The height of hypocrisy......

[Navy Pride]

So if a prostitute is raped it is not as heinous as the rape of a woman who is not?

Read what i said will you......damn!!!!

 

[Gibberish]

Both sides of this argument seem to be mixing the two rapes when there is a fine line between them..

A 25 year old forcing sex on a 14 year old is rape. A 19 year old having sex with a 16 year old that is willing is not rape in the same terms as the first instance. Even if the females father concludes otherwise.

If the two individuals are considered peers (which in most cases is within 4-5 years age difference) and the sex is concentual I don't think it should be classified as rape at all. If one person bullied or pressured the other then action should be taken accordingly.

 

[aps]

Both sides of this argument seem to be mixing the two rapes when there is a fine line between them..

A 25 year old forcing sex on a 14 year old is rape. A 19 year old having sex with a 16 year old that is willing is not rape in the same terms as the first instance. Even if the females father concludes otherwise.

If the two individuals are considered peers (which in most cases is within 4-5 years age difference) and the sex is concentual I don't think it should be classified as rape at all. If one person bullied or pressured the other then action should be taken accordingly.

Do you have evidence that the 25-year-old in this case forced the 14-year-old to have sex with her? Check out the smoking gun website. It indicates that they engaged in consensual sex and that the 14-year-old BRAGGED to a friend of his about having sex with a "hot teacher."

Yes there is a serious age gap. Yes the teacher is total scum. But I haven't seen any evidence that the kid was forced to have sex with the teacher. NONE.

 

[Gibberish]

Do you have evidence that the 25-year-old in this case forced the 14-year-old to have sex with her? Check out the smoking gun website. It indicates that they engaged in consensual sex and that the 14-year-old BRAGGED to a friend of his about having sex with a "hot teacher."

I was generalizing, not speaking specifically to the article in debate but to the debate itself. Saying that it is only rape if the two individuals did not consent. I was going to put 10 year old as I thought that was the discussion since the 14 year old oddly turned into a 10 year old in Navy's posts. I assume Navy is generalizing as well.

Yes there is a serious age gap. Yes the teacher is total scum. But I haven't seen any evidence that the kid was forced to have sex with the teacher. NONE.

I doubt there is. It is likely the parents are mad and are twisting what happened so they can seek out some sort of constitution. That is merely my opinion of course.

 

[mixedmedia]

But its not the same situation........The boy or girl was 14 and I am sure your boyfriend was not 25 when you were 16.....

Oh and as far as rape vs stautatory rape goes they both are horrific crimes but it really depends on the situation as to which is worse.........

As for example if a prostittute gets raped its a terrible crime but it can not be compared with the statuatory rape of a 10 year old child......

I have read what you said.

Your last statement - to me it infers that the forcible rape of a prostitute is not as serious a crime as the rape of a woman who is not a prostitute. I take exception with that.

And as for my opinion, I believe the forcible rape of a prostitute is just as serious a crime as "consensual" sex with a 10 year old. They are both crimes likely perpetrated by people who are a real danger to society.

Where is there a real difference in severity? In between the sexual battery of an 8-10 year old child (for I don't believe that the term statutory rape is used for victims under the age of twelve) and the statutory rape of a 14-16 year old. The state of Florida views these crimes very differently. And rightfully so.

 

[aps]

I was generalizing, not speaking specifically to the article in debate but to the debate itself. Saying that it is only rape if the two individuals did not consent. I was going to put 10 year old as I thought that was the discussion since the 14 year old oddly turned into a 10 year old in Navy's posts. I assume Navy is generalizing as well.

I see what you're saying. I agree.

I doubt there is. It is likely the parents are mad and are twisting what happened so they can seek out some sort of constitution. That is merely my opinion of course.

I am guessing that's what happened as well. If I were a parent of a 14 year old and I found out that he/she had sex with a 25 year old, I would be enraged too, particularly in a teacher/student situation.

I hope society shuns her.

 

[DeeJayH]

Both sides of this argument seem to be mixing the two rapes when there is a fine line between them..

A 25 year old forcing sex on a 14 year old is rape. A 19 year old having sex with a 16 year old that is willing is not rape in the same terms as the first instance. Even if the females father concludes otherwise.

If the two individuals are considered peers (which in most cases is within 4-5 years age difference) and the sex is concentual I don't think it should be classified as rape at all. If one person bullied or pressured the other then action should be taken accordingly.

your name speaks volumes
you are unbelieveable
4-5 years?

so you are fine with 18 year olds banging 13 year olds, you are despicable
what the **** world did you grow up in
you have no clue as to the real world and the implications of such a concept

a Child is incapable of comprehending the long term affects of sex/pregnancy
an adult usually has a decent bead on things, but not always
children most definitely do not

and APS there is a huge difference between a 3 year gap and an 11 year gap
get a clue
will you be telling your daughter all about how to have good sex when she brings home someone 11 years older, even if she is 9?

 

[Navy Pride]

I have read what you said.

Your last statement - to me it infers that the forcible rape of a prostitute is not as serious a crime as the rape of a woman who is not a prostitute. I take exception with that.

And as for my opinion, I believe the forcible rape of a prostitute is just as serious a crime as "consensual" sex with a 10 year old. They are both crimes likely perpetrated by people who are a real danger to society.

Where is there a real difference in severity? In between the sexual battery of an 8-10 year old child (for I don't believe that the term statutory rape is used for victims under the age of twelve) and the statutory rape of a 14-16 year old. The state of Florida views these crimes very differently. And rightfully so.

both are horrible crimes but a prostitute forced to have sex, something she does all the time for money can hardly be compared to the raping of a child possibly tearing her apart physically because of the size of the man or ruining her mentally for the rest of her is quite a stretch even for someone who is a bleeding heart liberal.........

 

[Gibberish]

your name speaks volumes
you are unbelieveable
4-5 years?

Try reading more then my name next time. "If the two individuals are considered peers (which in most cases is within 4-5 years age difference) and the sex is concentual I don't think it should be classified as rape at all." Obviously a 9 or even 11 year old trying to have sex does not fall under "most cases".

so you are fine with 18 year olds banging 13 year olds, you are despicable
what the **** world did you grow up in

What world did you grow up in where 18 year olds trying to have sex with a 13 year old is something that happens often? I would hope I have taught my 13 year old enough to not be in that situation and how to walk away from it if put in the situation. If events still unfold then we are on the rape issue because of the lack of concent.

Teaching your teenager the consequences and how to make decisions is much better then assuming/hoping they can't make them or that they will never be in the situation.

a Child is incapable of comprehending the long term affects of sex/pregnancy

Nobody can comprehend the long term affects of sex/pregnancy untill you have sex/pregnancy no matter what age.

an adult usually has a decent bead on things, but not always
children most definitely do not

They have a "bead on things" from experiences they had not from their parents experiences or experiences they read about.

and APS there is a huge difference between a 3 year gap and an 11 year gap
get a clue
will you be telling your daughter all about how to have good sex when she brings home someone 11 years older, even if she is 9?

Are you trying to steal my name? When did I say it was ok for an 11 year gap?

 

[sissy-boy]

So if a 25 year old man raped a 14 year old girl and the same plea bargain was worked out you would not have a problem with that?

It wouldn't and 'no'. There would be a good reason for it. If you don't like it, why don't you try and become a JUDGE instead of your frantic WHINING about something that really is none of your business?

 

[Navy Pride]

It wouldn't and 'no'. There would be a good reason for it. If you don't like it, why don't you try and become a JUDGE instead of your frantic WHINING about something that really is none of your business?

I have a flash for you Sissy Boy.........This is a discussion forum..We discuss current events and political issues....If you don't like that don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out............

 

[mixedmedia]

both are horrible crimes but a prostitute forced to have sex, something she does all the time for money can hardly be compared to the raping of a child possibly tearing her apart physically because of the size of the man or ruining her mentally for the rest of her is quite a stretch even for someone who is a bleeding heart liberal.........

Rape is not sex, Navy Pride. So you're a man, right? I assume at one time or another you were quite active sexually. So if during this period of frequent sexual activity, a man or men were to accost you and rape you against your will it wouldn't be so bad because you are having consensual sex all the time? Am I understanding you here, Navy Pride? People who have a lot of sex shouldn't be so bothered by being raped?

You, Navy Pride, compared the statutory rape of a 10 year old girl and the forcible rape of a prostitute. In the case of the 10 year old, there is complicity - illegal, inappropriate, wrong, harmful, ****ed up complicity - but complicity none the less. The violence, terror, physical and mental trauma very often inflicted upon victims of rape should be given no less compassion regardless of what the victim's job is. Perhaps you could find it in your heart to feel even more compassion for a prostitute who is raped because very often they don't get the chance to live through it and recover.

I'm a bleeding heart? I wouldn't have it any other way, Navy Pride. Your disdain only gratifies me.

 

[akyron]

Please! RAPE does not equal STATUTORY RAPE. If you think both are equal you are insulting every RAPE victim. Equating a violent crime (RAPE) with a statutory crime is just plain wrong.

Getting hung up in the "it's illegal to have sex with someone 14" to the point that one thinks it's the same thing as someone holding a knife to your neck, beating you silly and then tearing off your clothes and forcing sex with you is wrong, dead wrong.

You dont have to hold a knife to a child to get them to do what you want.
They trust in adults for guidance and to break that trust is heinous indeed.


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*you are insulting every RAPE victim*
Take a deep breath champ. Some people like to make you foam at the mouth. I dont. It leads to heart attacks. It shows when you start attributing false words and actions to people. I havent insulted anyone...yet.
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[sissy-boy]

A 14 year old can not consent..........Its against the law for and adult to have sex with a 14 year old....Its a class a felony......Its called statuatory rape.........

Depends on the child. I was 15 when I had sex and I DID consent. I know tons of other people who had sex at a very young age with no ill effects. I think it depends on the maturity of the child. So your black & white view of the situation is simply foolish. You can't enter a legal arena with that kind of narrow minded view. It's just dumb.

 

[sissy-boy]

I have a flash for you Sissy Boy.........This is a discussion forum..We discuss current events and political issues....If you don't like that don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out............

My POINT Navy, is that you express your opinions on a legal case that you know NOTHING about. You were not at the trial. You did not hear all of the testimony or details. So it's just very narrow-minded of you to make these blanket statements of black & white on issues that you don't know much about. It's that kind of attitude that causes the rest of the world to think we're so stupid. The kind of 'bully' mentality that you somehow know more about this than the lawyers. NEWSFLASH: You DON'T.

 

[sissy-boy]

You dont have to hold a knife to a child to get them to do what you want.
They trust in adults for guidance and to break that trust is heinous indeed.


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*you are insulting every RAPE victim*
Take a deep breath champ. Some people like to make you foam at the mouth. I dont. It leads to heart attacks. It shows when you start attributing false words and actions to people. I havent insulted anyone...yet.
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How do YOU know that you can get kids to 'do what you want'?? That was a really creepy and suspect little point you made there. And the reason people appear to be 'foaming at the mouth' is because people like Navy don't even know what statutory rape is, yet that is all they talk about.

 

[DeeJayH]

Are you trying to steal my name? When did I say it was ok for an 11 year gap?

maybe you are unaware of the fact that one of the members here who participated in this thread is named APS
that is who i was addressing with the last two lines
which will be clear if reread my previous post

 

[aps]

maybe you are unaware of the fact that one of the members here who participated in this thread is named APS
that is who i was addressing with the last two lines
which will be clear if reread my previous post

You mean this question?
and APS there is a huge difference between a 3 year gap and an 11 year gap
get a clue
will you be telling your daughter all about how to have good sex when she brings home someone 11 years older, even if she is 9?

I think you miss my point. There is definitely a huge difference between a 3-year gap and an 11-year gap. I was talking about this particular case. There is no evidence whatsoever that the kid was forced to have sex with the bimbo. NONE.

 

[Navy Pride]

Bottom line is its against the law for a 25 year old to have sex with a 14 year old and it is a double standard for and adult woman to receive probation and for a man to have the book thrown at him........

Now people like sissy boy can say they had sex at 15 but I doubt if it was with someone 25 and if two fourteen year olds have sex it not the same thing.........To say its the same is just stupid...........

 

[aps]

Bottom line is its against the law for a 25 year old to have sex with a 14 year old and it is a double standard for and adult woman to receive probation and for a man to have the book thrown at him........

Now people like sissy boy can say they had sex at 15 but I doubt if it was with someone 25 and if two fourteen year olds have sex it not the same thing.........To say its the same is just stupid...........

Okay, Navy Pride, yes, I agree that it is a double standard. My whole beef with this thread was your comment that the judge must be a bleeding liberal.

 

[mixedmedia]

Navy Pride:
Bottom line is its against the law for a 25 year old to have sex with a 14 year old and it is a double standard for and adult woman to receive probation and for a man to have the book thrown at him........

Now people like sissy boy can say they had sex at 15 but I doubt if it was with someone 25 and if two fourteen year olds have sex it not the same thing.........To say its the same is just stupid...........

Okay, Navy Pride, yes, I agree that it is a double standard. My whole beef with this thread was your comment that the judge must be a bleeding liberal.

But its not a double standard. Men get off with light sentences for this kind of behavior all the time. To say that it isn't so is simply ignoring facts to further a baseless argument.

 

[Deegan]

But its not a double standard. Men get off with light sentences for this kind of behavior all the time. To say that it isn't so is simply ignoring facts to further a baseless argument.

I disagree. There is certainly a case to be made that young men are considered more able to defend themselves from advances, then young women are. This is certainly taken in to account when a case like this comes before a court, any court in this country. This is really a new scenario, and one that seems to be more common everyday. I would assume that the more common it becomes, the less likely it will be to be treated differently, but now it is.

 

[mixedmedia]

I disagree. There is certainly a case to be made that young men are considered more able to defend themselves from advances, then young women are. This is certainly taken in to account when a case like this comes before a court, any court in this country. This is really a new scenario, and one that seems to be more common everyday. I would assume that the more common it becomes, the less likely it will be to be treated differently, but now it is.

No, you don't understand me. Navy Pride is suggesting that men never get off with probationary sentences when they are charged with the statutory rape of teenage girls. That this woman only received it because she is a woman. It is simply not true.

 

[AlbqOwl]

No, you don't understand me. Navy Pride is suggesting that men never get off with probationary sentences when they are charged with the statutory rape of teenage girls. That this woman only received it because she is a woman. It is simply not true.

This is true. There are two sexual predators, both well-educated, white men with professional credentials, in my neighborhood according to the register. In checking the circumstances of these two, both were convicted of statutory rape and released on probation.

 

[Navy Pride]

Okay, Navy Pride, yes, I agree that it is a double standard. My whole beef with this thread was your comment that the judge must be a bleeding liberal.

Point taken aps..........I just don't believe a Conservative judge would have allowed a plea bargain in this case....We will just have to agree to disagree.......