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I understand there are negative indirect problems with being high. I am asking what are the actual problems with feeling good, having an altered state of consciousness, feeling relaxed, and having fun? Yes, people can do bad things with drugs, but they can also do good things. There are lots of people who use drugs for fun and pay taxes, do their jobs, live their lives, and make the world a better place with their presence. I want to know why is it wrong to be high. I know the mistakes one can make or the problems that come from certain substances, but I want to know why someone being high pisses others off so much.
If you aren't hurting anyone else, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with it. We all have our coping mechanisms, be they drugs, booze, religion, workaholism, personal improvement obsessions, and any of a wide variety of things we do to make ourselves feel better about the human condition. Living is tough at times, and the world can be a meat-grinder.
That is the thing, I don't do it just because i feel bad. There is doing drugs in celebration. There is doing drugs for personal mental exploration. Those areas are an adventure to me at the time. Not all highs are like that, some do not take you places, they just make you feel up and good. Then there are those that make you feel mellow. I do like that you used the word condition because that fits better than alternatives. I am not running away from life with drugs. I am experiencing it. I know some can use them to run away, and that is a problem, but they can also be used to enhance things.
I understand there are negative indirect problems with being high. I am asking what are the actual problems with feeling good, having an altered state of consciousness, feeling relaxed, and having fun? Yes, people can do bad things with drugs, but they can also do good things. There are lots of people who use drugs for fun and pay taxes, do their jobs, live their lives, and make the world a better place with their presence. I want to know why is it wrong to be high. I know the mistakes one can make or the problems that come from certain substances, but I want to know why someone being high pisses others off so much.
I always want people to be in control of their selves, fully aware of what's going on and what they are doing while they're interacting with others - when they're not, problems can and do happen. Do they always happen? No. But being under a seriously altered state shouldn't be a mission that one aims to achieve.
I don't buy into the concept that "feeling good" means "having an altered state of consciousness" - I don't believe anyone who is a drug addict finds it to be "fun" and, further, I don't believe that they are truly "relaxed."
The "I want to self medicate" argument is the exact thing that will NOT further anyone's efforts to do drugs.
If someone needs to "feel good" by "altering their state of awareness and consciousness" and that is "more appealing that being sober" - they need to seek therapy and learn how to cope with something called "being a living person." It's disturbing that so many people don't want to be in-tune and aware. Is life really that bad? If so - seek help. Have problems - getting high won't fix them or improve your quality of life.
You need help if that's how you think about things. That is not 'living a life' - that is 'altering how you perceive life'.
Exercising, getting out of the house, relaxing in the sunshine, hanging out with friends, and doing all sort of non-mentally altered-state activities are the better way to enhance how you 'experience life' . . . What you're experiencing is 'fuzzy' and 'disorientation' and 'disassociation' as well as 'a disconnect' - that is not living.
Not my issue that you think that's 'fun' and 'mental exploration' (which is a load of bull in and of itself - you cannot explore your mind while you fry your synapses.)
I always want people to be in control of their selves, fully aware of what's going on and what they are doing while they're interacting with others - when they're not, problems can and do happen. Do they always happen? No. But being under a seriously altered state shouldn't be a mission that one aims to achieve.
I don't buy into the concept that "feeling good" means "having an altered state of consciousness" - I don't believe anyone who is a drug addict finds it to be "fun" and, further, I don't believe that they are truly "relaxed."
The "I want to self medicate" argument is the exact thing that will NOT further anyone's efforts to do drugs.
If someone needs to "feel good" by "altering their state of awareness and consciousness" and that is "more appealing that being sober" - they need to seek therapy and learn how to cope with something called "being a living person." It's disturbing that so many people don't want to be in-tune and aware. Is life really that bad? If so - seek help. Have problems - getting high won't fix them or improve your quality of life.
The problem is that it's so easy to get that feeling. You don't have to put any effort or thought into it. Yeah, it's groovy and all that but it's also a gigantic crutch to get to that blissed out state that we all need some times.
Don't get me wrong, I've probably sucked down a dumptruck full of the stuff over the years but to achieve that state via social interaction or meditation is just as rewarding without any of the negative effects.
The problem is that it's so easy to get that feeling. You don't have to put any effort or thought into it. Yeah, it's groovy and all that but it's also a gigantic crutch to get to that blissed out state that we all need some times.
Don't get me wrong, I've probably sucked down a dumptruck full of the stuff over the years but to achieve that state via social interaction or meditation is just as rewarding without any of the negative effects.
You need help if that's how you think about things. That is not 'living a life' - that is 'altering how you perceive life'.
Exercising, getting out of the house, relaxing in the sunshine, hanging out with friends, and doing all sort of non-mentally altered-state activities are the better way to enhance how you 'experience life' . . . What you're experiencing is 'fuzzy' and 'disorientation' and 'disassociation' as well as 'a disconnect' - that is not living.
Not my issue that you think that's 'fun' and 'mental exploration' (which is a load of bull in and of itself - you cannot explore your mind while you fry your synapses.)
I understand there are negative indirect problems with being high. I am asking what are the actual problems with feeling good, having an altered state of consciousness, feeling relaxed, and having fun? Yes, people can do bad things with drugs, but they can also do good things. There are lots of people who use drugs for fun and pay taxes, do their jobs, live their lives, and make the world a better place with their presence. I want to know why is it wrong to be high. I know the mistakes one can make or the problems that come from certain substances, but I want to know why someone being high pisses others off so much.
You need help if that's how you think about things. That is not 'living a life' - that is 'altering how you perceive life'.
Exercising, getting out of the house, relaxing in the sunshine, hanging out with friends, and doing all sort of non-mentally altered-state activities are the better way to enhance how you 'experience life' . . . What you're experiencing is 'fuzzy' and 'disorientation' and 'disassociation' as well as 'a disconnect' - that is not living.
Not my issue that you think that's 'fun' and 'mental exploration' (which is a load of bull in and of itself - you cannot explore your mind while you fry your synapses.)
If someone is getting high on something that's non-addictive, I don't think there's a thing wrong with it -- as long as they aren't hurting others -- like driving high or watching kids high or performing their jobs high. We alter our consciousness all the time with legal substances: alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, etc.
When we venture into the realm of addictive substances, then I think there's something wrong with it. Addiction leads to degradation...eventually. That old 1 is too many and 1,000 aren't enough.
Tobacco is such an addictive substance that I sincerely wish it were illegal. Too bad.
Certain drugs at certain times for certain people can be entirely positive. Drugs are always judged by its failures, not by its successes. Just as with anything in life, risks and rewards. Some of our gratest literature and other entertainment has been based on drug use for inspiration. So, it's certainly something that should be a personal decision.
The enduring legality of alcohol makes this entire anti-drug thing seem absurd. A nasty addicting drug that really, really, really alters your perceptions. Add to the list tobacco, which has no redeeming value at all. All you get to do is feed your addiction at great expense. Indeed, examine those two and many other drugs seem benign by comparison.
In older societies experienced shamans would guide a person or people through the process and celebrate it. Now we try to make the high seem like a bad thing. It is an experience like no other you can have here on earth in some cases. What is wrong with being that way?
No doubt you have already read DOWN THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM AND INTO THE COSMOS WITH MANTRA, TANTRA AND SPECKLEBANG and you grok Specklebang, so I'm sure you realize that I might have bumped into a Shaman or two.
As long as you remember to look at the objects and not be in them, drugs have their moments.
You need help if that's how you think about things. That is not 'living a life' - that is 'altering how you perceive life'.
Exercising, getting out of the house, relaxing in the sunshine, hanging out with friends, and doing all sort of non-mentally altered-state activities are the better way to enhance how you 'experience life' . . . What you're experiencing is 'fuzzy' and 'disorientation' and 'disassociation' as well as 'a disconnect' - that is not living.
Not my issue that you think that's 'fun' and 'mental exploration' (which is a load of bull in and of itself - you cannot explore your mind while you fry your synapses.)
You need help if that's how you think about things. That is not 'living a life' - that is 'altering how you perceive life'.
Exercising, getting out of the house, relaxing in the sunshine, hanging out with friends, and doing all sort of non-mentally altered-state activities are the better way to enhance how you 'experience life' . . . What you're experiencing is 'fuzzy' and 'disorientation' and 'disassociation' as well as 'a disconnect' - that is not living.
Not my issue that you think that's 'fun' and 'mental exploration' (which is a load of bull in and of itself - you cannot explore your mind while you fry your synapses.)
And why is wanting to get high once in a while mutually exclusive with going outside and getting fresh air? There are lots of hours in a day. I think there is time for both, wouldn't you say?
:shrug: The question is "what is actually wrong with being high" . . . and I gave my view.
Don't agree with me? That's fine. I fail to see what's wrong with wanting others to be alert and aware.
As long as you don't try to push your view on society like it's some sort of standard norm and thus should be legal and legitimized, and even preferable - there's no debate, just differing opinions.
You did do that, thank you. I do not agree with your point of view on this and think you should probably look a little deeper, but you did answer my question.
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