Texas GOP: We’re Gonna Try To Leave The Union Again!

[EMNofSeattle]

Franco absolutely was responsible for at least a hundred thousand deaths between the mass murders conducted during the war and his repression after the war.

Claiming that he operated under any “rule of law” was a bad joke.

ive gone over the numbers on this before, Franco is not personally responsible for “100,000 deaths” at most it is 35,000 and that’s if you hold that he is culpable for approving death sentences handed down by authorized courts.

Do you condemn the Republic for the actual repression they carried out?

 

[Tigerace117]

Well I don’t view people of the same ideology as Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and Castro as “innocent” people. They have stated loudly and clearly what they will do if allowed to gain power.

There’s contemporary accounts of Spanish leftists driving into rural villages and murdering priests and burning the elderly alive, so you think that when the nationalists won that there was some score settling? You bet!

And who’s fault was that?

You don’t consider anyone to the left of the Ustase as being human, which is why you cheerlead for thugs like Franco and Pinochet.

Meanwhile your hero Franco was Hitler’s little bitch....right up until 1945 when he fell on his knees begging the allies not to hurt him.

The Spanish church had several hundred years of brutal atrocities under their belt by the time the civil war came around, so by your own standard you have no room to wail about it.

 

[Tigerace117]

ive gone over the numbers on this before, Franco is not personally responsible for “100,000 deaths” at most it is 35,000 and that’s if you hold that he is culpable for approving death sentences handed down by authorized courts.

Do you condemn the Republic for the actual repression they carried out?

You’ve desperately tried to deny the facts before, but the evidence shows otherwise.

If anything the Spanish Republicans were far too lenient on Franco and his gang of goose stepping wannabes.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Both sides were at fault

There were very fine people on both sides?

No both sides were not. The Republic started it, first by assuming power in what amounted to a coup with no national elections and deposing the rightful king, then depriving Spaniards of their civil liberties to worship, then by starting an insurrection in Austurias after losing the 1934 election, then by rigging the 1936 election to produce a communist super majority, then by empowering left wing political parties to commit violence without fear of prosecution, and finally by assasinating a member of parliament who was a monarchist in a police car while in custody.

There is no blame on the right wing here.

And nearly all the repression after the war was a good faith effort for justice.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You don’t consider anyone to the left of the Ustase as being human, which is why you cheerlead for thugs like Franco and Pinochet.

Meanwhile your hero Franco was Hitler’s little bitch....right up until 1945 when he fell on his knees begging the allies not to hurt him.

The Spanish church had several hundred years of brutal atrocities under their belt by the time the civil war came around, so by your own standard you have no room to wail about it.

Blah blah blah blah

No argument here.

So you think it was justified for the left to attempt a violent revolution, and they lost and you’ve been really sad ever since. Cry more.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You’ve desperately tried to deny the facts before, but the evidence shows otherwise.

If anything the Spanish Republicans were far too lenient on Franco and his gang of goose stepping wannabes.

I’ve cited the sources before. You’ve never cited any.

Yeah the Republic was pretty smart to put Franco on the Canaries. They were just too stupid to realize there was a Christian upper-middle class In Britain willing to send a plane for him.

God Save the King!

 

[Tigerace117]

Blah blah blah blah

No argument here.

So you think it was justified for the left to attempt a violent revolution, and they lost and you’ve been really sad ever since. Cry more.

You certainly don’t have an argument. All you have is impotent screeching about how upset you are that you favorite tyrannies keep getting their ass kicked.

The war was started by Hitler’s sockpupet Franco, and now he’s burning in hell with your other hero Pinochet.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You certainly don’t have an argument. All you have is impotent screeching about how upset you are that you favorite tyrannies keep getting their ass kicked.

The war was started by Hitler’s sockpupet Franco, and now he’s burning in hell with your other hero Pinochet.

Franco died warm in his bed an American Ally having won his civil war and never been seriously challenged for power. Cry cry cry

 

[Tigerace117]

I’ve cited the sources before. You’ve never cited any.

Yeah the Republic was pretty smart to put Franco on the Canaries. They were just too stupid to realize there was a Christian upper-middle class In Britain willing to send a plane for him.

God Save the King!

You’ve “cited” blatant garbage .

The Republic clearly didn’t expect Franco to spread his legs for Hitler the way he did, but expecting fascist thugs not to sell out their country is always a bad idea.

Lol yeah, the way the Spanish monarchy pissed all over Franco’s grave and wrecked his dictatorship was pretty funny

 

[Tigerace117]

Franco died warm in his bed an American Ally having won his civil war and never been seriously challenged for power. Cry cry cry

And now he’s burning in hell with the rest of the thugs who thought screaming about God was sufficient excuse to murder innocent people. And there’s nothing you can do about it

 

[brianpatrick]

There were very fine people on both sides?

No both sides were not. The Republic started it, first by assuming power in what amounted to a coup with no national elections and deposing the rightful king, then depriving Spaniards of their civil liberties to worship, then by starting an insurrection in Austurias after losing the 1934 election, then by rigging the 1936 election to produce a communist super majority, then by empowering left wing political parties to commit violence without fear of prosecution, and finally by assasinating a member of parliament who was a monarchist in a police car while in custody.

There is no blame on the right wing here.

And nearly all the repression after the war was a good faith effort for justice.

Yeah, I’m sure you’re right. No sense talking about that.

 

[Peter]

Not now.

In the 1930 or 70s that was not remotely as certain.

Even then Communism had no chance in the US or Europe.
You just had US political parties who whipped up fear for political gain.
For Communism to win in the US it would first have to win in a popular election and given that they struggle to get even 0.1% of the vote in I'm at a loss as to how that's even slightly possible.
Some of the joke US candidates (do you even have those? We do in the UK like Mr Binface who's just a guy with a bin on his head and he does get a few votes) would have more chance of forming a party than a pure Communist party.

The fear is all political and completely unjustified and why it isn't shared in places like the UK who are in even more danger of being obliterated by communism.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

GO ALREADY! PLEASE - JUST GO!!

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Is that a wise move on their part?

They cant even keep their power plants running without help from Big Gummint....LOL.

A very WISE move, if you ask me, now guess which party is going to win not only the popular vote but the EC.
GO TEXAS GO!

 

[roguenuke]

Texas was it's own country for nearly a decade. If Texas became it's own republic again it would be one of the largest economies in the world. I'd be for it honestly.

Texas would not be able to make it on its own, regardless of what it thinks. It would lose all the military bases there (that is part of its economy). It would lose multiple companies/businesses that want to remain on US soil. They would have to set up their own monetary system, military, infrastructure (theirs was already proven to be shitty this past winter), passports, etc, all of which require systems that they don't seem to understand. They also would have at least one, like two hostile countries on its borders, giving them no peace.

No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth

The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede.

www.texastribune.org

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/article250418051.html

This is a fantasy.

 

[roguenuke]

Why wouldn't a company come to a more business friendly country that would be able to trade and interact still with the US? You act like no other countries do business with the world and succeed.

It wouldn't be able to be more business friendly without the support of the larger US. It would have to increase its own taxes, have to work on the actual infrastructure and education systems that are failing there. Most people are not going to want to leave the US, become Texas citizens rather than US citizens.

 

[beefheart]

See ya! Won't miss ya.

 

[roguenuke]

Unless your assuming all the debt too, they would get a portion of the military as well.

No they wouldn't. Texas has no right to have a "portion of the military" if they secede. We already covered this about a century and a half ago. The military takes an oath the US Constitution, not to Texas or any other state.

 

[roguenuke]

Thats a different conversation. I dont understand why progressives dont support texas leaving the union.

Because American citizens who don't want to leave and also own property there have a right to stay.

 

[trouble13]

No they wouldn't. Texas has no right to have a "portion of the military" if they secede. We already covered this about a century and a half ago. The military takes an oath the US Constitution, not to Texas or any other state.

Keep the debt the feds ran up also