Fledermaus
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BUT WHAT ABOUT AMERICA............................The regime literally only exists because America destroyed Iran's democracy.
There is no Islamic Republic without Operation Ajax.
That is a historical fact.
That fact immensely triggering the usual suspects who cheerlead for US atrocities does not change it.
Again, without the US destroying Iran’s democracy there is no Islamic Republic. The whole event can be directly traced back to the US’ decision to do so.
The Iranian regime will not go quietly. It's going to be ugly for the protestors before it gets better.It’s no secret that the Islamic Republic of Iran is deeply unpopular in Iran, especially among the more educated and urban areas of the country (which are not insignificant). But some recent events, including overzealous enforcement of “morality” for a young woman accused of not covering her hair enough in public, are leading to an explosion of massive protests all over the country. And this time, it’s more than just limited to women, young people, or educated people. It seems to be across all sorts of demographics and social strata.
The protests are entering their 6th day now.
Of course, in the past, these protests have always been put down by massively brutal and deadly crackdowns by the regime. The government has already shut down the internet in the country. But this looks like it’s going to be as big as the “green movement” of 2009.
It’s interesting this is not being covered so much by western media. It might be the beginning of some big changes there. I guess we will see.
The regime literally only exists because America destroyed Iran's democracy.
The Iranian regime will not go quietly. It's going to be ugly for the protestors before it gets better.
Your “point” amounts to nothing more than mindless rage that America destroying Iran’s democracy, and therefore creating the current regime, is pointed out.
I don’t know if it’s that simple. A lot of Iranians in the late 1970s were deeply religious, and sincerely believed that a theocracy and following the guidance of God and heaven would be their salvation (not unlike many people here in the US today).
Not anymore. Reality can be a harsh teacher.
Iran's secular shift: new survey reveals huge changes in religious beliefs
A huge new online survey of Iranians reveals only 40% identify as Muslim.theconversation.com
Why Is Iran’s Secular Shift So Hard to Believe?
How two researchers got to the heart of a polling problem: the skewing effect of fear.nymag.com
There’s also the fact, again, that the brutality and corruption of the Shah’s regime enraged Iranians across the country, including many who had no interest in a theocracy.
Well, it was certainly out of the frying pan, into the fire for them.
Here’s to hoping that they can get themselves a decent democracy, soon…
It would also go a long way toward stabilizing that part of the world.
All true- and there certainly is good reasons for the ire. But then again, before the revolution, there was (and still is) a huge amount of pro-American and pro-western sentiment in Iran. I was surprised by this travel documentary by Rick Steves to Iran. It was fascinating to see with how much warmth and hospitality he was met with by Iranians on his visit there:Most of the fire was due to them being brutally invaded by Iraq, again with the US’ active support.
To the point when Iraq blew up a US Navy warship, the US blamed…..Iran.
Furthermore, the assumption that Iran becoming a democracy means it would become friendly with the US and its allies is a rather large one. People tend to forget these countries have a lot of valid reasons for not liking the West and it’s allies
More mindless whining because I pointed out the brutality of the Shay’s regime.
Apologists for American atrocities remain as triggered as ever.
The fact that the Iranians are good hosts, and don’t possess raving hatred towards every westerner they encounter, doesn’t change the fact that assuming they’ll just roll over for the US’ BFFs in Riyadh if democracy comes is nonsensical. And until or unless they do that, the US will always find a justification for hostility.All true- and there certainly is good reasons for the ire. But then again, before the revolution, there was (and still is) a huge amount of pro-American and pro-western sentiment in Iran. I was surprised by this travel documentary by Rick Steves to Iran. It was fascinating to see with how much warmth and hospitality he was met with by Iranians on his visit there:
After the recent loss of Iran's soccer team to the US, there was wild cheering and partying in the streets. I don't think this has any precedent in world history, where people cheer their home team losing. But they saw the soccer team not as their own, but as representative of the regime, and were chanting "they lied to us that America was the enemy. The real enemy is within."
Iranians Celebrate Soccer Team’s Loss to U.S. at World Cup
Iranians defied the country’s leaders who have attempted to use the tournament to rally support for the regime after months of protests.www.wsj.com
Hard to say, of course. But democracies on the whole tend to be much more stable and less prone to war and belligerence.
The fact that the Iranians are good hosts, and don’t possess raving hatred towards every westerner they encounter, doesn’t change the fact that assuming they’ll just roll over for the US’ BFFs in Riyadh if democracy comes is nonsensical. And until or unless they do that, the US will always find a justification for hostility.
…..the History of the US alone is enough to show that to be patently false.
Oh look, another pathetic tantrum because apologists for US atrocities can’t bear to face the fact the US is responsible for creating the regime in the first place.
“Modern Iran” doesn’t exist without the US destroying Iran’s democracy. That is a historical fact.
The fact that the Iranians are good hosts, and don’t possess raving hatred towards every westerner they encounter, doesn’t change the fact that assuming they’ll just roll over for the US’ BFFs in Riyadh if democracy comes is nonsensical.
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