Tip of the iceberg [W:193]

[Higgins86]

Well, their total numbers will only grow in the next 50 years or so. Sharia Law is already being talked about seriously as an option for 'British' Muslims. And then there are the fellow travelers - you know, those British leftists who never met a terrorist they didn't like. People like Galloway and those that elected him, for instance. You've got serious trouble on the horizon.

Only a fool would voluntarily take his son back to the UK, leaving aside all the fairly tale nonsense about nativity scenes and praying to God in class. You're heading back to a class system that's built not on merit but on who your father was and what your accent is. Lots of luck with that.

well no its not fairy tale Christanity is still the main religion in the UK and yes it is taught in schools....

As for British muslims increasing over the next 50 years yes they will but the rest of the population isnt going to stop having kids either Wiggen so they will remain a minority over a very long time. Your view on the UK is comical Wiggen, typical hate filled nonsense which lacks any substance. You ignore the fact that the UK has fought side by side with America in the war of terror and that British security forces are one of the most pro active in the world when it comes to Terrorism and just the basic population figures and projections in the UK. Islam has been present in the United Kingdom since its formation in 1707 and legally recognised in the Trinitarian Act in 1812 (its not a new thing for us)

 

[Wiggen]

well no its not fairy tale Christanity is still the main religion in the UK and yes it is taught in schools....

As for British muslims increasing over the next 50 years yes they will but the rest of the population isnt going to stop having kids either Wiggen so they will remain a minority over a very long time. Your view on the UK is comical Wiggen, typical hate filled nonsense which lacks any substance. You ignore the fact that the UK has fought side by side with America in the war of terror and that British security forces are one of the most pro active in the world when it comes to Terrorism and just the basic population figures and projections in the UK. Islam has been present in the United Kingdom since its formation in 1707 and legally recognised in the Trinitarian Act in 1812 (its not a new thing for us)

I ignore nothing. Your war with us against terrorists cost your prime minister his job and set off huge anti-American demonstrations throughout Londonistan, with the appropriate burning of flags, etc.

And I notice you didn't address the ludicrous caste system, which rewards effeminate aristocrats who speak with the correct accent. I don't blame you. If I were you, I'd ignore that too.

 

[Higgins86]

I ignore nothing. Your war with us against terrorists cost your prime minister his job and set off huge anti-American demonstrations throughout Londonistan, with the appropriate burning of flags, etc.

And I notice you didn't address the ludicrous caste system, which rewards effeminate aristocrats who speak with the correct accent. I don't blame you. If I were you, I'd ignore that too.

I didnt address it because you didnt provide me with any evidence and you should probably be more worried about the class structure in your own country as its getting medevil. Also its worth saying that they were not anti-American protests they were anti war protests ( I personally supported the Iraq war and fought in it) and I dont remember any flags being burnt that day so again you will have to provide some kind of evidence to back this claim up, also I believe Americans held anti war protests too.

p.s Tony Blair was not fired he quit his job and handed the torch over to Gordon Brown as they always planned to.

 

[Wiggen]

Wrong on almost every point, but why should I be surprised? The class structure in this country. to the extent it exists, is largely based on merit. It's why a kid born to an 18 year old mother with a Kenyan father can get to be President. The UK still suffers from this ridiculous Lord and Lady, Duke and Duchess crap that's about 300 years out of date. Let me know when anybody of color gets to be Prime Minister. Or Chief of your Armed Forces, as we had 20 years ago with Colin Powell.

And that accent thing. My people all hail from the North east of England but everybody knows that unless you are from the South, or speak like you are, any kind of upward mobility is extremely difficult. People still fall all over themselves for Lord this and Lady that, even though many of them are chinless wonders that have never done an honest day's work in their lives and show the effects of way too much in-breeding.

And the Iraq war killed Tony Blair politically. Everybody knows that. Didn't they call him George Bush's lap dog? Sad stuff.

As for the Londonistan demonstrations, when they are being led by anarchists and folks wearing ski masks and proclaiming themselves members of the Workers World Party or the Communist Party or whatever the hell they call themselves, they are anti-American.

 

[Higgins86]

Wrong on almost every point, but why should I be surprised? The class structure in this country. to the extent it exists, is largely based on merit. It's why a kid born to an 18 year old mother with a Kenyan father can get to be President. The UK still suffers from this ridiculous Lord and Lady, Duke and Duchess crap that's about 300 years out of date. Let me know when anybody of color gets to be Prime Minister. Or Chief of your Armed Forces, as we had 20 years ago with Colin Powell.

And that accent thing. My people all hail from the North east of England but everybody knows that unless you are from the South, or speak like you are, any kind of upward mobility is extremely difficult. People still fall all over themselves for Lord this and Lady that, even though many of them are chinless wonders that have never done an honest day's work in their lives and show the effects of way too much in-breeding.

And the Iraq war killed Tony Blair politically. Everybody knows that. Didn't they call him George Bush's lap dog? Sad stuff.

As for the Londonistan demonstrations, when they are being led by anarchists and folks wearing ski masks and proclaiming themselves members of the Workers World Party or the Communist Party or whatever the hell they call themselves, they are anti-American.

Your view on the UK is just so twisted and out of focus I dont know why I bother with you. Your posts are all based on just your worthless opinion and very rarely back them up with any real evidence or links. If the American class structure is based on merit then explain to me why 1% have the majority of the money, whilst unemployment is still higher than it is in the UK and millions of working class Americans are without Healthcare. Too even have a decent chance at holding office in the US you must have money and big financial backers so spare us the "american dream BS".
Not really sure what point you were trying to make about the Lords and Ladys of the land ( by the way most of them have jobs including the Royal family) but the notion that you cant advance in the UK if your not from the aristocracy is very far fetched and sounds like something out of a movie, Tony Blair came from a Scottish family and was brought up in the North of England and of course Gordon Brown is about as far away from Lord as you can get. The UK may not have had a black president ( much smaller black population than the US) but we have had a women prime minister.

Wiggen you need to do some reading on the UK before you come on the European threads because your embarrasing yourself right now.

 

[Meathead]

Clearly Multiculturalism is working so well. We know this because someone found a video where a Muslim says that protests like the one on the OP are wrong, therefore invalidating the entire argument against a radicalized segment of the British demographic.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

take it you didnt watch the whole video I posted then?

No, the original video was just about all I could stomach. Good luck in the future when you return to England. By the looks of things, you're going to need it but perhaps not nearly as much as the generation or two that come after you.

To quote someone else on the issue "you have to watch the video to understand."

All you've done is prove Higgins86's point on page one that people only see what they want to see..

Your view on the UK is just so twisted and out of focus I dont know why I bother with you. Your posts are all based on just your worthless opinion and very rarely back them up with any real evidence or links.

He's always entertaining though isn't he, I wonder which country's education system is responsible for his historical and factual accuracy...

 

[gunner]

Clearly Multiculturalism is working so well. We know this because someone found a video where a Muslim says that protests like the one on the OP are wrong, therefore invalidating the entire argument against a radicalized segment of the British demographic.

Can you summarize the narrative about 'radicalized British demographics'? just so i know your position...

Paul

 

[Meathead]

Can you summarize the narrative about 'radicalized British demographics'? just so i know your position...

Paul

Generally, when people walk down a street in a Western country shouting that country's police force should go to hell and so on, it can be safely assumed that that constitutes a radical demographic. Beyond this Gunner, I am not going to play games with you. Safe your hair-splitting for others who may give a rat's ass about your understanding of the topic.

 

[Wiggen]

Your view on the UK is just so twisted and out of focus I dont know why I bother with you. Your posts are all based on just your worthless opinion and very rarely back them up with any real evidence or links. If the American class structure is based on merit then explain to me why 1% have the majority of the money, whilst unemployment is still higher than it is in the UK and millions of working class Americans are without Healthcare. Too even have a decent chance at holding office in the US you must have money and big financial backers so spare us the "american dream BS".
Not really sure what point you were trying to make about the Lords and Ladys of the land ( by the way most of them have jobs including the Royal family) but the notion that you cant advance in the UK if your not from the aristocracy is very far fetched and sounds like something out of a movie, Tony Blair came from a Scottish family and was brought up in the North of England and of course Gordon Brown is about as far away from Lord as you can get. The UK may not have had a black president ( much smaller black population than the US) but we have had a women prime minister.

Wiggen you need to do some reading on the UK before you come on the European threads because your embarrasing yourself right now.

Most of the aristocracy have jobs? :lamo

And I don't need to read about the UK. I was born there and I visit quite regularly. The last time was in November of last year and I'm going again in July to visit relatives.
Of course the parts of Britain I visit are high on unemployment and low on Lords and Ladies - all except for the Duke of Northumberlad, of course, who owns about half the county and lives in a frickin' castle.


Ah yes, your woman Prime Minister...That would be Lady Thatcher, right? Upper class twit.

 

[Wiggen]

To quote someone else on the issue "you have to watch the video to understand."

All you've done is prove Higgins86's point on page one that people only see what they want to see..



He's always entertaining though isn't he, I wonder which country's education system is responsible for his historical and factual accuracy...

I'll put your opinion of me in that place where the sun rarely shines. Don't you have some Lord or Lady you should be doffing your cap to?

Enjoy your radical Muslims who think women who dress in any clothes other than black from head to foot are 'whores' asking to be raped. Who want to take British society and replace it with some sort of medieval theocracy, and apparently are willing to demonstrate openly in Britain, secure in the knowledge that nobody in that country cares enough to respond. Except, apparently, for the 'whore'.

 

[Red_Dave]

Ah yes, your woman Prime Minister...That would be Lady Thatcher, right? Upper class twit.

Upper class twit whose father was a greengrocer. Also please explain how the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 caused Tony Blair's resignation in 2008

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I'll put your opinion of me in that place where the sun rarely shines. Don't you have some Lord or Lady you should be doffing your cap to?

Enjoy your radical Muslims who think women who dress in any clothes other than black from head to foot are 'whores' asking to be raped. Who want to take British society and replace it with some sort of medieval theocracy, and apparently are willing to demonstrate openly in Britain, secure in the knowledge that nobody in that country cares enough to respond. Except, apparently, for the 'whore'.

You know, there is a thread to be discussed and the subject is important however your comedic grasp of facts and history is becoming a side distraction. Case in point the following statement by you - "Ah yes, your woman Prime Minister...That would be Lady Thatcher, right? Upper class twit."

This is just the latest, certainly not your first gaffe. You also seem to believe this small minority within the British muslim community speak for all muslims in the country (including the ones who serve in the UK military / police forces / govt etc etc)- the point however is that you didn't watch the final part of the video linked by Higgins86 but you are here speaking with authority on the reporter: when you plainly have no idea what she moves on to in the final installment.

 

[gunner]

Generally, when people walk down a street in a Western country shouting that country's police force should go to hell and so on, it can be safely assumed that that constitutes a radical demographic. Beyond this Gunner, I am not going to play games with you. Safe your hair-splitting for others who may give a rat's ass about your understanding of the topic.

No need to be quite so defensive.

I agree, with your assertion as such. Groups like this,

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16107674

"Ms May said MAC is "simply another name for an organisation already proscribed under a number of names" including Al Ghurabaa, The Saved Sect, Al Muhajiroun and Islam4UK".

The above have had numerous names, but the same characters pop up time, and time again. It is a good job they seem to enjoy minimal support, and have very few in numbers at their demonstrations.

Paul

 

[Wiggen]

You know, there is a thread to be discussed and the subject is important however your comedic grasp of facts and history is becoming a side distraction. Case in point the following statement by you - "Ah yes, your woman Prime Minister...That would be Lady Thatcher, right? Upper class twit."

This is just the latest, certainly not your first gaffe. You also seem to believe this small minority within the British muslim community speak for all muslims in the country (including the ones who serve in the UK military / police forces / govt etc etc)- the point however is that you didn't watch the final part of the video linked by Higgins86 but you are here speaking with authority on the reporter: when you plainly have no idea what she moves on to in the final installment.

You and your fellow defenders of Muslim extremism aren't interested in discussing anything.

And please, stop with this 'small minority' BS. It's not a 'small minority'. It's a significant number. I'll post this link for the fifth time and let's see if I get a response this time.

7/7 bombings 'justified' say a quarter of British Muslims - News - Scotsman.com

I don't care much what she 'moves on to' in the final part. Unless she manufactured all of those lunatics marching, of course. Is that your claim?

Nice job in ignoring all of the points raised regarding western 'whores' deserving to be raped. No wonder the terrorist loving Galloway got elected. I'm guessing there are lots of folks like you who see no problem with any of this.

 

[Wiggen]

Upper class twit whose father was a greengrocer. Also please explain how the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 caused Tony Blair's resignation in 2008

Dorset - let's see, that's Southern England, right? Tell you what, you go up to northeast England or the midlands or Scotland and sing the praises of Lady Thatcher. Good luck with that one. Yes, she and the rest of her ilk were jumped up snobs and twits.

You are two nations - the south, with its relative prosperity, and the rest of Britain - still suffering from the oppression of your bizarre class system.

BBC News - UK unemployment figures paint bleak picture

 

[lizzie]

I certainly could not accept anything like this in the US. How can the Brits put up with it?

TIP OF THE ICEBERG - THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR BRITAIN

Because they've become consumed by proper politically correct behavior. The Brits are notoriously uptight when it comes to propriety in appearances. Not knocking them, but they've been convinced that they should be collectivly punished for their history of colonialism.

 

[mbig]

Poor Teabags.
Being utterly Buffaloed by 2% 5% of the population. (I was using 2% until recent numbers came out)
And they're getting more imposing each year.
Blackburn, Feb 2010

 

[Medusa]

they are more like arabian islamist rather than muslim..

 

[Infinite Chaos]

You and your fellow defenders of Muslim extremism aren't interested in discussing anything.

With an utterly dishonest start like that, the only way for you is down..

Care to show any links to my defending muslim extremism? Do you know how to use the forum "search engine?"

And please, stop with this 'small minority' BS. It's not a 'small minority'. It's a significant number. I'll post this link for the fifth time and let's see if I get a response this time.

7/7 bombings 'justified' say a quarter of British Muslims - News - Scotsman.com

This subject has been much discussed on this forum, we're all aware there is a small minority of muslims who have extremist/ islamist views. If the number were as high as you try and suggest, there would be a lot more incidents. However, on a similar thread last year, I quoted UK security forces estimates on the numbers of people being watched who were a cause for real concern and that remains a significant minority.

Many of those polled who stated such reprehensible views (and your link clearly states it - as did the program which I actually watched) were young (under 25) and from a very specific part of Asia (Pakistan) which played a large part in the current war in Afghanistan.

You claim to be from the North East-well even you would know that one of the oldest muslim communities is actually in South Shields and has been there for over 100 years. The history of muslim extremism in the UK is extremely recent and there are many muslims who have proudly been part of the UK for decades.

Is that your claim?

Watch the video and educate yourself.

Nice job in ignoring all of the points raised regarding western 'whores' deserving to be raped. No wonder the terrorist loving Galloway got elected. I'm guessing there are lots of folks like you who see no problem with any of this.

Andaluble has answered all the points about Galloway's election - including the point none of you have responded to which was that a large number of voters who elected Galloway were white.

Regarding the "western whores" comment - the video goes into depth but as you refuse to watch it, you can remain the comic figure you are.

 

[Gardener]

This subject has been much discussed on this forum, we're all aware there is a small minority of muslims who have extremist/ islamist views.

Or you could try telling the truth, instead.

In highly regarded Pew reports on Muslim attitudes, 2/3 of British Muslims want criticism of Islam to be illegal. 40% want sharia Law.

That is not a small minority.

 

[Gardener]

Because they've become consumed by proper politically correct behavior. The Brits are notoriously uptight when it comes to propriety in appearances. Not knocking them, but they've been convinced that they should be collectivly punished for their history of colonialism.

They are fundamentalists little different from our religious fundamentalists. The only difference is that that politics has replaced religion as the source to which they conform so thoroughly.

 

[Wiggen]

ssshhhh Gardener. Like all good Galloway types, they don't want to be confused with facts.

I love the statement that most of the radical muslims in Britain are young and from Pakistan, as though that somehow should make everybody feel better. They simply choose to ignore the fact that they have a sizable number of muslims in Britain who have no desire to become Brits but who rather want the Brits to become Islamists. It's really quite a strange phenomenon.

 

[Wiggen]

With an utterly dishonest start like that, the only way for you is down..

Care to show any links to my defending muslim extremism? Do you know how to use the forum "search engine?"

The fact that you continue to minimize the danger posed by muslim extremists is pretty damning.


This subject has been much discussed on this forum, we're all aware there is a small minority of muslims who have extremist/ islamist views. If the number were as high as you try and suggest, there would be a lot more incidents. However, on a similar thread last year, I quoted UK security forces estimates on the numbers of people being watched who were a cause for real concern and that remains a significant minority.

The opinion polls don't lie.

Many of those polled who stated such reprehensible views (and your link clearly states it - as did the program which I actually watched) were young (under 25) and from a very specific part of Asia (Pakistan) which played a large part in the current war in Afghanistan.

So what?

You claim to be from the North East-well even you would know that one of the oldest muslim communities is actually in South Shields and has been there for over 100 years. The history of muslim extremism in the UK is extremely recent and there are many muslims who have proudly been part of the UK for decades.

And there are many more who don't give a damn about the UK and who want it to become much more like the countries they fled.


Watch the video and educate yourself.

I saw all of the video I needed to see. The fact that there may be muslims who disagree with these terrorist supporters is irrelevant.

Andaluble has answered all the points about Galloway's election - including the point none of you have responded to which was that a large number of voters who elected Galloway were white.

Andaluble answered none of the points, other than to give it the best possible spin he could think of. The fact remains the people there elected a terrorist sympathizing lunatic to Parliament.

Regarding the "western whores" comment - the video goes into depth but as you refuse to watch it, you can remain the comic figure you are.

If you and your fellow muslimophiles are an example of 'serious' figures, then I'm happy to be comic. You simply don't have a clue what's facing you.

 

[lizzie]

With an utterly dishonest start like that, the only way for you is down..

Care to show any links to my defending muslim extremism? Do you know how to use the forum "search engine?"

This not directed at you personally, as I am not familiar with you at all, but there's not need to defend it, when all it takes is turning a blind eye away from ideologues who would love to destroy the western democratic way of life. Some things will go away if you just ignore them. This is not one of those things, unfortunately.