The Hereafter?

[cnredd]

BRAINS!! MUST EAT BRAINS! I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS MY SAViOR, AND IT MAKES ME NEED TO EAT BRAINS!

You're in the midwest...ain't gonna find no brains there....

 

[galenrox]

You're in the midwest...ain't gonna find no brains there....

Oh you mother****er, at least I'm not from the state that elected Ricky "Even Married Couples Shouldn't Have Sex Except for Reproductive Purposes" Santorum!

 

[cnredd]

Oh you mother****er, at least I'm not from the state that elected Ricky "Even Married Couples Shouldn't Have Sex Except for Reproductive Purposes" Santorum!

How com* ev*ry on* *f y*ur sentenc*s ha* t* hav* an ast*ri*k
*n *t?

 

[Kelzie]

How com* ev*ry on* *f y*ur sentenc*s ha* t* hav* an ast*ri*k
*n *t?

He has a potty mouth.:mrgreen:

 

[robin]

The Word of God is infallible.

How can you know for sure that every single word in the Bible is the word of God ?

 

[TJS0110]

I'm one of those catholics who is.....how do you say it.......NOT INSANE!
He still hasen't replied without saying some quote. He isn't thinking for himself.

 

[galenrox]

he's not gonna be replying anything anymore, he got banned for calling Martin Luther King "that nigger"

 

[TJS0110]

wow see he is crazy he sais he's a christian but he is raceist....I see controdictions in his future.

 

[HTColeman]

wow see he is crazy he sais he's a christian but he is raceist....I see controdictions in his future.

He was a very confused individual, he hated Jews, yet was seduced by a jewish woman, he thought he was Christian, but he was just hateful, oh yeah, he thought Hitler and God were homies.

Anyway I put "stasis till Judgment Day", that comes from my belief in the Bible and Revelations. However, I could be wrong, I believe there is a Heaven and Hell. So its either instantly in heaven/hell or stasis, either way it doesn't matter, just good to know.

 

[TJS0110]

revalations is a great part of the bible kinda freaky but good. I read it very interesting. I dont know i believe that we all go to heaven or hell but i also believe that there is a final judgement for those who are on earth

 

[galenrox]

revalations is a great part of the bible kinda freaky but good. I read it very interesting. I dont know i believe that we all go to heaven or hell but i also believe that there is a final judgement for those who are on earth

you wanna know something kinda weird but cool? When I was like 6 or 7 my dad and I read the book of revelations as bedtime stories!

 

[HTColeman]

revalations is a great part of the bible kinda freaky but good. I read it very interesting. I dont know i believe that we all go to heaven or hell but i also believe that there is a final judgement for those who are on earth

I've read it a few times, it is very confusing. It weaves in and out of symbolic meanings and literal meanings. Also, there is no guarantee that it was written in the order that it would happen. Like, will the remaining christians be raptured and then the world goes to the pits, or will the world go to the pits and then the faithful one raptured?

 

[TJS0110]

Actualy my sister read it to me when i was young. No wonder we're into polotics

 

[HTColeman]

you wanna know something kinda weird but cool? When I was like 6 or 7 my dad and I read the book of revelations as bedtime stories!

Aha! So that's what's wrong with you!

 

[Fantasea]

Jesus also said that everyone is your neighbor(everyone not just people who think like you) Besides its not your place to judge whos right or wrong its Gods.

The Spiritual works of Mercy enumerated and required of Christians are:

To instruct the ignorant;
To counsel the doubtful;
To admonish sinners;
To bear wrongs patiently;
To forgive offences willingly;
To comfort the afflicted;
To pray for the living and the dead.

In order to comply with the first, second, third, and sixth, one, having made observations, must draw conslusions that some overt action is indicated.

Does this not constitute 'judgement'? Of course it does. What this tells us is that to judge the actions of others is not intrinsically wrong, but, on the other hand, is often a required action.

Where is the line drawn? At what point does the following become operative: "judge not, lest ye shall be judged"?

 

[HTColeman]

The Spiritual works of Mercy enumerated and required of Christians are:

To instruct the ignorant;
To counsel the doubtful;
To admonish sinners;
To bear wrongs patiently;
To forgive offences willingly;
To comfort the afflicted;
To pray for the living and the dead.

In order to comply with the first, second, third, and sixth, one, having made observations, must draw conslusions that some overt action is indicated.

Does this not constitute 'judgement'? Of course it does. What this tells us is that to judge the actions of others is not intrinsically wrong, but, on the other hand, is often a required action.

Where is the line drawn? At what point does the following become operative: "judge not, lest ye shall be judged"?

What Bible did that come from? My bible says;

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Luke 6:37 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

 

[Fantasea]

How can you know for sure that every single word in the Bible is the word of God ?

There are two positions.

The first believes that the writings of the scriveners of the Bible were the result of Divine Guidance. Hence, the word of God.

The second believes that the writings of the scriveners of the Bible were of their own concoction. Hence fiction, invention, anecdote, story, tale, yarn.

The first position is held by persons of faith.

One who is seeking certainty won't find it in the arena of religion but would be well advised to consider mathematics instead.

To me, one of the most interesting aspects of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is the tracing of the geneology of Christ's human family through every generation to Adam and Eve. Given the monumental task of constructing such a 'family tree' thousands of years ago is sufficient indication that the scriveners were simply as stenographers taking dictation from the "Boss".

 

[HTColeman]

There are two positions.

The first believes that the writings of the scriveners of the Bible were the result of Divine Guidance. Hence, the word of God.

The second believes that the writings of the scriveners of the Bible were of their own concoction. Hence fiction, invention, anecdote, story, tale, yarn.

The first position is held by persons of faith.

One who is seeking certainty won't find it in the arena of religion but would be well advised to consider mathematics instead.

To me, one of the most interesting aspects of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is the tracing of the geneology of Christ's human family through every generation to Adam and Eve. Given the monumental task of constructing such a 'family tree' thousands of years ago is sufficient indication that the scriveners were simply as stenographers taking dictation from the "Boss".

Yeah, for the most part, you have to take a leap of faith, which is up to you to decide.

But you can look at some logical aspects. The books of the Bible were written hundreds of years apart. Especially the Old and New testament

Psalm 41:9-10 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Even my own familiar friend in whom I trusted,
Who ate my bread,
Has lifted up his heel against me.

10 But You, O LORD, be merciful to me, and raise me up,
That I may repay them.

This was a prophecy made in Psalms, in the Old Testament. Then in the New Testament, hundreds of years later, Jesus sat at the table, during passover, and gave bread to all of his disciples, and one of his disciples, who ate the bread, betrayed him to the gov't to have him killed. Then, Jesus rose as predicted for all of our sins.

 

[Fantasea]

Originally Posted by Fantasea
The Spiritual works of Mercy enumerated and required of Christians are:

To instruct the ignorant;
To counsel the doubtful;
To admonish sinners;
To bear wrongs patiently;
To forgive offences willingly;
To comfort the afflicted;
To pray for the living and the dead.

In order to comply with the first, second, third, and sixth, one, having made observations, must draw conslusions that some overt action is indicated.

Does this not constitute 'judgement'? Of course it does. What this tells us is that to judge the actions of others is not intrinsically wrong, but, on the other hand, is often a required action.

Where is the line drawn? At what point does the following become operative: "judge not, lest ye shall be judged"?

What Bible did that come from? My bible says;

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Luke 6:37 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

The question becomes whether one should simply ignore the actions of others or to intervene if intervention seems to be the better course. However, this does involve making a judgement, doesn't it?

What do you think? Does one ignore the straying lamb, the alcoholic, the drug user, the compulsive gambler, the abusive spouse or parent, and stand idly by as an individual or family suffers as a result of destructive behavior?

Does one turn his back saying, "It's none of my business."?

I have no idea of how the followers of Henry VIII, who elevated a common marital dispute to the formation of a whole new religion and required his subjects, under pain of death, to join, see things. However, Roman Catholics, who diligently practice their faith, observe the Spiritual Works of Mercy and see things this way:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm

 

[HTColeman]

The question becomes whether one should simply ignore the actions of others or to intervene if intervention seems to be the better course. However, this does involve making a judgement, doesn't it?

What do you think? Does one ignore the straying lamb, the alcoholic, the drug user, the compulsive gambler, the abusive spouse or parent, and stand idly by as an individual or family suffers as a result of destructive behavior?

Does one turn his back saying, "It's none of my business."?

I have no idea of how the followers of Henry VIII, who elevated a common marital dispute to the formation of a whole new religion and required his subjects, under pain of death, to join, see things. However, Roman Catholics, who diligently practice their faith, observe the Spiritual Works of Mercy and see things this way:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm

You do not have to judge to help someone. You may realize they are struggling, but that is not judging them. In fact, you render yourself less able to help if first you judge them.

 

[TJS0110]

The Spiritual works of Mercy enumerated and required of Christians are:

To instruct the ignorant;
To counsel the doubtful;
To admonish sinners;
To bear wrongs patiently;
To forgive offences willingly;
To comfort the afflicted;
To pray for the living and the dead.

In order to comply with the first, second, third, and sixth, one, having made observations, must draw conslusions that some overt action is indicated.

Does this not constitute 'judgement'? Of course it does. What this tells us is that to judge the actions of others is not intrinsically wrong, but, on the other hand, is often a required action.

Where is the line drawn? At what point does the following become operative: "judge not, lest ye shall be judged"?

I made that statement in response to comment a nazi made. I said it because he was useing judgement to condemn the jews.

 

[HTColeman]

I have no idea of how the followers of Henry VIII, who elevated a common marital dispute to the formation of a whole new religion and required his subjects, under pain of death, to join, see things. However, Roman Catholics, who diligently practice their faith, observe the Spiritual Works of Mercy and see things this way:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm

I follow neither Henry VIII nor the pope. I follow God, and I read the Bible for myself. Looking at that article, a couple things bothered me, it made a lot of assumptions, as if it is our responsibility to be the moral police of the world. We can only help people and tell them about God, God said that he will to the conversions, we just plant the seed. Also, about fraternal correction, they made it seem as though Matthew 18:15 justified correcting people that you think are doing wrong, but that is out of context. It says to talk to those who have wronged you, and tell them what they did against you. It is talking about conflict resolving, not judgement.

Matthew 18:15
15"If your brother sins against you,[a] go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

 

[Tashah]

I made that statement in response to comment a nazi made. I said it because he was useing judgement to condemn the jews.

I've also noted our little skinhead interloper. Quite inexplicable how trash even finds its way into The Hereafter.

 

[Fantasea]

Originally Posted by Fantasea
The question becomes whether one should simply ignore the actions of others or to intervene if intervention seems to be the better course. However, this does involve making a judgement, doesn't it?

What do you think? Does one ignore the straying lamb, the alcoholic, the drug user, the compulsive gambler, the abusive spouse or parent, and stand idly by as an individual or family suffers as a result of destructive behavior?

Does one turn his back saying, "It's none of my business."?

I have no idea of how the followers of Henry VIII, who elevated a common marital dispute to the formation of a whole new religion and required his subjects, under pain of death, to join, see things. However, Roman Catholics, who diligently practice their faith, observe the Spiritual Works of Mercy and see things this way:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm

You do not have to judge to help someone. You may realize they are struggling, but that is not judging them. In fact, you render yourself less able to help if first you judge them.

Forgive me, but I believe that what you wrote is a perfect illustration of the following Merriam-Webster's word definition:

quibble[1]
(verb) 1 : to evade the point of an argument by caviling about words; 2 a : CAVIL , CARP ; b : BICKER : to subject to quibbles
quibble[2]
(noun) 1 : an evasion of or shift from the point; 2 : a minor objection or criticism

 

[HTColeman]

Forgive me, but I believe that what you wrote is a perfect illustration of the following Merriam-Webster's word definition:

quibble[1]
(verb) 1 : to evade the point of an argument by caviling about words; 2 a : CAVIL , CARP ; b : BICKER : to subject to quibbles
quibble[2]
(noun) 1 : an evasion of or shift from the point; 2 : a minor objection or criticism

Allow me to illustrate my posts relevance

You said: However, this does involve making a judgement, doesn't it?
You do not have to judge to help someone

Does one ignore the straying lamb, the alcoholic, the drug user, the compulsive gambler, the abusive spouse or parent, and stand idly by as an individual or family suffers as a result of destructive behavior?

You may realize they are struggling, but that is not judging them. In fact, you render yourself less able to help if first you judge them.


I don't have to rant and list example after example to respond to a post, not that you do