Vietnam

[Redress]

I laugh at these lefties who live in a state of denial.........It happened....Guys coming back were spit on and called baby killers....The left who did this to our troops is to ashamed to admit it. They think if they deny it that it will go away........That wil never happen......Vietnam vets will never forget the Jane Fondas and John Kerrys of this country........


God Bless all the Vietnam Vets who were treated so badly and the 58,000 heroes on that wall in DC who made the ultimate sacrafice for their ungrateful country........

And according to you, I was doing all that when I was in diapers. When you say stupid ****, people are going to stop believing anything you say.

 

[disneydude]

And according to you, I was doing all that when I was in diapers. When you say stupid ****, people are going to stop believing anything you say.

Stop? When did they start? ;-)

 

[Superfly]

I was not aware that anyone had a duty or obligation to talk to you?

Yeah but the difference is that if he came back today, from Iraq or Afghanistan, they'd be treating him like royalty. How's that any different? Iraq is just as much a BS war as Vietnam, but they are treated so much better now than they were then.

 

[StillBallin75]

Yeah but the difference is that if he came back today, from Iraq or Afghanistan, they'd be treating him like royalty. How's that any different? Iraq is just as much a BS war as Vietnam, but they are treated so much better now than they were then.

Which is as it should be. Folks during the 60s and 70s had trouble distinguishing the war from the warriors. And yet our veterans generally speaking still aren't treated well enough, both by some Americans and by their own government.

 

[Superfly]

Of course they aren't. Nearly half of our homeless population are Vietnam era vets. You come back from Iraq and they give you a house. There's still a difference.

 

[cpgrad08]

With females now "equally" in the military, the draft will never again happen, as it is political suicide. Imagine yanking little Suzzie out of dance class, Mary out of the library or Hillary out of welfare la-la land and sending them to boot camp. The modern military relies little on unskilled ground troops (females especially), so draftees cost more to train than they are worth for the brief enlistments usually associated with the draft.

Unskilled really? Everybody that is ground troops consistently doing training in there MOSs and ground warfare. Grunts for example if they are not deployed are usually training and/or in the field getting ready for the next conflict. Also females are not equal what so ever in the military. They don't have to sign up for selective services and they have lower physical standards then males.

 

[cpgrad08]

Yeah but the difference is that if he came back today, from Iraq or Afghanistan, they'd be treating him like royalty. How's that any different? Iraq is just as much a BS war as Vietnam, but they are treated so much better now than they were then.

Royalty not really. Are we Vets treated better now yes, but I have ran into radical protesters that have called me baby killer, mass murder, hire thug for oil etc. I have had guy spit on me in the Sea-Tac airport when I was in my Service Alphas.

 

[haymarket]

I laugh at these lefties who live in a state of denial.........It happened....Guys coming back were spit on and called baby killers....The left who did this to our troops is to ashamed to admit it. They think if they deny it that it will go away........That wil never happen......Vietnam vets will never forget the Jane Fondas and John Kerrys of this country........


God Bless all the Vietnam Vets who were treated so badly and the 58,000 heroes on that wall in DC who made the ultimate sacrafice for their ungrateful country........

But yet nobody can find any verifiable evidence of such things actually happening even when rewards were offered.

Cause for pause I would say.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

The whole spitting on returning vets was long ago debunked as right wing myth.

this site by veterans should be read

Vietnam Veterans Against the War: THE VETERAN: Spitting on the Troops: Old Myth, New Rumors

and this

Guerrilla Explorer: Did Protestors Spit on Vietnam Veterans?

I will believe the recounts of a chief Master Sgt, who was a radio operator on AF1, his wife who was an army medic, and others I have spoken to than some idiotic web site and an activist group and it's useful idiots......

 

[haymarket]

Yeah but the difference is that if he came back today, from Iraq or Afghanistan, they'd be treating him like royalty. How's that any different? Iraq is just as much a BS war as Vietnam, but they are treated so much better now than they were then.

Having been born in 1949, I live through this era. Something started to happen several years after the Viet Nam episode ended. We seemed as a people - for the most part - to reach an accommodation with each other. Those on the left decided to honor the service of the men and women who served even though they disagreed with the war itself. Those who had supported the war, seemed to come to accept that it was not the wisest of foreign policy decisions and we should not have done it.

This accommodation by both sides but aside the terrible vitriolic divisions that were present in the Sixties and early Seventies.

I think this is a very different nation today and that partly explains your observation.

 

[haymarket]

I will believe the recounts of a chief Master Sgt, who was a radio operator on AF1, his wife who was an army medic, and others I have spoken to than some idiotic web site and an activist group and it's useful idiots......

A person has the right to BELIEVE what they want to BELIEVE simply because they opt to BELIEVE it if for no other reason that it already fits in with their own particular self adopted BELEIF system which needs no justification other than they choose to BELIEVE it.

As far as "useful idiots" go, no better description could be applied to the people who repeat the tales of spat upon Viet Nam vets when no proof is ever found despite lots of folks looking for it. You would think all that footage from all those newscrews at all those airports in all those cities would have uncovered such evidence if it exists.

But none has.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

But why would I not take steps to avoid the draft, or give my effort?

Because if you decide to take the cowardly way out and dodge the draft, some other mothers son would have to take your place, as a pacifist, you would be complacent in having someone else take a slot that was meant for you?

 

[haymarket]

Because if you decide to take the cowardly way out and dodge the draft, some other mothers son would have to take your place, as a pacifist, you would be complacent in having someone else take a slot that was meant for you?

What does that mean .... "dodge the draft"? Can you define it so we know what you are talking about.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Having been born in 1949, I live through this era. Something started to happen several years after the Viet Nam episode ended. We seemed as a people - for the most part - to reach an accommodation with each other. Those on the left decided to honor the service of the men and women who served even though they disagreed with the war itself. Those who had supported the war, seemed to come to accept that it was not the wisest of foreign policy decisions and we should not have done it.

This accommodation by both sides but aside the terrible vitriolic divisions that were present in the Sixties and early Seventies.

I think this is a very different nation today and that partly explains your observation.

what a crock of ****, you can see even in this forum, many of the far left loons contempt for service members and veterans.......

 

[haymarket]

what a crock of ****, you can see even in this forum, many of the far left loons contempt for service members and veterans.......

So you too lived through that era and came of age at that time? Do please share your observations of that time.

I see no contempt for the service of anyone. I certainly have only thanks for those individuals.

Perhaps you could quote it from people you call "far left loons"?

Perhaps you can define in the same post what "a draft dodger" is also?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

A person has the right to BELIEVE what they want to BELIEVE simply because they opt to BELIEVE it if for no other reason that it already fits in with their own particular self adopted BELEIF system which needs no justification other than they choose to BELIEVE it.

Sorry, I believe the words of honorable veterans, than that of cowards, activists, and draft dodgers as you linked to. :shrug:

As far as "useful idiots" go, no better description could be applied to the people who repeat the tales of spat upon Viet Nam vets when no proof is ever found despite lots of folks looking for it. You would think all that footage from all those newscrews at all those airports in all those cities would have uncovered such evidence if it exists.

But none has.

hmm.....



how you can be so blatantly hypocritical without any remorse is stunning, I remember when you were slandering the tea party over this incident.


'Tea party' protesters accused of spitting on lawmaker, using slurs


Yet, we are supposed to take thier word of the incident. =but not independent claims from a myriad of veterans that they were spit upon? It's amazing how much a blind idealouge you are.

Note, no one called you an idiot, you should learn to read, I demand, you afford me the same respect and not suggest, that I or other veterans are "idiots" for stating thier evidence. Insulting troops and veterans, is pretty low.,

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

So you too lived through that era and came of age at that time? Do please share your observations of that time.

I see no contempt for the service of anyone.

Perhaps you could quote it from people you call "far left loons"?

Perhaps you can define in the same post what "a draft dodger" is also?

I am sorry, but I won't be baited into a vegas violation, you should change your tact, it's far too transparent, kid.

 

[Navy Pride]

And according to you, I was doing all that when I was in diapers. When you say stupid ****, people are going to stop believing anything you say.

Not true people that believe like you that Veterans don't deserve their pensions and that it is some kind of gift from the government.... I would hope that you as a vet yourself would have been n the side of those beave women and children.

 

[haymarket]

I am sorry, but I won't be baited into a vegas violation, you should change your tact, it's far too transparent, kid.

Vegas violation!?!?!?!?!?!?

Is that what you did on the previous page when you posted this?

Because if you decide to take the cowardly way out and dodge the draft, some other mothers son would have to take your place, as a pacifist, you would be complacent in having someone else take a slot that was meant for you?

I hardly think a definition of a term you used here - and you chose to use it intentionally and deliberately - hardly constitutes any sort of Vegas violation. And if it does, you already crossed the line it would seem.

So how about it? Can you define the very term you brought up on your own power? What is a "draft dodger"?

 

[Navy Pride]

But yet nobody can find any verifiable evidence of such things actually happening even when rewards were offered.

Cause for pause I would say.

What planet are you from? do you even read the posts of other members documenting it...........You my left wing friend are in a total state of denial...It probably makes you sleep better at night......

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Vegas violation!?!?!?!?!?!?

Is that what you did on the previous page when you posted this?



I hardly think a definition of a term you used here - and you chose to use it intentionally and deliberately - hardly constitutes any sort of Vegas violation. And if it does, you already crossed the line it would seem.

So how about it? Can you define the very term you brought up on your own power? What is a "draft dodger"?

uhm I wasn't talking to, or about you.... Seriously dude, get a grip.

 

[iguanaman]

sure..... whatever .... okay..... got it ..... :roll::roll:

reality says otherwise

PART TWO: Spitting Image: this Legacy of Vietnam is a MYTH | Veterans Today

From your link.....................

That said, we challenge any believer in this myth to show documented proof (photos or news paper archives) that show any Vietnam Era or War Veteran being spit on as they return from any overseas tour during the Vietnam War. We mean actually spitting on them NOT shunning them or putting them down as most mainstream VSOs did back in the day. This of course could be spun into a form of spitting on Veterans.

Indeed it was reported that one Soldier wrote angrily to Nixon's Vice President Spiro Agnew that the only Americans who seemed concerned about the Soldier's welfare were the anti-war activists. While Veterans were sometimes made to feel uncomfortable about their service, this sense of unease was, Lembcke argues, more often rooted in the political practices of the Right. Tracing a range of conflicts in the twentieth century, Lembcke the Sociology Professor illustrates how regimes engaged in unpopular conflicts often vilify their domestic opponents for "stabbing the boys in the back."

Ok all you vets. Show the proof or shut up. Us protestors were trying to bring you home alive, if you call that disrespect so be it.

 

[haymarket]

Sorry, I believe the words of honorable veterans, than that of cowards, activists, and draft dodgers as you linked to. :shrug:






hmm.....



how you can be so blatantly hypocritical without any remorse is stunning, I remember when you were slandering the tea party over this incident.


'Tea party' protesters accused of spitting on lawmaker, using slurs


Yet, we are supposed to take thier word of the incident. =but not independent claims from a myriad of veterans that they were spit upon? It's amazing how much a blind idealouge you are.

Note, no one called you an idiot, you should learn to read, I demand, you afford me the same respect and not suggest, that I or other veterans are "idiots" for stating thier evidence. Insulting troops and veterans, is pretty low.,

First - the tea party has not one thing to do with the false charge of spitting on Viet Nam vets. Unless of course, the element of spit somehow is the glue that holds them together. In that case, you need to like to lots of chewing tobacco sites.

Second, I linked to websites and evidence from MILITARY VETERANS. Your false characterization is clearly erroneous and ridiculous.

Third, it was YOU who used the term USEFUL IDIOTS. I would expect you would know that the term is indeed a political one used to describe a well meaning person who is duped to carrying out the nefarious wishes of others. Nobody called anybody an idiot - which is a whole different thing.

You told me this

you should learn to read

Your comment reminds me of the old adage about when you point the finger at somebody else, you have three more of your own pointing right back at you.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

From your link.....................




Ok all you vets. Show the proof or shut up.

Ahh, telling veterans and troops to STFU, stay classy, you. :thumbs:


I bet you were another one who think the tea party spat on and called those NBC members racist names. Yes?

 

[Navy Pride]

Yeah but the difference is that if he came back today, from Iraq or Afghanistan, they'd be treating him like royalty. How's that any different? Iraq is just as much a BS war as Vietnam, but they are treated so much better now than they were then.

I wonder how many of my left wing friends even watched the video clip......I am so glad that the guys coming back led by President Bush who meets the planes coming back all the time are treated well......