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The next Zimmerman (almost)[W:65]

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. Just because he's not their parent doesn't mean he can't reprimand
I thought the OP was about "Should", not "Could". The teens can reprimand him too. Should they? From where I'm from, if you greet a compete stranger in public with a reprimand, you are likely to be starting out on the wrong foot, to put it lightly. I'll see your "takes a village" and raise you "winning hearts and minds."
 
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Littering is illegal. You sound like you would literally prefer he had been a cop, and slapped a fine on them, or their parents.


100% pure idiocy.
 
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For adults, winning hearts and minds might work. For kids, it's dictatorship until they are adults. Get back to me when you have a few of your own.
 
So you smacked the ball hard out of frustration, and then started to lecture him about showing respect. Then you told him he was never going to get out of the ghetto.

I think you acted like an idiot and were pretty disrespectful yourself. How could you honestly talk and behave like that, and not expect to get any hostility in return?


And were you judging him for having a cup of water from Starbucks?




 
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Adults ARE people of authority when dealing with kids.

Where'd you get that idea from?

Just because he's not their parent doesn't mean he can't reprimand them for socially unacceptable behavior.

If people choose that stupidly arrogant path, then they should expect the reactions they will receive from teenagers.

As the saying goes, it takes a village.

Communism. Awesome.
 
If you want to help teens, you mentor them. You don't talk **** to them on basketball court.

 
I was thinking more like Big Brothers and Sisters of America, but people in CNN Heroes have done such things.

I saw were a woman organizes jogging and sports for homeless people.


I don't know if it's good for an individual to try to straighten out the neighborhood on his own, especially on a case-by-case basis. Maybe start a local group that keeps young kids busy. You could all play basketball!
 
If you want to help teens, you mentor them. You don't talk **** to them on basketball court.

He doesn't want to help teens, though. He wants an excuse to play the victim. Never mind taking personal responsibility for how HE, as the adult in the situation, escalated the exchange. **** that, personal responsibility's for Quakers. Instead he wants an excuse to claim that it's the black communities fault.
 
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Where'd you get that idea from?



If people choose that stupidly arrogant path, then they should expect the reactions they will receive from teenagers.



Communism. Awesome.

Not communism, communal mindset.

I don't think anything they did as described in the OP cames as any surprise to Mathmetician. At no point was he thinking "I'm going to get onto these kids, and they're going to smile and thank me for keeping them straight."



You know what, I'm going to ****ing day it. Look at all of. You bemoan the statistics of blacks in prison, poor, etc. yet here you are, criticizing someone who ACTUALY tries to do something about it. **** me, but that makes you guys NOT very bright. Go ahead. Give me infraction for that. I simply can't read this crap and keep my thoughts to myself. You guys should ashamed of yourselves. You let you cowardice prevent you , and want to prevent others, from doing the right thing. Which is to tell a kid to pick up their god damn trash!
 
You could promote cleaning up the neighborhood and not littering.

Nobody should jump your ass for being a good citizen, but you have to be aware of others taking you hostile and confrontational when you jump on them individually.




As a simple start, how likely are you to speak up if someone chooses to litter right in front of you? That's where things started off today. I already knew the kid had a bad mouth.
 
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FederalRepublic said:
Why can't we have a discussion about the reality that black kids are more likely to end up in the system, the reasons for that reality, and what we think we should do about it without someone assuming we're racist?

As for you last bit, that is an entirely different conversation than the one that was offered up for discussion through this story.

No, that's a conversation that's been continuously avoided throughout this thread. I can provide you with a laundry list of post references if you'd like, but that's the conversation that's been yearning to be had. You haven't done much to facilitate that discussion, which I think Mathematician will agree is a relevant point to this thread.
 
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Littering is illegal. You sound like you would literally prefer he had been a cop, and slapped a fine on them, or their parents.
100% pure idiocy.


Oh good grief :doh
 
I was thinking more like Big Brothers and Sisters of America, but people in CNN Heroes have done such things.

I saw were a woman organizes jogging and sports for homeless people.

I've worked as a therapist for children and teens in the foster care system who were at risk of losing their foster placement and being put into group homes due to severe behavioral issues. I know for a fact that had I ever taken the pompous overly-entitled stance that was seen in the OP, I'd have been utterly worthless in doing that work. And I was dealing with kids who were far "worse" than the kids described in the OP, and they would have reacted far more violently had they been involved in such an exchange.
 
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The fact that littering is illegal suggests it wasn't just what I consider unacceptable. I guess next time I'll just record the punk doing it and let him or his parents pay the several hundred dollar fine. Has it crossed your mind that his parents weren't there?
 
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Littering is illegal. You sound like you would literally prefer he had been a cop, and slapped a fine on them, or their parents.


100% pure idiocy.

Heck, at this rate, I'm about to go sign up. I live across the street from the local police HQ.
 
I don't think of division in terms of white and black culture. There are unique and institutional issues black people face, and none of those issues entirely exclude white people. Inherently, I don't think there is anything wrong with any race.





 
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I don't think anything they did as described in the OP cames as any surprise to Mathmetician. At no point was he thinking "I'm going to get onto these kids, and they're going to smile and thank me for keeping them straight."

So you agree that he was choosing the stupid approach for achieving his goal of "bettering society". :shrug:




:lol: Here's what's not very bright: Admitting that an approach is futile and won't do a goddamned thing to make a difference and then pretending that the person who engages in such futile nonsense actually tried to do something. That's just ****ing retarded.

That's like saying you tried to clean up the community by taking a **** on the sidewalk in front of the biggest litterer in the neighborhood's house.




:lol: Yep. **** trying to actually do something effective. The entitlement mentality bull**** and arrogant pomposity is the "right thing to do". anyone who thinks that a real approach that might actually ****ing work is clearly just a coward because, well... uh.... **** them that's why. There's no reason to apply thought to the situation because, as we all know, that's hard and doing the hard, but intelligent thing, is... yeah... **** that.
 
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You are right. In fact you probably should have called the National Guard or your local SWAT team
 
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You are right. In fact you probably should have called the National Guard or your local SWAT team

That's a wonderful absurdum fallacy. Why discuss the legality of their actions when you can ridicule someone on the internet, right?
 
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I was thinking more like Big Brothers and Sisters of America, but people in CNN Heroes have done such things.

I saw were a woman organizes jogging and sports for homeless people.

This is what we should be talking about, instead of bashing Math for doing something (whether you agree with it or not), or questioning whether he was driven by racial prejudice.

It's absolutely ridiculous, this is an easy thread to have a positive discussion on, but everyone has to jump on Math's back and waste everyone's time :doh
 
I disagree. You can become extremely wealthy through immoral, uncivil, and violent endeavors.


 
I disagree. You can become extremely wealthy through immoral, uncivil, and violent endeavors.

You can but the principles are the same. It takes dedication, planning, and responsibility. If a coke dealer starts putting his product up his nose and ignores his contacts he's going to end up broke.
 
Well, I am all for people having abortions of they aren't willing to parent at all, or just raise their family on welfare. Kids who aren't raised or parented do grow up to be a problem for the rest of us.

You simply can't force parental responsibility.


 
Nobody allows Jackson and Sharpton to do anything. They speak because they have the right to.
I can speak because I have a right to as well. But you don't see me parading in front of people. No one would follow me. Idiots follow those two.

I find it odd that you seem to think you know what ideas are "supported by the majority of the black race" when you don't even seem to know about the diverse opinions black Americans have about Jackson and Sharpton.
Seems to me that both of these men have long been held up as leaders and role models in the black community. If they hadn't, no one would listen when they speak anymore.
I don't like Jackson, but he doesn't "play the victim card."
Sure TPD.
Well, if you'd like for me to look at the statistics, we could find quite a few things white people are better than black people at. For instance, we are better at not killing each other off than black people are. We're better at not getting thrown into jail. We're better at completing high school. I could keep going. Of course, all of these FACTS make me racist in your eyes so we'll move to my next point.
I will agree with you that Limbaugh is an idiot. And what happened when he called Sandra Fluke a slut and prostitute? He lost a lot of sponsors, a lot of white conservatives spoke out against him (including the so called idiot Bill O'Reilly), and he has lost a lot of listeners. That is how a "white idiot" is handled by white people.
Bill O'Reilly is not an idiot. The guy donates more of his time and money to charity than Pres Obama, Vice Pres Biden, and Nancy Pelosi combined. Also, the guy does not automatically side with someone because they have an (R) by their name like Limbaugh does. Does he get loud and sometimes obnoxious on his show? Yeah, a little. However, he gets no less obnoxious than Jon Stewart. Why didn't you call him an idiot? Because you agree with him more often than O'Reilly? They're both political entertainers. Should they not be looked at the same? How about Keith Olbermann? Why didn't you call him out?
 

This is precisely one of the top reasons as to why adults who aren't a kid's parent sometimes need to speak up and condemn their behavior.
 
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