[W:1103] Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack on the country - Live Thread.

[Tigerace117]

Biden didn’t talk “restraint” when talking to Bibi. The US and all civilized countries are on board with a massive Israeli siege of Gaza. You mess with the bull you get the horn.

The US providing blind support for Israeli slaughter of Palestinian civilians is nothing new, which shows why it won’t change the slightest thing.

 

[RF667799]

When he was alive? The repression would tend to suggest yes, he did. Them blowing up Admiral Blanco— his designated successor— side wasn’t taken lightly.

All that repression and they still couldn’t stop the insurgents from killing arguably the most important man in the country. Gee, sounds an awful lot like that qualifies as “not working”.

When he was alive, he hadn't seen the end of his regime.

Your arguments are as inept, incoherent, disingenuous, and irrational as ever.

Have the last word as my gift to you and the forum.

 

[Mongidig]

All this evil in the name of God.

I wonder what average muslims think when they see these monsters shouting “Allah Akbar“ before they rape and kill Innocent civilians.

 

[Tigerace117]

When he was alive, he hadn't seen the end of his regime.

Your arguments are as inept, incoherent, disingenuous, and irrational as ever.

Have the last word as my gift to you and the forum.

He had seen insurgents continue to carry out attacks— including killing his successor— and no amount of repression was able to stop them.

As usual, you not liking the facts doesn’t change them.

 

[RF667799]

Absolutely relevant given that is what he was explicitly talking about.

When in a corner, just lie, eh? Maybe you can blame it on ignorance.

Take the last word on this one too.

 

[Mongidig]

The US providing blind support for Israeli slaughter of Palestinian civilians is nothing new, which shows why it won’t change the slightest thing.

Presidents in the past have urged restraint. Not this time.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Biden didn’t talk “restraint” when talking to Bibi. The US and all civilized countries are on board with a massive Israeli siege of Gaza. You mess with the bull you get the horn.

Plus we need to disabuse ourselves of the notion civilians are always innocent. You think people blowing away kids in car seats and displaying mutilated bodies on camera and uploading them with no attempt to hide their faces come from a culture that believes these acts to be wrong?

Like if look the Bucha massacre by the Russians. You can at least tell the Russians are embarrassed by it because they deny it and claim it was actually Ukraine that did it.

These Hamas fighters are openly posting their own war crimes, not masking their faces and they’re having a great time from the looks on their faces

 

[Tigerace117]

When in a corner, just lie, eh? Maybe you can blame it on ignorance.

Take the last word on this one too.

We know what happened when Israel was in Hamas’ position.

You not liking the facts still can’t change them.

 

[Tigerace117]

Presidents in the past have urged restraint. Not this time.

US blind support for Israel slaughtering civilians is nothing new.

 

[BirdinHand]

And not a bit of it will change anything.

I don’t know the outcome. What I do know is that in my lifetime, I don’t recall Israel EVER actually declaring war in this manner.

Yes - there have been wars and there have been plenty of operations. But this immediate, quick, outright declaration of actual war?

I don’t remember that previously.

 

[Mongidig]

Plus we need to disabuse ourselves of the notion civilians are always innocent. You think people blowing away kids in car seats and displaying mutilated bodies on camera and uploading them with no attempt to hide their faces come from a culture that believes these acts to be wrong?

Like if look the Bucha massacre by the Russians. You can at least tell the Russians are embarrassed by it because they deny it and claim it was actually Ukraine that did it.

These Hamas fighters are openly posting their own war crimes, not masking their faces and they’re having a great time from the looks on their faces

The visual of the hostages being paraded through Gaza with the citizens punching and spitting on these innocent people is all you need to know. I would bet a very high percentage of palestinians have loved what they have seen.

 

[Apocalypse]

Were the civilians at the concert and other areas armed? It was my understanding that that is a thing in Israel.

They were youngsters who go to rave parties that's not the type that's usually armed. There were several security officers securing the area but they couldn't handle the hordes of hundreds of Hamas gunmen that came in with their trucks. Some of the civilians managed to take weapons from terrorists who were neutralized and use them against the terrorists. There are several testimonies that show this. But not too many.

 

[SuperDS77]

Not by any sanctioned body, but by the general global foreign policy establishment.

Could you be more vague?

Isreal is regarded as untrustworthy and barbaric in some circles. In others, it is simply not trusted, owing to a history of flaunting international law, espionage, industrial espionage, smuggling and arms dealing. It has an atrocious human rights record.

IsrEAl, is regarded as trustworthy and peaceful in some circles. That islamist-sympathizing nations don't trust Israel is not shocking.

Others considered outside in the rogue state category include North Korea, Iran, Iraq under Sadaam, Apartied South Africa (which Isreal imitates). and Quadaffi’s Lydia.

Wow, just wow. You missed the Hitlerian comparison. / s

 

[SuperDS77]

You do understand that our "freedom fighters" or special forces are considered terrorists from the other side, right?

You do understand that they are incorrect in that assessment?

 

[jaypatriot]

The Palestinians, Arabs and Jews lived in small villages peacefully tending their small farms for centuries. Violence only erupted after Zionist Jews began buying up huge tracts of Palestinian land from the Ottomans, fulfilling their dreams of an exclusive Zionist Israel and driving Palestinian Arabs off the land.

There is no proof that Palestinians could not govern themselves?????

Are we placing blame here? Where or when have the Palestinians EVER shown the ability to govern themselves?

at this point, the Palestinian case requires an unflinching, honest look at 22 years of a political process in which the Palestinians failed to build a functioning state entity. The two semi-state Palestinian entities in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank are experiencing a dangerous process of state failure, and the international community is helpless in stopping it. It seems that without an organized, persistent, painstaking, and responsible state building process in which Israel plays an important part, there is no real hope for the development of these entities into functioning states, whether each on its own or together as one Palestinian state.

https://www.inss.org.il/publication/the-palestinian-authority-a-state-failure/

 

[911Sparky]

1,500 Hamas dead

Bodies of 1,500 Hamas fighters recovered in southern Israel as situation grows grimmer in Gaza

Strikes hit 200 targets overnight, including a military compound, a weapons warehouse, and an operational command post.

www.thestar.com

A good start.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

They were youngsters who go to rave parties that's not the type that's usually armed. There were several security officers securing the area but they couldn't handle the hordes of hundreds of Hamas gunmen that came in with their trucks. Some of the civilians managed to take weapons from terrorists who were neutralized and use them against the terrorists. There are several testimonies that show this. But not too many.

I am surprised there isn’t some kind of home guard type units at the Kibbutz’s. These settlements should absolutely have militias

 

[zincwarrior]

They were youngsters who go to rave parties that's not the type that's usually armed. There were several security officers securing the area but they couldn't handle the hordes of hundreds of Hamas gunmen that came in with their trucks. Some of the civilians managed to take weapons from terrorists who were neutralized and use them against the terrorists. There are several testimonies that show this. But not too many.

Thank you for the information. Are you there? My deepest condolences.

 

[Rumpelstil]

again rockets on tel aviv ….

 

[Spock]

You do understand that they are incorrect in that assessment?

God is on YOUR side, right?
I understand your entrenched bias and need to dehumanize the enemy. Typical indocrination of totalitarian countries, btw.

 

[jaypatriot]

Palestine never existed because the terms of the entities that exist there were imposed by foreigners then by a war that has never really resolved.

Your point is to blame it all on the Western powers who created Israel?
To which war are you referring ? WW II?
Be more specific.

 

[trixare4kids]

US blind support for Israel slaughtering civilians is nothing new.

What you have decided is US blind support for Israel slaughtering civilians is simply wrong. Israel has the absolute right to defend themselves from Hamas terrorism.

 

[jaypatriot]

I doubt that. They planned their attack meticulously, with the intension to inflict maximum civilian casualties, in the most horrific ways possible. The videos of dead bodies being dragged through the streets of Gaza are practically daring Israel to come in after them. A brutal IDF crackdown is exactly what Hamas wants, and Israel is playing right into their hands.

What choices do you think the Israelis have?
They lost hundreds or citizens.
Should they immediately ask for a cease fire while their citizens are held hostage? While their cities are burning?

 

[Tigerace117]

What you have decided is US blind support for Israel slaughtering civilians is simply wrong. Israel has the absolute right to defend themselves from Hamas terrorism.

Israel does not have the right to violate international law, no.

 

[braindrain]

It seems to have failed. It also seems to have failed as a deterrent to radicalization.

Hard to be sure, as I don't live in a world where they didn't blockade the Gaza strip immediately after leaving it.

So you do sort of admit that the blockade was in response to the actions of the Palestinian people. Though only in a round about way.

Well I guess a little progress is better then none.