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Every day in this country, citizens are under attack from LEO’s across the country. Police have never acted as nor wanted to be seen as guardians of low income/POC neighborhoods.

As we ponder things like defunding the police, thinking about who in our society is best suited to handle issues that do not require a potential for gunplay, or tazers. As you click through some of this (should you choose to see what’s happening in our country to our own citizens), just remember:

Defunding the police does not mean abolishing (God I wish), it simply means we stop making sure a civilian protection agency stops arming itself like citizens are insurgents in an occupied country.

Two links below are both dedicated to acting as almost a storage depot for images and stories of this truth. Nothing is more powerful than simply watching cops be cops without the sheen of an ABC Family show depicting Good Christian People fighting the good fight.

These bystanders recorded police brutality. Here’s what they say about the experience.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1284526898991828992?s=21


PS: Bonus clip: Here are cops pleading with a dangerous mob to please please please move back oh pleeeease.

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1303111233801916417?s=21

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The solution is for blacks not to be criminals and to not resist arrest.
 

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Sure. All the footage contained in the links is just pedo Hollywood propaganda with crisis actors.

You do realize that police on black incidents are less now than under Obama, don't you?
 

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We are agreeing with each other. The processes you’re describing can only come about in a system that has recognized the nature of what’s broken and implemented changes to address that.

Do you recognize that these incidents have been getting better over the years, not worse?
 

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The solution is for blacks not to be criminals and to not resist arrest.

“If only the Jews would stop trying to spread plague we wouldn’t have to round them up as plague spreaders”

-Every Good German circa 1930’s Europe.
 

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The solution is for blacks not to be criminals and to not resist arrest.

What about the incident in post #8? Why should that citizen have submitted to the police?
 

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Every day in this country, citizens are under attack from LEO’s across the country. Police have never acted as nor wanted to be seen as guardians of low income/POC neighborhoods.

As we ponder things like defunding the police, thinking about who in our society is best suited to handle issues that do not require a potential for gunplay, or tazers. As you click through some of this (should you choose to see what’s happening in our country to our own citizens), just remember:

Defunding the police does not mean abolishing (God I wish), it simply means we stop making sure a civilian protection agency stops arming itself like citizens are insurgents in an occupied country.

Two links below are both dedicated to acting as almost a storage depot for images and stories of this truth. Nothing is more powerful than simply watching cops be cops without the sheen of an ABC Family show depicting Good Christian People fighting the good fight.

These bystanders recorded police brutality. Here’s what they say about the experience.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1284526898991828992?s=21


PS: Bonus clip: Here are cops pleading with a dangerous mob to please please please move back oh pleeeease.

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1303111233801916417?s=21

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OK, we get it. You believe that it is ok to demonize the police because a small percentage of its membership makes bad decisions under extreme circumstances. Using your methodology it is therefore entirely proper to attack the communities of POC because of the very high percentage of crime committed by the residents without being called a racist. Can't have it both ways.
 

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KKK type thinking and reasoning suggests that systemic racism is acceptable so long as the cops are nice to *you*.

There is no systemic racism. There are like 1% of law enforcement encounters that are "systemic" but 1% is not systemic. There is actually 99% non-systemic but you want to hype up the 1%.
 

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Same question about the good things. What domhave is statistics that do not support a narrative of targeting blacks for death.

Yeah, "good things" by the police are the expectation... That's what they're supposed to be doing.

If you own a warehouse and you catch someone stealing on camera, do you say, "I wonder how many times the camera didn't catch them NOT stealing" or "I wonder how many times the camera didn't catch them stealing"?

What we do have is that the police target blacks for crimes. Proof? Look at how Stop and Frisk was implemented in New York, for example. Also, why the police do go after personal drug use in the ghettos, but not in the college dorms...

What we do have is that you are over 9 times as likely to be killed by the police than terrorists in this country.

What we do have is that the more interactions you have with police, the more likely you're going to be killed by them.

Therefore, what we do have is a system that is targeting and killing blacks with police action.
 

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For every time the police are caught on camera doing something dirty, how many times do you think the police are doing dirty things that are NOT caught on camera?

And how many instances of things going great are NOT caught on camera?
 

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You do realize that police on black incidents are less now than under Obama, don't you?

Firstly, let’s see your source for this claim and secondly, so what?
 

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No, it suggests blacks are the problem with systematic black violence rampant in the streets. And it uses the same reasoning you do, ignore statistics and the big picture and use anecdotes to push your false narrative.

Exactly. The left are sending the message that crime is ok. Resisting arrest is OK but cops are systemically racist.
 

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OK, we get it. You believe that it is ok to demonize the police because a small percentage of its membership makes bad decisions under extreme circumstances. Using your methodology it is therefore entirely proper to attack the communities of POC because of the very high percentage of crime committed by the residents without being called a racist. Can't have it both ways.

The crime ravaged communities conservatives like holding up as examples of deflection are actually illustrative of why we need real reform: cops choose which neighborhoods are worth saving and which ones aren’t. Black people are not protected and served in their own communities because white people decided that crime = Black, and there is no reason to offer them the same protection that white people have.

And let me make something clear to you, and anyone reading this: YOU can feel free to call these communities, these people, anything your heart desires. Really. Use whatever words are in your heart of hearts and makes it clear to everyone *exactly* how you feel. ;)
 

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“If only the Jews would stop trying to spread plague we wouldn’t have to round them up as plague spreaders”

-Every Good German circa 1930’s Europe.

What? The fact is blacks make up a disproportionate amount of criminals, because they are, not because police profile them more. And, blacks make up a disproportionate amount of those who resist arrest. That's just the facts. Now if you want to work on the root causes of why blacks are disproportionately criminals we can get somewhere. That's where we need to concentrate our efforts more.
 

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What about the incident in post #8? Why should that citizen have submitted to the police?

I'm not going to talk about ONE incident. Everyone can come up with ONE incident to prove their point. We're not talking about ONE incident.
 

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But teachers are currently grossly defunded. Cops have armored uniforms designed *specifically* for those that ride bikes. Teachers cannot get PPE during a pandemic, that’s *with* the federal government demanding all schools be open.

Police departments are overfunded. They are overfunded due to us using them as a solution to virtually any societal issue that needs direct response from local government that isn’t defined as a fire or heart attack. Removing that funding and funneling it towards useful avenues that achieve legitimate good outcomes is not the same as allowing teachers to struggle with nothing while we all tell each other how much we love our kids.

And that’s not even discussing the very obvious problem of white nationalism that’s the underlying driver for lots of police violence.

Trying to assert the the public school system has not also experienced massive 'mission creep' into many other areas of social support, e.g. providing "free" meals, personal (parental?) advice/discipline and medical services, all of which compete with classroom teachers for funding.
 

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The communists don't want to reform law enforcement. They want to abolish law enforcement and replace it with their own militant wing of the Democrat party. Then, they'll use their new version of law enforcement to strong arm the citizenry. It's happened everytime a communist government has take power.
 

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Yeah, "good things" by the police are the expectation... That's what they're supposed to be doing.

If you own a warehouse and you catch someone stealing on camera, do you say, "I wonder how many times the camera didn't catch them NOT stealing" or "I wonder how many times the camera didn't catch them stealing"?

What we do have is that the police target blacks for crimes. Proof? Look at how Stop and Frisk was implemented in New York, for example. Also, why the police do go after personal drug use in the ghettos, but not in the college dorms...

What we do have is that you are over 9 times as likely to be killed by the police than terrorists in this country.

What we do have is that the more interactions you have with police, the more likely you're going to be killed by them.

Therefore, what we do have is a system that is targeting and killing blacks with police action.

And that is what they are doing 99% of the time - good incidents.
 

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What? The fact is blacks make up a disproportionate amount of criminals, because they are, not because police profile them more. And, blacks make up a disproportionate amount of those who resist arrest. That's just the facts. Now if you want to work on the root causes of why blacks are disproportionately criminals we can get somewhere. That's where we need to concentrate our efforts more.

Answer would be the same: systemic racism.
 

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Firstly, let’s see your source for this claim and secondly, so what?

Well, if you are already "so whatting" me, there's no point in me wasting my time proving facts because you have already dismissed them. The MSM are being dishonest with the American people by implying that these incidents are getting worse when, in fact, they have been getting better. If these blacks hadn't been criminals in the first place or tried resisting arrest, they would not be the victims of excessive police violence. And, 97% of blacks who are murdered are murdered by other blacks. Why doesn't the MSM want to report that? Why don't black lives matter?
 

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I'm not going to talk about ONE incident. Everyone can come up with ONE incident to prove their point. We're not talking about ONE incident.

But you said “ The solution is for blacks not to be criminals and to not resist arrest.” Presumably this applies to all incidents when cops encounter black people. But the man in that incident wasn’t a criminal so why should he have submitted to police trying to violently arrest him for no reason? Your solution is too simplistic to be applied to every situation.
 

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Trying to assert the the public school system has not also experienced massive 'mission creep' into many other areas of social support, e.g. providing "free" meals, personal (parental?) advice/discipline and medical services, all of which compete with classroom teachers for funding.

I’m not trying to not assert that, those are services I believe a school should offer.

A poor child should receive a free meal in the middle of the day in the building in which we are paying for them to be educated.

A cop who is not trained to deal with a mentally ill person should not be given MORE guns and armored vehicles to fix that problem.
 
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