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I've lost track of how many Navy commanders have been relieved of their commands during the past four years. Have even lost track for this year, I know it's well over twenty and there's still three more months left in the year.
I don't know what ****ty service you were in, but in the Army, falsifying documents is a serious offense. I have absolutely no idea why you would defend that or make this one of your idiotic "it's Obama's PC" cases. For the second guy, they said he had poor leadership and poor command climate, which means he was being a terrible leader and making his sailors' lives miserable. Are you also opposed to military leaders ever being relieved, no matter how incompetent they are? Unbelievable.
In Apache's case I think it is quite simple, he only has one drum and only knows one beat.
Falsifying multiple records seems to be the one Officer's offense. Being an incompetent prick the other's. Usually Apache makes it about 'social engineering' and attacking GAWD fearing folks, but I guess he thinks officers can do no wrong and should slide through no matter what...
Some would see this as bold, long overdue house cleaning. I guess others see a bit of gold braid and think the wearer is semi-sacred... :roll:
Yeah, I'm struggling with what's supposed to be "PC" about these cases.
I don't know what ****ty service you were in, but in the Army, falsifying documents is a serious offense. I have absolutely no idea why you would defend that or make this one of your idiotic "it's Obama's PC" cases.
For the second guy, they said he had poor leadership and poor command climate, which means he was being a terrible leader and making his sailors' lives miserable. Are you also opposed to military leaders ever being relieved, no matter how incompetent they are? Unbelievable.
I missed the PC claim in the other thread. But come on...companies can't bribe government officials with prostitutes anymore?? Political correctness gone amuck!In right wing circles, calling anything that happens to the military "PC" is the "in" thing to do
In another thread, MMC called the sacking of military officers for being involved in defrauding the Navy "PC"
Argument here seems to be "two hospital ship captains got relieved and this has never happened before! Therefore Aliens. And PC and Obama."
I don't know what ****ty service you were in, but in the Army, falsifying documents is a serious offense. I have absolutely no idea why you would defend that or make this one of your idiotic "it's Obama's PC" cases.
For the second guy, they said he had poor leadership and poor command climate, which means he was being a terrible leader and making his sailors' lives miserable. Are you also opposed to military leaders ever being relieved, no matter how incompetent they are? Unbelievable.
I'm not defending the Captain who falsified his records, Like I even the U.S. Navy Institute are asking why are there all of a sudden so many navy commanders being relieved of their commands ? When the Navy had a 900 or even a 600 ship fleet there were less commanders walking the plank than today with a fleet at it's smallest size since 1916, less than 300 ships and the majority aren't even able to put to sea and fight.
And it's just not the Navy but all four branches of the service. Why are members of the service doing things today that they weren't or wouldn't have been doing five years ago ? Like MCC thread about the naval officers who were taking bribes.
This is where the fish rots from the head comes in. Obama is redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military. If your an officer and in some case a SNCO and your not politically correct enough for the left, your going to be targeted.
The fact are those serving in the military don't respect their Cn'C. If the Cn'C don't respect them how do you expect those who serve under his command to respect him. Even in the military respect has to be earned.
Just awhile back the Marine commander of all Marine bases on Hawaii was relieved of his command for poor leadership and poor command climate. What finally came out was he was fired over pigs. That's right pigs. He was relieved of his command as a political payback to PETA by Obama.
Today when you see "poor leadership and poor command climate" or loss of confidence it's probably not something for some strange reason just began, it's for not being politically correct enough for todays new PC military. You have thousands of career officers who are scared to talk and they all look at each other wondering who's next on the Obama hit list ?
Now half of these walking the planks have to do with sexual misconduct. True, years ago there was no big problem because it was before social engineering. Congress and the activist didn't take the time to think what will be the consequences using the military for social engineering ? Today you are seeing the consequences and there's nothing you can do about it, it's biological science and no matter how hard the left uses revisionism and tries to rewrite science, boys and girls are going to be attracted to each other.
I'm not defending the Captain who falsified his records, Like I even the U.S. Navy Institute are asking why are there all of a sudden so many navy commanders being relieved of their commands ? When the Navy had a 900 or even a 600 ship fleet there were less commanders walking the plank than today with a fleet at it's smallest size since 1916, less than 300 ships and the majority aren't even able to put to sea and fight.
And it's just not the Navy but all four branches of the service. Why are members of the service doing things today that they weren't or wouldn't have been doing five years ago ? Like MCC thread about the naval officers who were taking bribes.
This is where the fish rots from the head comes in. Obama is redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military. If your an officer and in some case a SNCO and your not politically correct enough for the left, your going to be targeted.
The fact are those serving in the military don't respect their Cn'C. If the Cn'C don't respect them how do you expect those who serve under his command to respect him. Even in the military respect has to be earned.
Just awhile back the Marine commander of all Marine bases on Hawaii was relieved of his command for poor leadership and poor command climate. What finally came out was he was fired over pigs. That's right pigs. He was relieved of his command as a political payback to PETA by Obama.
Today when you see "poor leadership and poor command climate" or loss of confidence it's probably not something for some strange reason just began, it's for not being politically correct enough for todays new PC military. You have thousands of career officers who are scared to talk and they all look at each other wondering who's next on the Obama hit list ?
Now half of these walking the planks have to do with sexual misconduct. True, years ago there was no big problem because it was before social engineering. Congress and the activist didn't take the time to think what will be the consequences using the military for social engineering ? Today you are seeing the consequences and there's nothing you can do about it, it's biological science and no matter how hard the left uses revisionism and tries to rewrite science, boys and girls are going to be attracted to each other.
Argument here seems to be "two hospital ship captains got relieved and this has never happened before! Therefore Aliens. And PC and Obama."
When you say things like the pigs thing, you sound like a conspiracy theorist. That's a really, really weak connection your'e drawing with everything here.I'm not defending the Captain who falsified his records, Like I even the U.S. Navy Institute are asking why are there all of a sudden so many navy commanders being relieved of their commands ? When the Navy had a 900 or even a 600 ship fleet there were less commanders walking the plank than today with a fleet at it's smallest size since 1916, less than 300 ships and the majority aren't even able to put to sea and fight.
And it's just not the Navy but all four branches of the service. Why are members of the service doing things today that they weren't or wouldn't have been doing five years ago ? Like MCC thread about the naval officers who were taking bribes.
This is where the fish rots from the head comes in. Obama is redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military. If your an officer and in some case a SNCO and your not politically correct enough for the left, your going to be targeted.
The fact are those serving in the military don't respect their Cn'C. If the Cn'C don't respect them how do you expect those who serve under his command to respect him. Even in the military respect has to be earned.
Just awhile back the Marine commander of all Marine bases on Hawaii was relieved of his command for poor leadership and poor command climate. What finally came out was he was fired over pigs. That's right pigs. He was relieved of his command as a political payback to PETA by Obama.
Today when you see "poor leadership and poor command climate" or loss of confidence it's probably not something for some strange reason just began, it's for not being politically correct enough for todays new PC military. You have thousands of career officers who are scared to talk and they all look at each other wondering who's next on the Obama hit list ?
Now half of these walking the planks have to do with sexual misconduct. True, years ago there was no big problem because it was before social engineering. Congress and the activist didn't take the time to think what will be the consequences using the military for social engineering ? Today you are seeing the consequences and there's nothing you can do about it, it's biological science and no matter how hard the left uses revisionism and tries to rewrite science, boys and girls are going to be attracted to each other.
Thats been the observation, so many commanders being sacked than in the past and our military is half of it's size today.
Remember, this all just began a few years ago. These officers who are walking the plank for what ever reasons have twenty to thirty years of service under their belts.
What's different today than five years ago ?
Heck, there have been a lot of COs who have gotten away with a lot of stuff that is completely inappropriate. Prior to getting on the Lincoln, the guys told me the CO they had just before it wasted all sorts of government money and ship's time to further his own political aspirations, including taking the ship to Santa Barbara (we were stationed in WA and Santa Barbara isn't exactly a normal port for the Navy, particularly not an aircraft carrier) in order for him to attend a political function and redecorated his state room right after knowing that it had already been redecorated by the previous CO (tradition in the Navy is that the leaving CO redecorates the state room for the oncoming CO) (both done with Navy funding).
What's the lure of Santa Barbara and ships captains ? Is there a top secret goats locker club or a secret captains brothel in Santa Barbara ?
Back in the early 60's one day the CVS USS Bennington showed up offshore of Santa Barbara and dropped anchor. They lowered the captains launch and he came ashore.
Back in the 90's one weekend a LHA or LHD was anchored off shore and there was a LCU on the beach. The papers never mentioned if Clinton had ordered the invasion of Santa Barbara. And I can't picture Barbra Streisand throwing a party for the Navy.
Maybe there's a top secret military installation hidden within the city of Santa Barbara ?
BTW, did the ships crew on the Lincoln get shore leave in Santa Barbara ?
Actually it's not that uncommon to see navy ships anchored offshore of Santa Barbara. No one really knows why but with the close proximity to Point Mugu NAS and Port Hueneme and the channel islands just offshore where the navy does all kinds of stuff who knows what's going on in Santa Barbara ?
When you say things like the pigs thing, you sound like a conspiracy theorist. That's a really, really weak connection your'e drawing with everything here.
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And from the info I got, it is possible that it is a place with high political influence.
I think you're on track. The last bastion of conservatives have taken up refuge overlooking Santa Barbara in Montecito Heights but some how Oprah and Ellen Degeneres snuck in disguised as illegal alien toilet cleaners and are now well entrenched and standing their ground.
Any neighborhood where the average person can't even afford to eat at the local greasy spoon and is overpopulated with liberals at night and illegal alien gardeners, toilet cleaners and nannies during the day usually has a high political influence.
Possibly. However, this would have started many decades ago, from your own stories and my own experience (my ship would have been in the first part of 2000). But it doesn't make what they are doing right. I don't care what political affiliation they are or what are current military affairs are (at the time, no wars, a selling point I used to appease my own mother), it is wrong to waste money, taxpayer money, on the political ambitions of a ship's captain.
So what's the point of this article other than to NOT actually tell us why these officers were relieved and insinuate that somehow political correctness and Obama are to blame for all the Navy's failures while failing to make any argument of substance?
But that's the point of all of his posts!
So what's the point of this article other than to NOT actually tell us why these officers were relieved and insinuate that somehow political correctness and Obama are to blame for all the Navy's failures while failing to make any argument of substance?
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