Two more Navy Capatains walk the PC Navy's plank

[specklebang]

Obama is the commander-in-chief. A commander is responsible for the conduct of the men under his command.

The higher frequency of impropriety among the officer corps of our military goes to show how Obama's lack of leadership has caused a break down in discipline.

..or it could show less tolerance for the endless misbehavior and bribery. You could just as easily credit Obama for demanding real enforcement. Just saying...

 

[APACHERAT]

Obama is the commander-in-chief. A commander is responsible for the conduct of the men under his command.

The higher frequency of impropriety among the officer corps of our military goes to show how Obama's lack of leadership has caused a break down in discipline.

And that's where "A fish stinks from the head down" comes into play.

The atmosphere in almost every branch of government including the DoD and all four branches of the military is as if nobody is in charge during the current administration.

 

[Perotista]

I missed the PC claim in the other thread. But come on...companies can't bribe government officials with prostitutes anymore?? Political correctness gone amuck!



Well, ok, now it all makes perfect sense.

Prostitutes - In the old army its motto was "Work Hard and Play Hard." I did both, drank like a sieve and had my share of bar girls in places like Bangkok, Vientiane and Saigon. It use to be when you reported to a new unit, if you had a fat mess sergeant and a skinny supply sergeant, you knew you were going to a good unit. The food would be great and the supply sergeant could get you what ever you needed when you needed.

But the army changed, they frown on smoking, drinking, whoring, fat people which they will discharge, etc. I am glad I served when I did. But with all the new modern technology toys the army has, change was what it had to do and did, whether I believe in that change or not.

 

[APACHERAT]

..or it could show less tolerance for the endless misbehavior and bribery. You could just as easily credit Obama for demanding real enforcement. Just saying...

Obama like most liberals, progressives and socialist are reactive aka progressive enforcement. Reacting after the fact. Reacting after a crime or accident has already been committed.

The left rejects proactive enforcement, preventing crime, using profiling and jacking up bad guys before they have a chance to violate regulations or the law.

 

[Manc Skipper]

President Obama is cutting the head off Bush's stinking fish yet you complain. I wonder why?

 

[specklebang]

Obama like most liberals, progressives and socialist are reactive aka progressive enforcement. Reacting after the fact. Reacting after a crime or accident has already been committed.

The left rejects proactive enforcement, preventing crime, using profiling and jacking up bad guys before they have a chance to violate regulations or the law.

Do you realize how absurd your statement is? You suggest a world where crime is prevented by arresting, detaining, harassing people who haven't committed a crime yet?

No wonder the right, if their attitude is like yours, is sinking into oblivion. Jacking up and profiling Generals and Admirals - what a concept.

God help us if someone like you ever gets in charge. Maybe you're just pulling my leg? Did you watch Minority Report more than once?

 

[APACHERAT]

Do you realize how absurd your statement is? You suggest a world where crime is prevented by arresting, detaining, harassing people who haven't committed a crime yet?

No wonder the right, if their attitude is like yours, is sinking into oblivion. Jacking up and profiling Generals and Admirals - what a concept.

God help us if someone like you ever gets in charge. Maybe you're just pulling my leg? Did you watch Minority Report more than once?

Sounds like you have no experience let aloan any knowledge of law enforcement.

There are two forms of LE. Proactive law enforcement, the kind the left hates. Where law enforcement officers are peace officer. They keep the peace. Their objective is preventing crime and keeping the peace. To do that profiling is a must. Jacking up known criminals letting them know who's town it is. Keeping a high profile to deter criminal activity.

Reactive LE is known as progressive law enforcement because it's political, usually the Chief of Police of these agencies are appointed by liberal/progressive city councils. They react to crime after it has already happened. They usually refuse to uphold the oath of office they took to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. They refuse to enforce federal laws. They forbid their officers to profile or to jack up known felons. They don't keep the peace so they aren't peace officer. They are more in line as socialist gestapo.

Many if not a majority of these political liberal/progressive police chiefs belong to the"Police Executive Research Forum" (PERF) aka "National Organization of Progressive Police Executives"
What the MSM Didn't Tell You About Holder and the Police Chiefs

If you live in a high crime neighborhood, it's very likely your police department practices progressive/reactive law enforcement and the Chief probably belongs to the PERF.
Their membership is kept below the surface but meet with Attorney General Eric Holder on a regular bases.

 

[specklebang]

Sounds like you have no experience let aloan any knowledge of law enforcement.

There are two forms of LE. Proactive law enforcement, the kind the left hates. Where law enforcement officers are peace officer. They keep the peace. Their objective is preventing crime and keeping the peace. To do that profiling is a must. Jacking up known criminals letting them know who's town it is. Keeping a high profile to deter criminal activity.

Reactive LE is known as progressive law enforcement because it's political, usually the Chief of Police of these agencies are appointed by liberal/progressive city councils. They react to crime after it has already happened. They usually refuse to uphold the oath of office they took to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. They refuse to enforce federal laws. They forbid their officers to profile or to jack up known felons. They don't keep the peace so they aren't peace officer. They are more in line as socialist gestapo.

Many if not a majority of these political liberal/progressive police chiefs belong to the"Police Executive Research Forum" (PERF) aka "National Organization of Progressive Police Executives"
What the MSM Didn't Tell You About Holder and the Police Chiefs

If you live in a high crime neighborhood, it's very likely your police department practices progressive/reactive law enforcement and the Chief probably belongs to the PERF.
Their membership is kept below the surface but meet with Attorney General Eric Holder on a regular bases.

Uh, lets go back to the OP for a moment.

Is the Pentagon a "high crime" neighborhood? Should we start "jacking up" these officers? It's OK by me but it seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

[APACHERAT]

Uh, lets go back to the OP for a moment.

Is the Pentagon a "high crime" neighborhood? Should we start "jacking up" these officers? It's OK by me but it seems like a bit of a stretch.

I'm willing to say more people have been murdered on U.S. military installations in the CONUS during the last four years of the Obama administration than during the last four years of the Bush administration.

If we are too believe the social engineering activist, more rapes have occurred in the military during the Obama last four years than during any other time. But the left can't get it through their skulls, their social engineering was the consequence of the increase of sexual assaults.

With all of the social engineering taking place with in the military in the past 4 2/3 years and incompetency at the top, many in the officers corps no longer give a ####. May explain why a Navy Captain would lie about his weight or a Navy Commander excepted bribes. It's gotten to the point officers and SNCO's are just punching the time clock and hoping they can get enough years in to retire before they are targeted by Obama and his D0D.

In the past four years there have been many flag officers and field officers, ship, squadron and base commanders relieved of their commands and the reason given raises eye brows. As if Obama is going after commanders and relieving them of their commands because they aren't politically correct enough to make room for advancements of Obama Moron Officer Corps that are now filling the ranks of our military services.

Obama's agenda and he has publicly stated it, is to "redefine the purpose and character" of the U.S. military. That's right out of Joseph Stalin's playbook.

For the first time in the history of the American military there are now political officers in the ranks. They are called diversity officers.

 

[roguenuke]

I'm willing to say more people have been murdered on U.S. military installations in the CONUS during the last four years of the Obama administration than during the last four years of the Bush administration.

If we are too believe the social engineering activist, more rapes have occurred in the military during the Obama last four years than during any other time. But the left can't get it through their skulls, their social engineering was the consequence of the increase of sexual assaults.

With all of the social engineering taking place with in the military in the past 4 2/3 years and incompetency at the top, many in the officers corps no longer give a ####. May explain why a Navy Captain would lie about his weight or a Navy Commander excepted bribes. It's gotten to the point officers and SNCO's are just punching the time clock and hoping they can get enough years in to retire before they are targeted by Obama and his D0D.

In the past four years there have been many flag officers and field officers, ship, squadron and base commanders relieved of their commands and the reason given raises eye brows. As if Obama is going after commanders and relieving them of their commands because they aren't politically correct enough to make room for advancements of Obama Moron Officer Corps that are now filling the ranks of our military services.

Obama's agenda and he has publicly stated it, is to "redefine the purpose and character" of the U.S. military. That's right out of Joseph Stalin's playbook.

For the first time in the history of the American military there are now political officers in the ranks. They are called diversity officers.

Actually, more rapes were reported to a point where they were actually taken note of in the military these past few years than those of Bush. There is a difference.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Sounds like you have no experience let aloan any knowledge of law enforcement.

There are two forms of LE. Proactive law enforcement, the kind the left hates. Where law enforcement officers are peace officer. They keep the peace. Their objective is preventing crime and keeping the peace. To do that profiling is a must. Jacking up known criminals letting them know who's town it is. Keeping a high profile to deter criminal activity.

Reactive LE is known as progressive law enforcement because it's political, usually the Chief of Police of these agencies are appointed by liberal/progressive city councils. They react to crime after it has already happened. They usually refuse to uphold the oath of office they took to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. They refuse to enforce federal laws. They forbid their officers to profile or to jack up known felons. They don't keep the peace so they aren't peace officer. They are more in line as socialist gestapo.

Many if not a majority of these political liberal/progressive police chiefs belong to the"Police Executive Research Forum" (PERF) aka "National Organization of Progressive Police Executives"
What the MSM Didn't Tell You About Holder and the Police Chiefs

If you live in a high crime neighborhood, it's very likely your police department practices progressive/reactive law enforcement and the Chief probably belongs to the PERF.
Their membership is kept below the surface but meet with Attorney General Eric Holder on a regular bases.

How do you get such a warped sense of reality?

 

[apdst]

..or it could show less tolerance for the endless misbehavior and bribery. You could just as easily credit Obama for demanding real enforcement. Just saying...

Then, you would have prove that those officers were participating in this conduct when they were junior or mid-level officers. Can you?

 

[roguenuke]

Then, you would have prove that those officers were participating in this conduct when they were junior or mid-level officers. Can you?

No. You could easily say that they were following the example of those before them. If a young officer observes that a CO is allowed to do all sorts of things they aren't just due to the level of command, then it is very easy to see how a younger officer could become a horrible CO, doing things that they should not be doing. And that learning would occur pretty early on. And I know personally that there have been COs that have been doing many of the things these COs are getting called out for doing. Leading junior officers into a tradition of bad behavior as COs.

 

[specklebang]

Then, you would have prove that those officers were participating in this conduct when they were junior or mid-level officers. Can you?

Nope, my private police agency has been shut down due to lack of funding.

So, I'll have to follow your logic: These were good men who were corrupted by Obama.


:roll:

 

[APACHERAT]

Actually, more rapes were reported to a point where they were actually taken note of in the military these past few years than those of Bush. There is a difference.

So what's the solution ? You did read the USNI opinion piece I provided on post #24 < Opinion: Why More Commanding Officers are Getting Fired | USNI News > ?

You know we are dealing with mother nature. Does the military go back when men and women in the military live in fear with each other ?

 

[roguenuke]

So what's the solution ? You did read the USNI opinion piece I provided on post #24 < Opinion: Why More Commanding Officers are Getting Fired | USNI News > ?

You know we are dealing with mother nature. Does the military go back when men and women in the military live in fear with each other ?

You try to hire better qualified people and you ensure they are trained by the best. You listen to what people are saying about their commanders, good and bad. Ask opinions and look for trends. You can't do too much more. But bad COs should not be tolerated just to maintain some traditions.

 

[APACHERAT]

How do you get such a warped sense of reality?

Actually living and experiencing the real realities of life. Been there done that.

You wouldn't even want to try to fill my boots and go down the same path that I did. The whole idea was so you wouldn't have to.

 

[roguenuke]

Actually living and experiencing the real realities of life. Been there done that.

You wouldn't even want to try to fill my boots and go down the same path that I did. The whole idea was so you wouldn't have to.

Considering I've been in the Navy, I know what has been going on in it now, and even while Bush was President (in fact, I was active duty the entire time Bush was President). They weren't doing much to get rid of bad COs then, which led to JOs being taught how to be a bad CO. It wasn't everywhere, but it happened. And Obama cannot be blamed for this just because you want to blame him for everything that happens in the military that could possibly be viewed as negative by anyone.

 

[APACHERAT]

You try to hire better qualified people and you ensure they are trained by the best. You listen to what people are saying about their commanders, good and bad. Ask opinions and look for trends. You can't do too much more. But bad COs should not be tolerated just to maintain some traditions.

Dumbing down the officers corps and the SNCO corps is the answer ?

Until 2009, the main purpose of the U.S. military was fighting battles and winning wars, not social engineering.

BTW: Traditions are a major component of any military that can fight and win on the battlefield or at sea.
If you lose or those traditions are taken away, you're going to lose on the battlefield.

 

[roguenuke]

Dumbing down the officers corps and the SNCO corps is the answer ?

Until 2009, the main purpose of the U.S. military was fighting battles and winning wars, not social engineering.

BTW: Traditions are a major component of any military that can fight and win on the battlefield or at sea.
If you lose or those traditions are taken away, you're going to lose on the battlefield.

Actually, a lot of traditions came from superstitions and plain ol' "because we want to". It did nothing really for helping us win any fights/battles, at sea or otherwise.

And there really is no "social engineering" going on here. It is only you thinking that change is always something bad, when it isn't.

 

[APACHERAT]

Considering I've been in the Navy, I know what has been going on in it now, and even while Bush was President (in fact, I was active duty the entire time Bush was President). They weren't doing much to get rid of bad COs then, which led to JOs being taught how to be a bad CO. It wasn't everywhere, but it happened. And Obama cannot be blamed for this just because you want to blame him for everything that happens in the military that could possibly be viewed as negative by anyone.

When almost a quarter of the Navy's ships can't put to sea and fight because of maintenance problems, I blame the Cn'C of the military who happens to be Obama.

When one half of the Marine Corps FMF aren't rated as being qualified to be deployed into combat, I blame Obama.

When 1/3 of the Air Force squadrons are grounded and not flying, I blame Obama.

When the Navy is only capable of having a CSG in only one or two of the Navy's five AOR's, I blame Obama.

When the Navy's Chief of Naval Operations explains why the Navy's "SURGE" carrier at Norfolk wasn't deployed to the 5th Fleet AOR during the Syria showdown was because the crew wasn't properly trained yet to put to sea, I blame Obama.

When the Navy's Blue Angels aren't flying for the first time in it's 67 year history, I blame Obama.

When the military brass are to scared to publicly or behind closed doors in Congress in fear of being relieved from their command admitting that we have a hollow military force today, I blame Obama.

 

[roguenuke]

When almost a quarter of the Navy's ships can't put to sea and fight because of maintenance problems, I blame the Cn'C of the military who happens to be Obama.

When one half of the Marine Corps FMF aren't rated as being qualified to be deployed into combat, I blame Obama.

When 1/3 of the Air Force squadrons are grounded and not flying, I blame Obama.

When the Navy is only capable of having a CSG in only one or two of the Navy's five AOR's, I blame Obama.

When the Navy's Chief of Naval Operations explains why the Navy's "SURGE" carrier at Norfolk wasn't deployed to the 5th Fleet AOR during the Syria showdown was because the crew wasn't properly trained yet to put to sea, I blame Obama.

When the Navy's Blue Angels aren't flying for the first time in it's 67 year history, I blame Obama.

When the military brass are to scared to publicly or behind closed doors in Congress in fear of being relieved from their command admitting that we have a hollow military force today, I blame Obama.

Then you are blaming the wrong person. Many of those ships are not having "maintenance problems" but are simply in getting maintenance. There is a difference. Much of it is scheduled maintenance and some of it was put off in order for those ships to spend more time at sea for the war.

And yes, as I said, you blame Obama for everything that looks even slightly negative on the military, whether he actually had anything to do with it.

 

[CRUE CAB]

So what's the point of this article other than to NOT actually tell us why these officers were relieved and insinuate that somehow political correctness and Obama are to blame for all the Navy's failures while failing to make any argument of substance?

Making way for gay commanders.

 

[apdst]

President Obama is cutting the head off Bush's stinking fish yet you complain. I wonder why?

Your evidence, please? Thaaaaaanks!

 

[Manc Skipper]

Your evidence, please? Thaaaaaanks!

Prove you exist outside your mind.