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Every day in this country, citizens are under attack from LEO’s across the country. Police have never acted as nor wanted to be seen as guardians of low income/POC neighborhoods.

As we ponder things like defunding the police, thinking about who in our society is best suited to handle issues that do not require a potential for gunplay, or tazers. As you click through some of this (should you choose to see what’s happening in our country to our own citizens), just remember:

Defunding the police does not mean abolishing (God I wish), it simply means we stop making sure a civilian protection agency stops arming itself like citizens are insurgents in an occupied country.

Two links below are both dedicated to acting as almost a storage depot for images and stories of this truth. Nothing is more powerful than simply watching cops be cops without the sheen of an ABC Family show depicting Good Christian People fighting the good fight.

These bystanders recorded police brutality. Here’s what they say about the experience.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1284526898991828992?s=21


PS: Bonus clip: Here are cops pleading with a dangerous mob to please please please move back oh pleeeease.

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1303111233801916417?s=21

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This is what the democratic party will bring if elected to office. Defund the police! Hate the police!


A police officer does a task that most people would not do or could not do! The over whelming majority are good decent,hard working people who are trying their best.
The thin blue line is what keeps our society civil. Support your local police dept and reject the non sense of the democrats.

When there is a problem with an officer WHY don't the local authorities resolve that issue? The mayor, city council or police chief? They are not doing their job!

Paul Harvey " Policeman " One of His Best Narrations



Paul Harvey " Policeman " One of His Best Narrations
 

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Every day in this country, citizens are under attack from LEO’s across the country. Police have never acted as nor wanted to be seen as guardians of low income/POC neighborhoods.

As we ponder things like defunding the police, thinking about who in our society is best suited to handle issues that do not require a potential for gunplay, or tazers. As you click through some of this (should you choose to see what’s happening in our country to our own citizens), just remember:

Defunding the police does not mean abolishing (God I wish), it simply means we stop making sure a civilian protection agency stops arming itself like citizens are insurgents in an occupied country.

Two links below are both dedicated to acting as almost a storage depot for images and stories of this truth. Nothing is more powerful than simply watching cops be cops without the sheen of an ABC Family show depicting Good Christian People fighting the good fight.

These bystanders recorded police brutality. Here’s what they say about the experience.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1284526898991828992?s=21


PS: Bonus clip: Here are cops pleading with a dangerous mob to please please please move back oh pleeeease.

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1303111233801916417?s=21

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You mentioned confirmation bias in another post, physician heal thyself.
The actual stats show you are peddling a false narrative.
 

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You mentioned confirmation bias in another post, physician heal thyself.
The actual stats show you are peddling a false narrative.

Sure. All the footage contained in the links is just pedo Hollywood propaganda with crisis actors.
 

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Every day in this country, citizens are under attack from LEO’s across the country. Police have never acted as nor wanted to be seen as guardians of low income/POC neighborhoods.

As we ponder things like defunding the police, thinking about who in our society is best suited to handle issues that do not require a potential for gunplay, or tazers. As you click through some of this (should you choose to see what’s happening in our country to our own citizens), just remember:

Defunding the police does not mean abolishing (God I wish), it simply means we stop making sure a civilian protection agency stops arming itself like citizens are insurgents in an occupied country.

Two links below are both dedicated to acting as almost a storage depot for images and stories of this truth. Nothing is more powerful than simply watching cops be cops without the sheen of an ABC Family show depicting Good Christian People fighting the good fight.

These bystanders recorded police brutality. Here’s what they say about the experience.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1284526898991828992?s=21


PS: Bonus clip: Here are cops pleading with a dangerous mob to please please please move back oh pleeeease.

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1303111233801916417?s=21

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Perhaps this is best described as the out of control government employee thread. The problem is not that a small number (percentage?) of public employees take some very bad (brutal?), and at times illegal, actions - the probelm is that they are given substantial (public employee union) protection from suffering instant job loss and (individual) legal consequences for taking those actions.
 

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Perhaps this is best described as the out of control government employee thread. The problem is not that a small number (percentage?) of public employees take some very bad (brutal?), and at times illegal, actions - the probelm is that they are given substantial (public employee union) protection from suffering instant job loss and (individual) legal consequences for taking those actions.

They act this way due to a systemic problem though. We’ve been told for decades that it’s always just a few bad apples, but then we do nothing about the entire spoiled bunch.

Police departments have mostly been vectors for corruption, violence and as we see they are uniformly unfit to deal with anything unless they are allowed to use violence.

We keep using a hammer regardless of whether the item on the other end is a nail or not. I don’t agree that this issue is fixed up with just more consequences for bad actors. We need to change the system, and fundamentally how we view and regard the use of police in our society.

You don’t get to the point depicted in all of this footage due to just a small percentage of bad cops. The thin blue wall is designed to make them all complicit.
 

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They act this way due to a systemic problem though. We’ve been told for decades that it’s always just a few bad apples, but then we do nothing about the entire spoiled bunch.

Police departments have mostly been vectors for corruption, violence and as we see they are uniformly unfit to deal with anything unless they are allowed to use violence.

We keep using a hammer regardless of whether the item on the other end is a nail or not. I don’t agree that this issue is fixed up with just more consequences for bad actors. We need to change the system, and fundamentally how we view and regard the use of police in our society.

You don’t get to the point depicted in all of this footage due to just a small percentage of bad cops. The thin blue wall is designed to make them all complicit.

Having more (direct and immediate) consequences for "bad actors" among police would be a major systemic change. The "blue wall" is very much part of the current system whereby external actions (police actions upon members of the general public) are dealt with using internal investigations.

The only ones with the power to initiate criminal charges are government employees, if they refuse to do so for the (alleged criminal) actions of other government employees then that (systemic problem) must be dealt with.
 

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Jogging while black.


Texas is not a stop and ID state. The guy had absolutely no obligation to ID himself. He also had no obligation to get into the Officers' car to go to the victim. When detained, the Supreme Court has ruled that the detainment must take place at the place where the subject who was detained is at.

The cops were clearly in the wrong. Their chief even admits this...but still blames the jogger because he didn't just give up his rights and lick the Officers' boots.

Because the chief defends the actions of the officers, the problem isn't just a bad apple or two...it is systemic.

The guy ended up being charged with battery on the police officers for resisting their kidnap of him.

Sadly, this isn't an isolated event. Again, this is a systemic problem.
 
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Every day in this country, citizens are under attack from LEO’s across the country. Police have never acted as nor wanted to be seen as guardians of low income/POC neighborhoods.

As we ponder things like defunding the police, thinking about who in our society is best suited to handle issues that do not require a potential for gunplay, or tazers. As you click through some of this (should you choose to see what’s happening in our country to our own citizens), just remember:

Defunding the police does not mean abolishing (God I wish), it simply means we stop making sure a civilian protection agency stops arming itself like citizens are insurgents in an occupied country.

Two links below are both dedicated to acting as almost a storage depot for images and stories of this truth. Nothing is more powerful than simply watching cops be cops without the sheen of an ABC Family show depicting Good Christian People fighting the good fight.

These bystanders recorded police brutality. Here’s what they say about the experience.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1284526898991828992?s=21


PS: Bonus clip: Here are cops pleading with a dangerous mob to please please please move back oh pleeeease.

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1303111233801916417?s=21

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Good post but the definition of defund is not arbitrary.

Words have meanings.

de·fund
/dēˈfənd/
Learn to pronounce
verbUS
prevent from continuing to receive funds.
 

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Good post but the definition of defund is not arbitrary.

Words have meanings.

de·fund
/dēˈfənd/
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verbUS
prevent from continuing to receive funds.

Yes, the left has never been great at branding. That said, I don't see in that definition the word, "all".

So you can defund the police of all paramilitary gear funds, without abolishing the police, for example.
 

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Having more (direct and immediate) consequences for "bad actors" among police would be a major systemic change. The "blue wall" is very much part of the current system whereby external actions (police actions upon members of the general public) are dealt with using internal investigations.

The only ones with the power to initiate criminal charges are government employees, if they refuse to do so for the (alleged criminal) actions of other government employees then that (systemic problem) must be dealt with.

We are agreeing with each other. The processes you’re describing can only come about in a system that has recognized the nature of what’s broken and implemented changes to address that.
 

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Sure. All the footage contained in the links is just pedo Hollywood propaganda with crisis actors.

You continue to confuse a cherry picking of true anecdotes with statistical reality.

Since I saw a video collection of black violence, your reasoning says I should conclude this is the norm.

Your thinking process is no different than kkk types.
 

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Yes, the left has never been great at branding. That said, I don't see in that definition the word, "all".

So you can defund the police of all paramilitary gear funds, without abolishing the police, for example.

That's not how it's playing out. Anti-gang, anti-trafficking, swat and other important units are being disbanded in favor of more cops on patrol.
 

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You continue to confuse a cherry picking of true anecdotes with statistical reality.

Since I saw a video collection of black violence, your reasoning says I should conclude this is the norm.

Your thinking process is no different than kkk types.

One or two items would be cherry picking. The twitter thread in question has 1k entries in it alone.

This is what we see and document. Just imagine what this looked like prior to cell phones and body cams.
 

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That's not how it's playing out. Anti-gang, anti-trafficking, swat and other important units are being disbanded in favor of more cops on patrol.

I gave an example. That wasn't meant to be a comment on the full scope of the "defund the police" movement or what is happening because of that movement.
 

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Yes, the left has never been great at branding. That said, I don't see in that definition the word, "all".

So you can defund the police of all paramilitary gear funds, without abolishing the police, for example.

It's a terrible slogan that losses votes.
 

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One or two items would be cherry picking. The twitter thread in question has 1k entries in it alone.

This is what we see and document. Just imagine what this looked like prior to cell phones and body cams.
You don’t think we can find 1k of black violence? Please

Of course it’s cherry picking. All the video of cops doing a decent job gets ignored deleted from phones because nobody cares. It doesn’t get looked at.

It’s kkk type thinking and reasoning.
 

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We are agreeing with each other. The processes you’re describing can only come about in a system that has recognized the nature of what’s broken and implemented changes to address that.

That is somewhat the case, however, simply using (or threatening) a reduction in total department funding is not likely to be effective unless, of course, that reduction is of public union funding and contract term changes. As is the case with "bad" (substandard?) teachers, reducing the public education budget is not suggested as a viable solution, in fact, the opposite (higher teacher pay, easier removal of "bad" teachers and better training/supervision) is often recommended.
 

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You don’t think we can find 1k of black violence? Please

Of course it’s cherry picking. All the video of cops doing a decent job gets ignored deleted from phones because nobody cares. It doesn’t get looked at.

It’s kkk type thinking and reasoning.

KKK type thinking and reasoning suggests that systemic racism is acceptable so long as the cops are nice to *you*.
 

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Of course it’s cherry picking. All the video of cops doing a decent job gets ignored deleted from phones because nobody cares. It doesn’t get looked at.

For every time the police are caught on camera doing something dirty, how many times do you think the police are doing dirty things that are NOT caught on camera?
 

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For every time the police are caught on camera doing something dirty, how many times do you think the police are doing dirty things that are NOT caught on camera?

Same question about the good things. What domhave is statistics that do not support a narrative of targeting blacks for death.
 

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KKK type thinking and reasoning suggests that systemic racism is acceptable so long as the cops are nice to *you*.

No, it suggests blacks are the problem with systematic black violence rampant in the streets. And it uses the same reasoning you do, ignore statistics and the big picture and use anecdotes to push your false narrative.
 

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That is somewhat the case, however, simply using (or threatening) a reduction in total department funding is not likely to be effective unless, of course, that reduction is of public union funding and contract term changes. As is the case with "bad" (substandard?) teachers, reducing the public education budget is not suggested as a viable solution, in fact, the opposite (higher teacher pay, easier removal of "bad" teachers and better training/supervision) is often recommended.

But teachers are currently grossly defunded. Cops have armored uniforms designed *specifically* for those that ride bikes. Teachers cannot get PPE during a pandemic, that’s *with* the federal government demanding all schools be open.

Police departments are overfunded. They are overfunded due to us using them as a solution to virtually any societal issue that needs direct response from local government that isn’t defined as a fire or heart attack. Removing that funding and funneling it towards useful avenues that achieve legitimate good outcomes is not the same as allowing teachers to struggle with nothing while we all tell each other how much we love our kids.

And that’s not even discussing the very obvious problem of white nationalism that’s the underlying driver for lots of police violence.
 

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No, it suggests blacks are the problem with systematic black violence rampant in the streets. And it uses the same reasoning you do, ignore statistics and the big picture and use anecdotes to push your false narrative.

The big picture is our constitution was created with Black people not even being recognized as humans.
 
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