The height of hypocrisy......

[aps]

Okay, I just watched The Abraham's Report this morning. They were talking about teachers having sex with their students. There was a woman teacher in New York who had sex with a bunch of 16 and 17 year old kids. Apparently, she had sex with some of them in front of other kids. What the fukk is the matter with her?

Anyway, she was not convicted for the sex she had with the 17 year olds because that is the age of consent. She was convicted for having sex with the 16 year olds and sentenced to 6 months in jail. They interviewed one of the kids who was at the age of consent when he had sex with her. Apparently, their first experience was at the back of a bus with others around. In hearing this kid speak, it made me realize just how truly despicable Debra LaFave is. He sounded very immature, and that's not to say that the 14 year old kid isn't mature, but come on. She should have received jail time, plain and simple.

 

[mixedmedia]

i am sorry but dont all the liberal yahoos that want to understand pedophiles and child molesters, all but universally agree, that the predators are almost always victims?

so yes, in all likelihood, it is very probable that you will end up being that piece of trash 'who wanted to be a cool mom' so she supplied kids with drugs and had sex with them. Maybe that is a side of reality you choose not to deal with, but that is the reality i have learned about in my years on this shithole

I was gang raped by 6 men in my early 20's ( i noticed everyone just glazed over my earlier post stating that)
I had trouble dealing with it immediately thereafter, because i passed out immediately upon penetration by the first guy, which resulted in an earth shattering POP and lightning bolt of agony that made me pass out/black out immediately
but since i have dealt with it and lead a 'normal and productive life' since, maybe we should legalize FORCIBLE RAPE

sure sounds like it from the lame argument you made about how you were raped and it had no consequences

Well, I am 40 years old now and a mother. I have yet to give drugs to or molest children. And who said ANYTHING about legalizing sex with minors. In fact I made my opinion on that quite clear. But obviously, you were only skimming my posts. Obviously, you will accept nothing but a life of victimization & "shitholes" from children who were molested. You do none of us any justice. Keep your kind thoughts to yourself.

Your experience is yours, you have shared it. Mine is mine. My sister was forcibly raped in her twenties, her throat was cut - her experience and recovery was different than yours.

I am truly sorry for what happened to you. I'm sorry you felt your admission didn't get enough attention. That is not my fault.

Let me ask you if you are parent:
Assuming the obvious, that there will never be a death penalty for child molesters, would you prefer to have somone in your neighborhood who molested a child once, served their punishment and went on with a normal life. Or, someone who obsessively masturbates about having sex with or raping your six year old? THAT IS LIFE, TOO. Right now we make no distinctions and that is why so many of these dangerous men get put back out on our streets again and again. Modern psychology can easily make these distinctions. Pedophiles warrant special consideration in our courtrooms. That is my point. And it has nothing to do with liberal or conservative politics. It has to do with keeping our children safe.

 

[mixedmedia]

OMG, mixedmedia is rejecting me.

lol, don't feel that way. I love you for your mind not your body.

 

[mixedmedia]

I am so sorry this happened to you because such an experience leaves an indelible imprint that can never be erased. My previous post on this subject was also glossed over. There is a difference between sex that is forced, coerced, extorted, or brought about through fear or intimidation versus those relationships in which things get out of hand when an older person and a minor fall in love. Probably every one of us knows at least one circumstance in which the latter happened. There is no way to relate any degree of trauma in consensual relationships. There is always trauma when sex is forced on a child. And the penalties should be much more severe for the latter than the former.

Nevertheless, when there is improper conduct with a minor by an adult entrusted with the care and safety of that minor, this cannot be allowed without consequences and such consequences should be quite serious. There are no consequences severe enough, however, for sexual predators who intentionally harm or hurt children.

This sums up very nicely what I have been trying to say. Good post, AlbqOwl.

 

[sissy-boy]

I certainly don't support discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. But here in Florida, oral sex is given the same designation as intercourse in child molestation cases. Or, you know, now that I think about it, maybe that's just for children under 12. I may have to go look that up later. But basically there are no punitive degrees between the different types of penetrative sex.

I think they should be the same. But in the Limon case the man got DOUBLE the sentence that a heterosexual male would have got for committing the SAME act on a little girl. It's discriminatory.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I dunno. . .would it shock you if I, being a 16 year old, said I would like to have sex with her?

Hell I'm 37 and wouldn't mind that....:rofl

I wish a teacher that looked like thatgave me that kind of attention when I was 16..lol

 

[debate_junkie]

The point I am trying to get accross to you is that if the prosecutor did not agree to a plea bargain there would not be one........I don't care what the mother says........

Well it's not your child, so what the mother says, on the child's behalf, is as it is, whether you like it or not. You cannot parent every kid, Navy (thank god for that) Just let it go, man!

 

[debate_junkie]

Well I think it is............if you have a 17 year old boy and a 15 year old girl having sex I don't think the tramatic experience would be as bad as if you had a 25 year old man and a 14 year old girl.....I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this........

One question though if you had a 14 year old daughter which scenario would bother you more...........

Both, because then I believe I have failed, as the mother of my daughter's to properly convey the importance of being prudent with one's sexuality.

Now, having said that, a 17 year old boy, with a 15 year old girl, could STILL be prosecuted under MOST states statutory rape laws. Why, because in many of the states, age of consent is 16. So Navy, while I understand the point you are trying to make, you cannot convince me that a 14 year old girl would never willingly have sex with a 25 year old man. Does that make it right? Absolutely not, however, your argument for "rape" is diffused with the willingness factor.

 

[Navy Pride]

Both, because then I believe I have failed, as the mother of my daughter's to properly convey the importance of being prudent with one's sexuality.

Now, having said that, a 17 year old boy, with a 15 year old girl, could STILL be prosecuted under MOST states statutory rape laws. Why, because in many of the states, age of consent is 16. So Navy, while I understand the point you are trying to make, you cannot convince me that a 14 year old girl would never willingly have sex with a 25 year old man. Does that make it right? Absolutely not, however, your argument for "rape" is diffused with the willingness factor.

I am sure she would but that does not make it right.......If you want to allow kids to have sex with adults then change the law...I don't really think you want that though..

Bottom line its called statuatory rape and a 25 year old that has sex with a 14 year old consenual or not should go to jail because a child can not legally give consent..............

 

[debate_junkie]

I am sure she would but that does not make it right.......If you want to allow kids to have sex with adults then change the law...I don't really think you want that though..

Bottom line its called statuatory rape and a 25 year old that has sex with a 14 year old consenual or not should go to jail because a child can not legally give consent..............

Well, Navy, note what I've highlighted in bold. I've heard you complain about the law... take your own advice for once

 

[Navy Pride]

Well, Navy, note what I've highlighted in bold. I've heard you complain about the law... take your own advice for once

What law are you talking about? Your not seriously saying that the statuatory rape law in each state should be repealed are you?

 

[debate_junkie]

What law are you talking about? Your not seriously saying that the statuatory rape law in each state should be repealed are you?

And you're not seriously that dense that you cannot understand the inferrence to your continuous argument that she should have gone to jail, that it should have been mandatory, once shown that MANY of these cases end up plea bargains? You want mandatory jail time, Navy... take your own advice and change the law. Man, do try to keep up, will you?

 

[Navy Pride]

And you're not seriously that dense that you cannot understand the inferrence to your continuous argument that she should have gone to jail, that it should have been mandatory, once shown that MANY of these cases end up plea bargains? You want mandatory jail time, Navy... take your own advice and change the law. Man, do try to keep up, will you?

I am sorry but that is my opinion........As I have said many times if it was a man they would lock him up and throw away the key.......

I don't want the Stat rape law repealed I want it enforced............

 

[debate_junkie]

I am sorry but that is my opinion........As I have said many times if it was a man they would lock him up and throw away the key.......

I don't want the Stat rape law repealed I want it enforced............

OMG you ARE that dense? no one mentioned repealing the stat law but YOU. If YOU want mandatory jail time in stat cases... CHANGE THE DAMN LAW to reflect that. Sheesh.... you truly are a brick wall, aren't you?

 

[Navy Pride]

OMG you ARE that dense? no one mentioned repealing the stat law but YOU. If YOU want mandatory jail time in stat cases... CHANGE THE DAMN LAW to reflect that. Sheesh.... you truly are a brick wall, aren't you?

Boy you really got a burr under your bonnet.......I don't want to change the...Just like all laws I want them enforced........What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[mixedmedia]

........As I have said many times if it was a man they would lock him up and throw away the key.......

Just saying this over and over does not make it true. Men get probation for these offenses often. I'll have to go find some examples for you. Because nothing short of that will convince you that every man who has ever molested a teenage girl has not wound up in prison. Or, you could stop being so hard-headed about it?

 

[alphieb]

Just saying this over and over does not make it true. Men get probation for these offenses often. I'll have to go find some examples for you. Because nothing short of that will convince you that every man who has ever molested a teenage girl has not wound up in prison. Or, you could stop being so hard-headed about it?

My husband is an Attorney and does State Public Defender work. He has some State appointed clients out on bond for molestation. They will probably get a slap on the wrist (sickening). I tried to talk him into withdrawaling from the case, because they make me sick. The thought that they are walking the streets awaiting trial is real scary. I could not represent that low form of life. We have had battles over it.

He also has a client that rapped his sister out on bond. So there ya go Navy Pride....I work in his office and see it first hand. It seems drug dealers get more punishment.

 

[alphieb]

Trust me, the evidence is overwhelming too. When they come in for appointments I go in the back room, because I don't even want to look at them.

 

[Navy Pride]

Just saying this over and over does not make it true. Men get probation for these offenses often. I'll have to go find some examples for you. Because nothing short of that will convince you that every man who has ever molested a teenage girl has not wound up in prison. Or, you could stop being so hard-headed about it?

I just can't believe you don't believe there is a double standard for men who commit this crime......I can only surmise by your comments that you a hard core feminist who can only see one side of this issue......Even other women on this thread like aps have admitted there is a double standard......Take off your blinders for a minute and you will see it too....

 

[26 X World Champs]

I just can't believe you don't believe there is a double standard for men who commit this crime.

You keep writing this as if it is a fact yet you never, ever provide any facts to support your claim? I think we might start believing you if you would simply prove your point with facts rather than opinion.

If this is such a slam dunk as you claim it should be equally easy to find stats that support your position?

 

[debate_junkie]

Boy you really got a burr under your bonnet.......I don't want to change the...Just like all laws I want them enforced........What is so hard to understand about that?

The law WAS enforced, and the proper sentencing given in the case, in accordance to MANY precedents set. Men DON'T always go to jail for sleeping with underage girls. In the wake of Megan's law, they are now more than likely to get probation, and registered on the state's Sex Offender reg. So let me see if I have this right... you want her to go to jail. BUT since mandatory jail time ISN'T written in stone, you're screaming for her to go to jail would be a moot point, wouldn't it, without changing the law to reflect what it is you want? Oh boy, Navy...sometimes I think you don't know what you believe.

 

[mixedmedia]

http://www.seminolesheriff.org/drawRegistrationIndex.php?sex=1


Here you go, Navy Pride. Here is the sex offender registration web site for my county here in Florida. Notice the number of men sentenced to probation for lewd & lascivious or sexual battery offenses on children under the age of sixteen who received sentences as little as 5 years of probation.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/sg_annual/0405/desctype.html

And here is document that outlines offense types by punishment imposed in the state of Florida. Check out the probation column. How much of those percentages do you suppose is being comprised by women?

Here is what Debra Lafave was charged with:

(4) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.--A person who:

(a) Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age; or

(b) Encourages, forces, or entices any person less than 16 years of age to engage in sadomasochistic abuse, sexual bestiality, prostitution, or any other act involving sexual activity

commits lewd or lascivious battery, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Now compare her punishment with that of the many, many men you will find in my first link above.

Debra Lafave, 25, whose sensational case made tabloid headlines, will serve three years of house arrest and seven years' probation. She pleaded guilty to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery.

This should take care of this business. Enjoy.

 

[akyron]

Oh please! MOST teenagers are sexually active by the time they are 16.

No they aren't.


Nearly 3 in 10 young teens 'sexually active'

3 in 10 is not "most" and even if they were they should be aware of the inherent dangers. This isn't the 70s anymore and herbisimplex variants has gone through many different permutations to make it stronger than ever.

Perhaps you meant homosexual males which can be a different story altogether.

Psychological issues is just one more reason to show caution.

Sexually Active Teenagers Are More Likely to Be Depressed and to Attempt Suicide

and on and on blah blah blah.

Advocating underage sex without supplying information to the dangers therein is irresponsible.

 

[Navy Pride]

http://www.seminolesheriff.org/drawRegistrationIndex.php?sex=1


Here you go, Navy Pride. Here is the sex offender registration web site for my county here in Florida. Notice the number of men sentenced to probation for lewd & lascivious or sexual battery offenses on children under the age of sixteen who received sentences as little as 5 years of probation.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/sg_annual/0405/desctype.html

And here is document that outlines offense types by punishment imposed in the state of Florida. Check out the probation column. How much of those percentages do you suppose is being comprised by women?

Here is what Debra Lafave was charged with:



Now compare her punishment with that of the many, many men you will find in my first link above.



This should take care of this business. Enjoy.

We are talking about rape not those other offenses.......

 

[mixedmedia]

We are talking about rape not those other offenses.......

What is wrong with you? "These other offenses" are exactly the same thing. Sex with minors under the age of 16. You are simply unable to admit you are dead wrong. Why even bother trying to fight it? I would have let you walk away peacably.