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When is Electricity Going to be an Issue?

TacticalEvilDan said:
I imagine that the fossil fuels that weren't burned in indivudual engines would be burned to generate the electricity to power those engines, at least until we figured out something else.
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That isn't really how that works though. The electricity grid is incredibly complex and switching base loads isn't something you can just do on a whim. Electric transportation as it develops will increase our power generation requirements significantly and it will require cheap sources of electricity to keep prices low and to facilitate continued growth. Having the right energy policies today like a liberal approach to natural gas, coal, and nuclear (as conditions and markets change obviously coal isn't big at the moment) while accepting that alternative methods of power generation could come online at mass commercial levels in the future.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
If it Moves, Tax it. If it Keeps Moving, Regulate it. And if it Stops Moving, Subsidize it.
Green energy is bass-ackwards it is starting out being subsidized. It will never even get out of the gate.
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Only because big oil is ever present to discourage it in ANY fashion possible, come on dude, you know that.
 
Hasn't electricity been an issue since the day Edison invented it?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Hasn't electricity been an issue since the day Edison invented it?
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I know it's been one for me ever since I found out that even with appliances turned OFF I am still paying for electrical usage. You have to literally unplug everything or install electric cutoffs in all outlets if you want to save money. Geez
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I wasn't aware that Edison invented electricity. Would you elaborate?
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It is a historical fact... it is in the history. Just read it up.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I know it's been one for me ever since I found out that even with appliances turned OFF I am still paying for electrical usage. You have to literally unplug everything or install electric cutoffs in all outlets if you want to save money. Geez
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And we get power outages here every few months... It is a big issue. And what is with the plugs? They come in different input shapes?
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is a historical fact... it is in the history. Just read it up.
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Electricity was not invented, but you "knew" that I'm sure. I was just interested in a link that would show it was invented by Edison as Google provided no support for your claim...
 
Its hypocritical of the left to damand the wealthy give more to our country and then hand the wealthy a $4 or $5k rebate on a car the poor can't afford. Then we ask the poor to pay more for electricity because the wealthy are using it in cars. On top of that we take money (gas taxes) away from the poors mass transit so the wealthy can drive electric cars. Add to this hypocricy the embracement of wacko environmentalism that prevents new nuclear power from being built and its a trifecta of hypocricy.


Smeagol said:
I see this as way bigger than a class warfare conflict but a national security investment. Yes, they cost a little more right now but that's only because ALL new technology products follow the Silicon Valley Business Model where the first one out are costly (cell phones, PCs, HDTVs, etc) but BECAUSE somebody was willing to pay more in the initial phases up front, it eventually got cheap enough for anybody to afford. The "rich people" are actually doing us a service just like they did with $15,000 flat screen TVs nobody else could afford. Because they're taking the up front financial hit, in time the rest of us will also be able to afford it. Meanwhile we're taking steps today away from reliance on the turmoil of the Mideast and madmen who we indirectly fund who have targeted us for jihad.
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Org said:
That's the problem of how we're going forward with this. Car companies are developing these things to appeal to the greenies, while fossil fuels are still too marketable for the existing market to develop renewables (which need to power EVs, if they're going to be worthwhile) at any decent pace.
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Meh. New technology always starts out being consumed by the elites, then as it gets cheaper and more practical it becomes something the rest of us can afford.
 
Sherman123 said:
That isn't really how that works though. The electricity grid is incredibly complex and switching base loads isn't something you can just do on a whim.
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Absolutely true. The grid has a tolerance of +/- 5-10%. That's why the east coast went totally dark a few years back -- the system experienced a disruption beyond its ability to cope, so a bunch of blasting caps exploded, a bunch of heavy-duty switches got thrown, and millions of people were without power.

I don't think anybody thought the idea was to literally replace half a million vehicles overnight, that's not what-ifs were about. Such discussions require one to assume that the fantasy made reality would require accommodations galore. :)
 
wander over to wherever your service panel is and throw the main breaker for 24 hours then get back to us about how it's merely a nuisance not having it
then again the number of people who live without it on good old planet earth numbers in the billions
 
it tweren't invented just discovered
 
CalGun said:
Its hypocritical of the left to damand the wealthy give more to our country and then hand the wealthy a $4 or $5k rebate on a car the poor can't afford. Then we ask the poor to pay more for electricity because the wealthy are using it in cars. On top of that we take money (gas taxes) away from the poors mass transit so the wealthy can drive electric cars. Add to this hypocricy the embracement of wacko environmentalism that prevents new nuclear power from being built and its a trifecta of hypocricy.
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Actually, its $7,500 and more from certain states. The fact that is just so happens to apply to more expensive cars, is both a coincidence and temporary. The $7500 electric car rebate is good for any electric car with no consideration of costs. The Nissan Leaf also qualifies, which is a lot less expensive than a Tesla S.

I really wish this weren't a left vs. right thing. This technology is helping America win our battle with middle eastern extremism.

Good news for average income guys like us. Because of the record setting sales figures of electric cars, in just a few years there's going to be a significant pre-owned electric car enventory that will need to be marketed. Nissan in particular is pushing leases of the Leaf right now that two or three years will be available for sale at prices most people can hande.

I'm trying to hold out for the Tesla S or Tesla X. Right now they're promoting a financing product in cooperation with Wells Fargo where they use your $7500 rebate as your downpayment. Then you get the rest financed for 5 years at a low interest rate. However, no gas at .30 cents on the dollar electricity compared to gas. If you're spending $200 a month for gas each month then divide that by 3 and add $65 a month to your electric bill but subtract $135 from the cost to operate the car each month. The net monthly cost for the Tesla S ends up being around $500 a month. Not exactly free but only about $135 a moth more than the compact economy car I just paid off. And again, its not just a cool new toy for big boys to me, its part of the war effort in defending the American people against those who think flying high jacked airliners into American skyscrapers during office hours is a great idea.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
The telegraph depended on electricity before Edison advanced the use. Again, electricity is a phenomena of nature and was not invented; it was harnessed...
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Nobody "harnessed" it before meaning he invented it... and why was "knew" in quotes?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Nobody "harnessed" it before meaning he invented it... and why was "knew" in quotes?
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Translation is necessary, and I think you're fully capable of understanding why "knew" was in quotes...
 
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