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Texas Secessionsts Win GOP Backing for Independence Vote: 'Major Step'

Peter said:
Would it be possible to have a vote on the issue like the Scottish independence vote?
Could that be used as a starting gun for the process?
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Unlikely. Its my understanding that there is a good bit of support in Scotland.

IN Texas its just a few crackpots. Texas is a state run by corporations. This would be bad for business. So the crackpots can put their little cray crays on a piece of paper, but the real voters - corporations - will ignore it.
 
I have a phrase that when an associate refuses to act sensibly and engages in a stubborn point and won’t budge, I say the following to them:

“It’s time to learn the lesson.”

This phrase is followed by the associate doing the thing they want to do (to a certain point only) and then suffering the consequences of their stupidity.

Perhaps we let Texas go as a special exception. That way, when it all goes to shit for them and they want to come back to the US in 18 to 24 months, then they can “learn the lesson”. And in doing this, we can let the other secessionists learn before actualizing their dreams by watching Texas fail at being a nation in this day and age.

As pointed out, they loose a lot funding which will require high taxation to replace, their electrical grid is still shit and they get to deal with that, they will not have the ability to stem the tide of illegals AND have an army to do anything else with, oil companies will move headquarters…or…essentially be the government as they pay for everything, etc.

Let them “learn the lesson” and she. They come back, they will spend decades paying for the pleasure.
 
Jason Warfield said:
I have a phrase that when an associate refuses to act sensibly and engages in a stubborn point and won’t budge, I say the following to them:

“It’s time to learn the lesson.”
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That would be bad. We might do something crazy like conquer Canada or blow up Cuba. You forget, Texas is America's crazy uncle that makes Dad face palm all the time.
 
Peter said:
Would it be possible to have a vote on the issue like the Scottish independence vote?
Could that be used as a starting gun for the process?
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It wouldn't be that easy, not really. Scotland is recognize as pretty much a separate country much more than Texas is now, from my understanding (although there are similarities).

Our country itself would have to vote, but also the people within are first and foremost American citizens. What do you do with those Texans who don't want to be just Texans, but want to remain Americans? What about their land, their assets, their property in Texas? I don't think there is actually a vote of either there for actual secession, at least not from the majority of the population. The problem is really that the Texas government could manipulate things to give them the say, without any vote from the people. Plus, even if it is a 55/45 vote to secede, that would still be a lot of people in Texas that did not want to secede, which could make a difference if the secession itself doesn't have support of the US either.
 
And if it worked all federal highway funds gone, all federal disaster funds gone, all US military bases in Texas removed, any federal education funds gone, any federal programs at all gone.
Just how high do you think Texas taxes would soar trying to compensate?
 
zincwarrior said:
That would be bad. We might do something crazy like conquer Canada or blow up Cuba. You forget, Texas is America's crazy uncle that makes Dad face palm all the time.
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"conquer Canada"? Everytime the U.S. tried, we got our butts beat.
 
Along Came Jones said:
Plank 203 of the Texas GOP's [2024] official legislative platform, under the title of "Texas Independence," states: "The Texas Legislature should pass a bill in its next session requiring a referendum in the next General Election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation. This referendum should be a legislative priority."

Separately under the "state sovereignty," section Plank 20 called for "federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas shall be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified" adding: "Texas retains the right to secede from the United States." -- James Bickerton, Newsweek, 6/12/2024

Sheer lunacy. These planks were adopted at the Texas Republican Party convention held in San Antonio between May 23 and 25. Sheer lunacy. Even if the bill should escape the sane temperament of the State Affairs committee and appear on a referendum, which it failed to do the last time back in 2022, there is no provision in Texas or federal law to revoke the annexation. The Civil War and later a USSC decision in Texas v White formally bound the states together in a permanent union. Per the terms of annexation, Texas may or may not have retained the right to divide itself into as many as five states, but that ain't gonna happen either.

Sometimes I think the state GOP organization and the state GOP officeholders belong to two separate political parties.
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I WANT Texas to secede...tomorrow if possible.
 
Bodecea said:
It isn't if done peacefully. The US would be better off without TX anyways.
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I'm not talking about Texas seceding. Texas isn't going to secede. That's delusional.

I'm talking about a member of the legislature floating a referendum about secession. That's treason.
 
PoliSciPulse said:
I could be wrong … but wasn't there a whole kind of war fought over this concept?
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The war didn't start with secession...it started with SC firing on a federal installation.
 
YES TEXIT BABY
 
Slartibartfast said:
Honestly, if SCOTUS comes up with some ruling about Texas being a special case, I am not sure I would be upset about it.

A lot of those electoral votes would go to blue states.

It would be like removing a gangrenous toe to save the body.
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Then you condone treason. ANd your little idea is putting party over country you might as well be MAGA.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Because "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

This is none of that. Duh.
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Stealing a big chunk of the USA is making war against us. Duh.
 
Bodecea said:
The war didn't start with secession...it started with SC firing on a federal installation.
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Well, that was the action, but the (initial) core concept was the right to secede from the Union. After that comes states' rights, the most significant of which was slavery. I know Republicans say it was just about state's rights -- yeah, but the largest of which was slavery.
 
Texas is not going anywhere. This is a puerile stunt by people looking for media soundbites….
 
PoliSciPulse said:
Well, that was the action, but the (initial) core concept was the right to secede from the Union. After that comes states' rights, the most significant of which was slavery. I know Republicans say it was just about state's rights -- yeah, but the largest of which was slavery.
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Which state right was in danger other than the right to own slaves?
 
Loulit01 said:
Which state right was in danger other than the right to own slaves?
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To answer that question, we need to know with some reliability the reasons each of the 11 states seceded. As far as I know only four states--Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas--attached Declarations of Causes to their Article of Secession. And among those four states slavery varied in prominence and importance. The other seven? I don't know.

Perhaps the sovereign coequal states were not satisfied with what they received from the federal government. Perhaps as coequals they believed they had the right to nullify federal laws they believe encroached upon their sovereignty.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Good-bye.. But next time a hurricane rips thru down there, they're on their own.. Don't come asking us for money..
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I don't take the secession threat seriously, but...Texas would be a devastating loss for the United States. They are easily the nation's biggest energy producer, two of the top five financial centers (Houston & DFW), 4th largest ag producer in $, busiest seaport in the US in tonnage (Houston). We wouldn't be the same without Texas.
 
Linc said:
There are ‘little texas’ secessionist movements all over reich-land 🇺🇸
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It's all political masturbation that went on long before they became obsessed by Dear Leader...a group of Texans thinking it's somehow manly to get their metaphorical dicks out and wave them around on a regular basis with cries of "Secede!" to reassert their cherished mythology of being somehow more bigly special than the other 49 states.

No wonder they keep re-electing Cruz. He's the perfect representation of this mindset.
 
multivita-man said:
I don't take the secession threat seriously, but...Texas would be a devastating loss for the United States. They are easily the nation's biggest energy producer, two of the top five financial centers (Houston & DFW), 4th largest ag producer in $, busiest seaport in the US in tonnage (Houston). We wouldn't be the same without Texas.
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And, cotton is still King. The state produces 40% of the U.S. cotton crop.

In a 2024 poll on the question of secession, 67% opposed it. What is shocking is 25% approved! What are they thinking? View the poll at Texas Independence Voting Intention (1-3 February)
 
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