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The height of hypocrisy......

I think both sides of this argument about sex in childhood are correct thus there’s really no reason to argue about it. If it weren’t taboo and illegal, statutory rape could conceivably considered “normal” due to its prevalence in our society. Thousands of these cases come before our courts every year but it’s not unthinkable to believe that the majority of them do not – due to them staying secret or there being a decision made not to go to the authorities for a variety of reasons. This has touched my life, not only in my own childhood, but also the lives of two of my daughters so I have always been observant of this subject to one degree or another. Sometimes it causes trauma. Sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t think it hinges on whether the victim is male or female but more on the individual child’s overall mental health and the nature of their relationship with the molester. For example, I believe incestual relationships are more likely to cause mental turbulence than an inappropriate relationship with say, a neighbor or acquaintance – assuming that there is no overt coercion or any other form of “passive” force.
 
i think that the issue is more based around the teacher/student trust being broken. as a parent; you send your children to go to school to learn, and are forced to trust the educators... i'm certainly not opposed to sex ed; but... not like THAT....:shock:
 
aps said:
Hmmm, so even if I engaged in consensual sex with my boyfriend when I was 16 years old (which would be labeled "statutory rape") you're going to say that it was "bad"? I loved that guy, and I have no regrets. Unless your feelings of "bad" are for religious reasons, I am not sure if you truly understand the meaning of rape. Really.
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You were 16, was your boyfriend 25? This girl was 14..The guy was 25.......There is a huge difference.........


Oh and someone made the comment that the woman was beautiful which has nothing to do with it..........She is a predator, a person on authority as a teacher, and she broke the law........
 
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dragonslayer said:
Sorry , while you are way off base about many things, I agree with you about this one. Judge must have been conservative wanted her body and you have to admit she is pretty.
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Yeah, I am glad we don't agree on many issues and as far as the rest of your post, that is the reason we don't agree on anything..........:roll:
 
mixedmedia said:
Hey now, none of that smutty talk here. This is serious.
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Did you even read what sissy boy said?

Oh and why didn't you admonish dragon slayer.....His comment was just as childish......
 
Navy Pride said:
Did you even read what sissy boy said?

Oh and why didn't you admonish dragon slayer.....His comment was just as childish......
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I was being facetious. Making light of DeeJayH's use of the term "screwed up positions." Guess I should have used a smilie.

Now here is my new challenge.....Can I make Navy Pride laugh? :mrgreen:
 
Navy Pride said:
You were 16, was your boyfriend 25? This girl was 14..The guy was 25.......There is a huge difference.........


Oh and someone made the comment that the woman was beautiful which has nothing to do with it..........She is a predator, a person on authority as a teacher, and she broke the law........
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You've got it backwards. And a wide age difference is not in itself a reliable factor to gauge the damage inflicted by child molestation.
 
mixedmedia said:
I was being facetious. Making light of DeeJayH's use of the term "screwed up positions." Guess I should have used a smilie.

Now here is my new challenge.....Can I make Navy Pride laugh? :mrgreen:
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I laugh all the time when I read some of the posts in this forum........Present company excluded....:lol:
 
mixedmedia said:
You've got it backwards. And a wide age difference is not in itself a reliable factor to gauge the damage inflicted by child molestation.
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To be brutally honest though, I think the reason so many committing statutory rape do get off with light sentences is based mostly on the 'harm' factor. When sex is consensual or even initiated by a minor, it is difficult to make a case for physical injury or trauma as would be the case if the child was threatened, coerced, extorted, or forced. The latter would or should carry much more severe penalty than the former.

In the case of a boss or a teacher or other authority figure, however, a high standard must be applied and improper behavior with minor employees, students, etc. cannot be tolerated. I don't think anybody thinks we should just wink and look the other way no matter how horny the boys or how seductive the girls.
 
mixedmedia said:
You've got it backwards. And a wide age difference is not in itself a reliable factor to gauge the damage inflicted by child molestation.
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Well I think it is............if you have a 17 year old boy and a 15 year old girl having sex I don't think the tramatic experience would be as bad as if you had a 25 year old man and a 14 year old girl.....I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this........

One question though if you had a 14 year old daughter which scenario would bother you more...........
 
I think the point some of you are missing is a 14 year old can not legally consent.............
 
Navy Pride said:
I laugh all the time when I read some of the posts in this forum........
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I must be psychic for I knew you were going to say this.


Present company excluded....:lol:
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This I did not expect. :3oops:
 
Navy Pride said:
You were 16, was your boyfriend 25? This girl was 14..The guy was 25.......There is a huge difference.........


Oh and someone made the comment that the woman was beautiful which has nothing to do with it..........She is a predator, a person on authority as a teacher, and she broke the law........
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Yes yes, Navy Pride, I agree with you. She is a predator and at least she will show up on the sexual offender registry.
 
Navy Pride said:
I laugh all the time when I read some of the posts in this forum........Present company excluded....:lol:
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Wait a minute, you are insulting me, aren't you? I take it back.
 
mixedmedia said:
Wait a minute, you are insulting me, aren't you? I take it back.
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I think he was joking with you, mixedmedia. It was an insult, but a joking insult. I like Navy Pride. He is a good person (no matter how twisted his political thoughts are ;)).
 
Navy Pride said:
Well I think it is............if you have a 17 year old boy and a 15 year old girl having sex I don't think the tramatic experience would be as bad as if you had a 25 year old man and a 14 year old girl.....I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this........

One question though if you had a 14 year old daughter which scenario would bother you more...........
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I'll say it again, it depends on the nature of the relationship.

And I'll make an admission here - when I was 15 I was "dating" a 35-year-old man. Now I really don't want to go into any more detail than that - I know it raises a lot of questions in people's minds, but I shouldn't have to go into that to make my point. I just want to purport that the nature of the relationship was mild and non-traumatic to me. I am a capable and productive citizen and parent. I have a zestful and, for the most part, positive outlook on life. I've never abused drugs or alcohol. I am not promiscuous. I suffer no anxieties or irrational fears. I don’t hate men. I have lived a normal life otherwise. I could have had a relationship with a boy closer to my age that could have involved physical or mental abuse that would leave me scarred for life. I could have been involved in an incestual relationship with my brother or a cousin that would leave me burdened with guilt and shame. Or, if I were someone else, just the simple fact of an affair with an older man could have waged huge negative consequences. Everyone is different and these relationships can play out in a variety of ways - age is not alone a determining factor in whether there is lasting damage. Mitigating factors created by the characters of the people involved and the nature of their relationships is by far more telling.

In a simple black & white world, would I prefer one of my daughters to have a sexual relationship with a boy their age than a grown man? In such a world, yes. But I know there is no such a world.

That's my point and that’s all I have to say about that.
 
aps said:
I think he was joking with you, mixedmedia. It was an insult, but a joking insult. I like Navy Pride. He is a good person (no matter how twisted his political thoughts are ;)).
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Yeah, I know. He's not so bad once you recover from the shock. :mrgreen:
 
aps said:
Yes yes, Navy Pride, I agree with you. She is a predator and at least she will show up on the sexual offender registry.
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Yes but she should be in jail like a man would be.........
 
mixedmedia said:
I'll say it again, it depends on the nature of the relationship.

And I'll make an admission here - when I was 15 I was "dating" a 35-year-old man. Now I really don't want to go into any more detail than that - I know it raises a lot of questions in people's minds, but I shouldn't have to go into that to make my point. I just want to purport that the nature of the relationship was mild and non-traumatic to me. I am a capable and productive citizen and parent. I have a zestful and, for the most part, positive outlook on life. I've never abused drugs or alcohol. I am not promiscuous. I suffer no anxieties or irrational fears. I don’t hate men. I have lived a normal life otherwise. I could have had a relationship with a boy closer to my age that could have involved physical or mental abuse that would leave me scarred for life. I could have been involved in an incestual relationship with my brother or a cousin that would leave me burdened with guilt and shame. Or, if I were someone else, just the simple fact of an affair with an older man could have waged huge negative consequences. Everyone is different and these relationships can play out in a variety of ways - age is not alone a determining factor in whether there is lasting damage. Mitigating factors created by the characters of the people involved and the nature of their relationships is by far more telling.

In a simple black & white world, would I prefer one of my daughters to have a sexual relationship with a boy their age than a grown man? In such a world, yes. But I know there is no such a world.

That's my point and that’s all I have to say about that.
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And I'll make an admission here - when I was 15 I was "dating" a 35-year-old man. Now I really don't want to go into any more detail than that
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I don't blame you but I can tell you this, if I had a daughter and some 35 year old guy was sleeping with her his ass would be 6 feet under and I would take my chances with the court system and that is no reflection on you............

My daughter was 15 at one time..........
 
Navy Pride said:
Yes but she should be in jail like a man would be.........
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I agree with you there. I was appalled when I read that her attorney wanted a plea agreement because of what would happen to her in jail. Well, she should have thought of that before engaging in the behavior that she did. She is 25 years old--she's not some stupid teenager who doesn't have the maturity to fully comprehend the consequences of her actions.

The only reason I supported the plea agreement is because that is what the kid wanted. I don't think he felt he was "raped."
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't blame you but I can tell you this, if I had a daughter and some 35 year old guy was sleeping with her his ass would be 6 feet under and that is no reflection on you............
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LOL I agree with you.

mixedmedia, you must have been some 14-year-old. ;) How did your parents feel about this? If you don't want to share, that's cool.
 
mixedmedia said:
Yeah, I know. He's not so bad once you recover from the shock. :mrgreen:
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I would tell you two to get a room for your mutual admiration society but that would not be nice.........;)
 
Navy Pride said:
I would tell you two to get a room for your mutual admiration society but that would not be nice.........;)
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Sounds like they want a threesome fella, luck you.;)
 
LMAO! I think it is sooooooooo hilarious that all men get excited about the thought of two women. I dated a guy some time ago, who said he thought it was gross. I asked him if he was just saying that because he was worried that I would judge him. He said no. For some reason, that really bothered me. *assisting six string with webcam* ;)
 
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