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U.S. clashes with France over Palestinians status at UN [W:92]

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U.S. clashes with France over Palestinians status at UN | The Raw Story
The United States publicly disagreed with France, one of its closest allies, on Tuesday, after Paris said it would back a Palestinian bid for enhanced status at the United Nations.
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The proposal is set to sail through as it has the backing of the majority of the UN’s 193 member states, with diplomats predicting that between 11 and 15 EU countries could back the Palestinian proposal.
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about damn time
 
France, like any sovereign state, is free to choose its position on the issue.

Even as the UN General Assembly resolution is likely to pass, it won't make a constructive contribution to the peace process. If anything, it will undermine it, as it will have rewarded the Palestinians for circumventing the negotiating table. In response, Israel might well take some unilateral measures of its own. If so, the UN General Assembly and Palestinians might complain, but it won't make a difference. The UN General Assembly will have provoked such a situation. Palestinian unilateralism would have been met by Israeli unilateralism. Israeli, unlike the Palestinians, has the power to enforce such steps as it might take. In the end, such an outcome would have widened the differences between the parties and, in doing so, further undermined prospects for a negotiated settlement.
 
apdst said:
About damn time that a terrorist state gained more UN status? How's that a good thing??
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Mind explaining how Palestine is a terrorist state? Hamas is a terrorist organization, but is not representative of all of Palestine.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Mind explaining how Palestine is a terrorist state? Hamas is a terrorist organization, but is not representative of all of Palestine.
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Hamas is the majority party. What's to explain?
 
apdst said:
Hamas is the majority party. What's to explain?
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What's to explain is that Hamas just recently stated that they would agree to a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders and end violence. (Mashaal: I accept a Palestinian state on '... JPost - Middle East)

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal declared a position on Palestinian statehood that is nearly identical to that of his Fatah rival, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, in an interview with CNN aired Wednesday.

"I accept a Palestinian state according [to] the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as the capital, with the right to return," the Hamas leader told Christine Amanpour in Cairo.

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Mashaal, whose interview appeared to move his positions closer and closer toward the positions of the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority with whom Israel has conducted numerous round of negotiations, also spoke about Hamas's use of violence and terrorism.

Asked if Hamas is willing to renounce violence, he said, "We are ready to resort to a peaceful way, purely peaceful way without blood or weapons."

Such a move, however, would be conditional on the attainment of Palestinian national demands, namely, "the elimination of occupation and the (creation of a) Palestinian state and ending the occupation and the wall."​
 
Wiggen said:
Nothing like lobbing a bunch of unguided missiles into Israel to 'enhance your status' at the UN.
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Yea, with Israel being so innocent, lily white, and pure and all.....
 
SMTA said:
Yea, with Israel being so innocent, lily white, and pure and all.....
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Which has nothing to do with the point. Lob unguided missiles into Israel, kill a few Jews, and be rewarded with 'enhanced status' at the UN. But then when you have a group of people that voluntarily elected a terrorist organization to run their affairs, what else can you expect?

They ought to fit in pretty well at the UN.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
What's to explain is that Hamas just recently stated that they would agree to a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders and end violence. (Mashaal: I accept a Palestinian state on '... JPost - Middle East)

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal declared a position on Palestinian statehood that is nearly identical to that of his Fatah rival, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, in an interview with CNN aired Wednesday.

"I accept a Palestinian state according [to] the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as the capital, with the right to return," the Hamas leader told Christine Amanpour in Cairo.

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Mashaal, whose interview appeared to move his positions closer and closer toward the positions of the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority with whom Israel has conducted numerous round of negotiations, also spoke about Hamas's use of violence and terrorism.

Asked if Hamas is willing to renounce violence, he said, "We are ready to resort to a peaceful way, purely peaceful way without blood or weapons."

Such a move, however, would be conditional on the attainment of Palestinian national demands, namely, "the elimination of occupation and the (creation of a) Palestinian state and ending the occupation and the wall."​
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Their conditions are ludicrous and they know it.
 
Next thing you know it will be; FREEDOM FOR SOMALIA - bring them to the table...they are just poor pirates at sea. They need to eat and support their loved ones.

Who cares if they carve up anyone who passes their way.

Poor Somalians...and let's have El Shabbab at the table while we are at it...
 
Syria is in a major mess and Hamas has it's hands out and its feathers ruffled because Syria is busy raising their own Caine.

Who to get armaments from now???? *sigh*
 
Wiggen said:
Which has nothing to do with the point. Lob unguided missiles into Israel, kill a few Jews, and be rewarded with 'enhanced status' at the UN. But then when you have a group of people that voluntarily elected a terrorist organization to run their affairs, what else can you expect?

They ought to fit in pretty well at the UN.
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It has everything to do with the point.

Israel has started their own share of crappola over the years, and are far from innocent themselves.

They were being portrayed as the innocent victims, hence my response.

In many cases, they have reaped what they have sown.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
What's to explain is that Hamas just recently stated that they would agree to a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders and end violence. (Mashaal: I accept a Palestinian state on '... JPost - Middle East)

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal declared a position on Palestinian statehood that is nearly identical to that of his Fatah rival, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, in an interview with CNN aired Wednesday.

"I accept a Palestinian state according [to] the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as the capital, with the right to return," the Hamas leader told Christine Amanpour in Cairo.

[...]

Mashaal, whose interview appeared to move his positions closer and closer toward the positions of the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority with whom Israel has conducted numerous round of negotiations, also spoke about Hamas's use of violence and terrorism.

Asked if Hamas is willing to renounce violence, he said, "We are ready to resort to a peaceful way, purely peaceful way without blood or weapons."

Such a move, however, would be conditional on the attainment of Palestinian national demands, namely, "the elimination of occupation and the (creation of a) Palestinian state and ending the occupation and the wall."​
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The 1967 borders are the problem, with good reason. It would leave Israel with an indefensible position.
 
Most of the world is tired of being frakked in the butt by the Zionists. Many of the butt hurt are in France.
 
apdst said:
The 1967 borders are the problem, with good reason. It would leave Israel with an indefensible position.
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Really? How so? They made pretty damn well when they didn't have the '67 borders.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Mind explaining how Palestine is a terrorist state? Hamas is a terrorist organization, but is not representative of all of Palestine.
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Cmon man. Dont use this very formal logic..
 
About ****ing time. About time more and more powerful Western nations support Palestinian statehood.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
What's to explain is that Hamas just recently stated that they would agree to a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders and end violence.
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If I were Israel, I would never agree to the '67 borders. That makes them highly vulnerable, but the Palestinians are just using that to make it look like they are the good guys, and the Israelis are being unreasonable.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Really? How so? They made pretty damn well when they didn't have the '67 borders.
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They hadn't been invaded prior to 1967. So, "doing pretty damn well", is pretty irrelevant.
 
apdst said:
The 1967 borders are the problem, with good reason. It would leave Israel with an indefensible position.
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How so? If we take the settlements out of the picture and have land swaps for those settlements near the border, then how is the 1967 border "indefensible"?
 
PeteEU said:
How so? If we take the settlements out of the picture and have land swaps for those settlements near the border, then how is the 1967 border "indefensible"?
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Because it loses strategic hills and other positions. That's why.

That being said, this "conflict" and this story won't solve squat. The only way to resolve the middle eastern crisis is to have the israelis come to terms with the arabs and that requires reason and partnership. Something both sides lack. No external pressure or force can "arrange" things.
 
Rainman05 said:
Because it loses strategic hills and other positions. That's why.
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Err no because Israel has built its settlements on this hills and positions for the most part, and those will be part of a swap deal. And if you are referring to the Golan Heights, then that is between Syria and Israel, not Israel and the Palestinians.

That being said, this "conflict" and this story won't solve squat. The only way to resolve the middle eastern crisis is to have the israelis come to terms with the arabs and that requires reason and partnership. Something both sides lack. No external pressure or force can "arrange" things.
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On that I agree fully.
 
PeteEU said:
How so? If we take the settlements out of the picture and have land swaps for those settlements near the border, then how is the 1967 border "indefensible"?
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It takes away the "depth" needed to maneuver heavy combat forces, putting Israel at a tactical disadvantage.
 
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