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[W:128] Iran protests: could this be the beginning of the end for the Islamic Republic?

There is no Islamic Republic without Operation Ajax.

That is a historical fact.

That fact immensely triggering the usual suspects who cheerlead for US atrocities does not change it.
 
There is no Islamic Republic without Operation Ajax.

That is a historical fact.

That fact immensely triggering the usual suspects who cheerlead for US atrocities does not change it.

Blaming american actions of over eight deacades ago for actions of Iranians today is rather silly.
 
Again, without the US destroying Iran’s democracy there is no Islamic Republic. The whole event can be directly traced back to the US’ decision to do so.
 
mashiyat allah the regime dies, but i've learned the regime can brutalize for compliance
 
Your “point” amounts to nothing more than mindless rage that America destroying Iran’s democracy, and therefore creating the current regime, is pointed out.
 
It’s no secret that the Islamic Republic of Iran is deeply unpopular in Iran, especially among the more educated and urban areas of the country (which are not insignificant). But some recent events, including overzealous enforcement of “morality” for a young woman accused of not covering her hair enough in public, are leading to an explosion of massive protests all over the country. And this time, it’s more than just limited to women, young people, or educated people. It seems to be across all sorts of demographics and social strata.

The protests are entering their 6th day now.

Of course, in the past, these protests have always been put down by massively brutal and deadly crackdowns by the regime. The government has already shut down the internet in the country. But this looks like it’s going to be as big as the “green movement” of 2009.

It’s interesting this is not being covered so much by western media. It might be the beginning of some big changes there. I guess we will see.


The Iranian regime will not go quietly. It's going to be ugly for the protestors before it gets better.
 
The regime literally only exists because America destroyed Iran's democracy.

I don’t know if it’s that simple. A lot of Iranians in the late 1970s were deeply religious, and sincerely believed that a theocracy and following the guidance of God and heaven would be their salvation (not unlike many people here in the US today).

Not anymore. Reality can be a harsh teacher.


 
The Iranian regime will not go quietly. It's going to be ugly for the protestors before it gets better.

Their best hope is if the army turns against the regime, and refuses to obey commands, or if there is an outright military coup- similar to what happened in 1979. Absent that, I agree it’s going to be difficult.
 
Your “point” amounts to nothing more than mindless rage that America destroying Iran’s democracy, and therefore creating the current regime, is pointed out.

Who is this general nonsense directed towards?

You have zero knowledge as to what may or may not have transpired had the US not laid their hands on upon Iran.

None.

Iran's "democracy" may have lasted but scant years. It may have flourished. It may have turned into another autocracy or dictatorship.

You don't know.
 
Oh look, another tantrum because someone doesn’t like having to face the reality that the US destroying Iran’s democracy directly led to the current regime coming to power.

There is nothing hypothetical about pointing out the fact that Iran’s democracy didn’t get a chance to flourish because, like so many others, the US stamped it out.
 
I don’t know if it’s that simple. A lot of Iranians in the late 1970s were deeply religious, and sincerely believed that a theocracy and following the guidance of God and heaven would be their salvation (not unlike many people here in the US today).

Not anymore. Reality can be a harsh teacher.



There’s also the fact, again, that the brutality and corruption of the Shah’s regime enraged Iranians across the country, including many who had no interest in a theocracy.
 
There’s also the fact, again, that the brutality and corruption of the Shah’s regime enraged Iranians across the country, including many who had no interest in a theocracy.

Well, it was certainly out of the frying pan, into the fire for them.

Here’s to hoping that they can get themselves a decent democracy, soon…

It would also go a long way toward stabilizing that part of the world.
 
Well, it was certainly out of the frying pan, into the fire for them.

Here’s to hoping that they can get themselves a decent democracy, soon…

It would also go a long way toward stabilizing that part of the world.

Most of the fire was due to them being brutally invaded by Iraq, again with the US’ active support.

To the point when Iraq blew up a US Navy warship, the US blamed…..Iran.

Furthermore, the assumption that Iran becoming a democracy means it would become friendly with the US and its allies is a rather large one. People tend to forget these countries have a lot of valid reasons for not liking the West and it’s allies
 
Most of the fire was due to them being brutally invaded by Iraq, again with the US’ active support.

To the point when Iraq blew up a US Navy warship, the US blamed…..Iran.
All true- and there certainly is good reasons for the ire. But then again, before the revolution, there was (and still is) a huge amount of pro-American and pro-western sentiment in Iran. I was surprised by this travel documentary by Rick Steves to Iran. It was fascinating to see with how much warmth and hospitality he was met with by Iranians on his visit there:



After the recent loss of Iran's soccer team to the US, there was wild cheering and partying in the streets. I don't think this has any precedent in world history, where people cheer their home team losing. But they saw the soccer team not as their own, but as representative of the regime, and were chanting "they lied to us that America was the enemy. The real enemy is within."


Furthermore, the assumption that Iran becoming a democracy means it would become friendly with the US and its allies is a rather large one. People tend to forget these countries have a lot of valid reasons for not liking the West and it’s allies

Hard to say, of course. But democracies on the whole tend to be much more stable and less prone to war and belligerence.
 
More mindless whining because I pointed out the brutality of the Shay’s regime.

Apologists for American atrocities remain as triggered as ever.
 
All true- and there certainly is good reasons for the ire. But then again, before the revolution, there was (and still is) a huge amount of pro-American and pro-western sentiment in Iran. I was surprised by this travel documentary by Rick Steves to Iran. It was fascinating to see with how much warmth and hospitality he was met with by Iranians on his visit there:



After the recent loss of Iran's soccer team to the US, there was wild cheering and partying in the streets. I don't think this has any precedent in world history, where people cheer their home team losing. But they saw the soccer team not as their own, but as representative of the regime, and were chanting "they lied to us that America was the enemy. The real enemy is within."




Hard to say, of course. But democracies on the whole tend to be much more stable and less prone to war and belligerence.

The fact that the Iranians are good hosts, and don’t possess raving hatred towards every westerner they encounter, doesn’t change the fact that assuming they’ll just roll over for the US’ BFFs in Riyadh if democracy comes is nonsensical. And until or unless they do that, the US will always find a justification for hostility.

…..the History of the US alone is enough to show that to be patently false.
 
The fact that the Iranians are good hosts, and don’t possess raving hatred towards every westerner they encounter, doesn’t change the fact that assuming they’ll just roll over for the US’ BFFs in Riyadh if democracy comes is nonsensical. And until or unless they do that, the US will always find a justification for hostility.

…..the History of the US alone is enough to show that to be patently false.

BUT MURICA....
 
Oh look, another pathetic tantrum because apologists for US atrocities can’t bear to face the fact the US is responsible for creating the regime in the first place.

“Modern Iran” doesn’t exist without the US destroying Iran’s democracy. That is a historical fact.
 
Oh look, another pathetic tantrum because apologists for US atrocities can’t bear to face the fact the US is responsible for creating the regime in the first place.

“Modern Iran” doesn’t exist without the US destroying Iran’s democracy. That is a historical fact.

Childish stupid talk + BUT MURICA
 
Same ole tantrum because apologists for US atrocities can’t bear to face the reality that the US was the one who created the current regime.
 
The fact that the Iranians are good hosts, and don’t possess raving hatred towards every westerner they encounter, doesn’t change the fact that assuming they’ll just roll over for the US’ BFFs in Riyadh if democracy comes is nonsensical.

I don't think most everyday Iranians give a rat's behind about Riyadh, or Tel Aviv, or Syria, or Lebanon. All this provocation and destabilization of the geopolitics in the middle east is for purposes of personal power by the mullahs. I am fairly confident the tensions in the middle east, and all this funding of Hamas and Hezbollah and Yemeni rebels, etc... will stop if the mullahs are gone.
 
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