, Mercedes, BMW, Mitsubishi, etc. will follow suit. Before you know it almost everybody will have a solar electric generator on their garage roof.
 
Arbo said:
Oh my. One of those. Go ahead, tell us what PART says anything about such a thing.
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The preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Preamble | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

Please tell me you knew this. If not you are in no place to ever argue about the constitution with anyone on this forum.
 
Smeagol said:
Under federal law,
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except for that one teensy tiny thing The whole concept is pure genius sadly pull that one card and the whole house falls down but its still really cool
 
Cecil900 said:
Please tell me you knew this. If not you are in no place to ever argue about the constitution with anyone on this forum.
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Like I said before, what we have here is yet another person that does not understand what the PREAMBLE is. That does not understand it in and of itself is not the binding part of the Constitution, but rather an introduction to what is to follow and reasons the LAW that follows is being put in place. It is not law unto itself, nor binding as to the duties of government. It is a PREAMBLE.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
except for that one teensy tiny thing The whole concept is pure genius sadly pull that one card and the whole house falls down but its still really cool
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I think its great we have a law that says not only can we manufacture our own electricity but send what we don't use to the power grid and get paid. There are a lot of dumb laws on the books, I personally see no negatives to this one.
 
Smeagol said:
The solution is not complicated; build more power plants. Meanwhile throughout the electrical appliance and construction sectors, R&D is underway to made the stuff that uses electricity more efficient.

BTW: Tesla Motors is working on developing solar electric generators that they plan to offer with the sale of future electric cars that will be enough to recharge not only the cars they sell but some left over to feed back to the power grid. This will accomplish several things:

1. Provide a fuel source for electric cars that will rarely need to use the power grid.

2. Help defray the cost of the the solar electric system by generating a positive income stream for electric car owners. Under federal law, Americans are allowed to operate electrical generating systems that can be installed by a licensed electric contractor to reverse feed whatever electricity not being used by the owner into the power grid to make their electrical meter run backwards. Initially this simply reduces their bill each month but if enough electricity is produced; more than what they used from the power company, they get a check FROM the power company. So not only will Tesla owners not create any new electrical demand, we can all be thankful to them for generating electricity for the rest of us.

3. This ingenuity is bound to create competitive forces that will compel other car companies not to be outdone and will follow suit. Tesla leads the way in home solar electric production mean GM, Honda, Mazda, Ford, Mercedes, BMW, Mitsubishi, etc. will follow suit. Before you know it almost everybody will have a solar electric generator on their garage roof.
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And I almost forgot one more: with new small solar roofing to charge people's cars all over, a huge competitive market is created leading to R&D into better solar technology.
 
I think there should be a lawl mandating everyone buy this crap
 
Arbo said:
Like I said before, what we have here is yet another person that does not understand what the PREAMBLE is. That does not understand it in and of itself is not the binding part of the Constitution, but rather an introduction to what is to follow and reasons the LAW that follows is being put in place. It is not law unto itself, nor binding as to the duties of government. It is a PREAMBLE.
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It doesn't grant legislative power, but it does give an outline as to what the purpose of the government should be.

Conservatives also tend to ignore the elastic clause. If electricity is deemed necessary and proper....
 
AngryOldGuy said:
I think there should be a lawl mandating everyone buy this crap
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I wouldn't call it crap but I wouldn't mandate buying it either. The way some people respond you'd think they actually believe people are being forced to buy cars that they don't want for whatever reason.

It would be a tangent but there are a lot of things we do have to buy by government mandate and I don't hear anyone complain; clothing, food for your children or you go to jail, running water and electric for your residence or it gets commended, smoke detectors...

BTW, not sure what everybody's definition of crap is but this ISN'T mine:

 
I wanna corvette and a swedish supermodel girlfriend I deem this necessary and proper....
 
AngryOldGuy said:
I wanna corvette and a swedish supermodel girlfriend I deem this necessary and proper....
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I might be talked into supporting at $7500 tax credit to help you out IF you can demonstrate that with your new girlfriend you'll reduce the likelihood we'll need to spend a $trillion fighting wars in the Middle East and with my investment your hot new girlfriend I'll be making progress in defending terrorism directed at Americans; an important national security investment similar to the US investment in the space program of the 1960s.
 
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