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Terminally ill Lockerbie bomber released

A true debate, a false debate, any kind of debate and you'd still be falsely accusing me of not saying something that I clearly said, and just quoted and put it right in your face.
I would make the conclusion that you are deliberately trying to dodge the acceptance that your fleet was just destroyed and that you'll have to return to planet Agna with no achievements at all.
#1 can't be a failure by definition, and even if we are to go blunt and assume that it is a failure it is because #2 had rudely taken #1's role without even asking for a permission.
So am I. Based on the length of your responses (despite their lack of content)I was concerned that there might be some misimpression that you were informed about the case.
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Well fortunately your concerns were in vain.
My apparent confusion is in Mexico on a vacation and is obviously not here to breed any kind of fallacy.
Perhaps your apparent confusion needs to take a vacation as well, as it started confusing your apparent logic.
Constitutions are for weaklings anyway, a democracy can work well with unwritten values and key-laws.
Which one? Considering the many irrationalities of the legal system itself, your claims seem to be contradictory. :rofl
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Yeah, that damned legal system, let's just throw it away and use whatever else we have in store.
Oh right, that would be.. nothing.
 
A terrible decision.

But one that is out of our hands.

The Scots had their reasons for his release, I regretfully and strongly disagree.

Though I do want to add McCaskill looked good on CNN offering his reasons for what I think is a perverted decision.
 
The Etic Reality on whether he committed the crime or not is not relevant to this thread.

Whether or not the Criminal Justice System prosecuted the case properly is not relevant to this thread.

Whether or not a "majority" of the families of the victims believe in his guilt or innocence and whether or not a "majority" think he should die with his relatives are not relevant to this thread.

What is relevant is whether it is appropriate to free someone dully convicted of a crime at this level of magnitude and the reasoning behind it.
 
Shadow Serious said:
What is relevant is whether it is appropriate to free someone dully convicted of a crime at this level of magnitude and the reasoning behind it.
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I believe the reasoning behind it was that the Scottish and Westminster governments thought that Mehrahi's appeal would exonerate him post-humanously.

There would then be outrage that an innocent man had died in jail as well as fresh demands for a wide ranging investigation into the Lockerbie bombing, that would be politically inconvenient to say the least. By forcing Megrahi to drop his appeal this has been avoided. I do not believe this is necessarily the "correct" thing to do, I even called it a sham earlier, however I am happy that a man who I do not believe was ever proven to be involved in this crime will not die in jail.

I am frustrated that those baying for blood have been unprepared to look at the case in the smallest bit of depth, and have instead generally resorted to insults and emotional blackmail.
 
It disgust me that people were cheering him home
 
Kali said:
It disgust me that people were cheering him home
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That is exactly what I was about to say.

The sight of hundreds cheering him and receiving him as a hero is truly disgusting to say the very least :2mad:
 
Lockerbie bomber released

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjEl3Hs9gQ"]YouTube - Lockerbie bomber released. Shame on MacAskill says widowed Stephanie Bernstein.[/ame]

Stephanie Bernstein whose husband Michael was killed in the Pan Am 103 fight bombed out of the sky and onto Lockerbie, Scotland, speaks to BBC News.

Stephanie Bernstein said:
Kenny MacAskill should be ashamed. I think this is a sad day for the people of Scotland, for the people of the United Kingdom and for the people of the United States if a mass-murderer is allowed to go free.
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BBC: Lockerbie bomber returns to Libya.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsIliuALUmg"]YouTube - FBI slams MacAskill as Gaddafi embraces bomber, thanking Queen's ministers.[/ame]


BBC: FBI boss attacks Megrahi release

 
Re: Lockerbie bomber released

Releasing this asshat made me ashamed of my Scottish heritage.

I want to apologize to everyone for what my cousins have done.
 
Oil deals for Lockerbie bomber compassionate release.

How the UK employed Prince Andrew, the Duke of York to set up Libyan oil deals for compassionate release of the Lockerbie bomber Megrahi.





Prince Andrew, the Duke of York is the second son and third child of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. As well as carrying out various royal duties, he currently serves as the United Kingdom's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment reporting to Peter Mandelson who is the UK's current First Secretary of State, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, President of the Board of Trade and Lord President of the Council. In that capacity he has visited Libya and met with Gaddafi several times to set up oil deals.

In 2007, Prince Andrew was appointed by his mother, the Queen, as the [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_High_Commissioner_to_the_General_Assembly_of_the_Church_of_Scotland]Lord High Commissioner of the Church of Scotland[/ame] in 2007, a post previously held by David Steel, the first Presiding Officer of the re-convened Scottish Parliament and a post now held by George Reid, the 2nd former Presiding Officer of the new Scottish Parliament.

By use of such patronage, the UK royal family is able to form close links with influential persons in Scottish politics and with the Scottish churches.

Therefore Prince Andrew has all the connections anyone would ever need to set up a Libyan oil deals for Scottish justice "compassionate release" for the Lockerbie bomber.

Indeed, Colonel Gaddafi has publicly thanked Prince Andrew for arranging the release of Megrahi.

So Peter Mandelson may claim to know nothing of any such deal but he certainly appointed the right person, Prince Andrew, to set such a deal up and it looks like that is exactly what has happened.

Therefore whereas it may well be the case that Kenny MacAskill has not personally profited from Libyan oil deal money, it is entirely possible that some back channel deal involving third party donations to one or more of the Church of Scotland's worthy causes has bought pro-compassionate-release spiritual advice from the Church of Scotland clerics to Kenny MacAskill and it may be it is those who interpret MacAskill's Christian faith for him who were the ones who have convinced him that compassionate release was the thing to do in Megrahi's case.

Certainly, the church is always short of money and certainly that is how Arab monarchs and dictators often operate in their own countries - by funding Islamic programmes and sometimes even getting the Islamic clerics to put out pro-jehadi messages when they wish to incite terrorist wars by proxy fought by the likes of Al Qaeda but in a plausibly deniable way which is not easily identified directly as being ordered by the monarch or dictator concerned.

So supporting terrorism in this modest way has begun in European Christian churches as bought by Arab or African oil money. What is next?

Are we going to see Libyan or other oil money funding Christian crusader suicide bombers, bought and paid for by oil deal money?

It happened in the Arab world and it could happen here. The release of this terrorist is just the start unless we get wise to what this oil money in the wrong hands is buying - a terrorist war against our values of freedom and democracy and in favour of monarchy and dictatorship.
 
FBI Outrage as Lockerbie bomber sold by Kingdom for Libyan oil.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd2vLkNqjso"]YouTube - FBI Outrage as Lockerbie bomber sold by Kingdom for Libyan oil.[/ame]

CBS News reports on Gaddafi embracing the return of the Lockerbie bomber to Libya and the FBI Director's outrage expressed in a letter to the Scottish Justice Minister of the Queen's government of Scotland.

Statements from Gaddafi's son provide more evidence that the release has been demanded as the price of doing oil deal business with Gaddafi.

Additional comment after the CBS News report by Peter Dow.

 
I'm simply not going to be able to read this thread or any more about this story. I'm sick. literally, that they have released this ****ing scumbag mass murdering terrorist ****. JDAM therapy for what ails this monstrous non-human.
 
Lerxst said:
I'm simply not going to be able to read this thread or any more about this story. I'm sick. literally, that they have released this ****ing scumbag mass murdering terrorist ****. JDAM therapy for what ails this monstrous non-human.
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should have read it, there is a hell of alot of posts doubting his guilt, even by surviving family members. Apparently it is not so cut and dry
 
On the bright side, he'll be burning in Hell soon.
 
DeeJayH said:
should have read it, there is a hell of alot of posts doubting his guilt, even by surviving family members. Apparently it is not so cut and dry
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And about his release, it seemed that if they were to go by the law at the moment, there might have been no choice in releasing him. From what I understood of a BBC interview where they were discussing about how there was no political upside to the release, someone mentioned that there was a law in place (came into force in 04 or 05 I think, I can't remember) for releasing prisoners with terminal disease who had less than three months left to live. What I did not get from that interview is that if this provided the option to release the person on compassionate grounds or if someone who fulfilled these conditions would have to be released. I'll try and dig up on this.
 

By "we", I did actually mean Scotland. And I see no reason for us to try and justify our actions by looking to the actions of a murderer(which I'm personally not convinced Megrahi actully is). He showed them no mercy, so we should so him no mercy? How exactly do two wrongs make a right?
 
Yeah, I guess it's weird for you.
Many nations outside of Scotland believe that criminals need to be punished, though.
But what do those nations know?
Onwards Scottish justice, show mercy for the mass-murdering terrorist.
 
Okay lets get some things straight.

As a principle, yes life means life according to the local justice system. In the US it is life, where as elsewhere it is 20ish years.. that is how the laws are, and no amount of bitching can change that. But also as a principle there are methods in all justice systems to get early release based on certain criteria and like it or not this man met those criteria in Scotland. There is NO law anywhere that forbids the releasing of convicted terrorists or even child predators, not even in the US.

But back to this case. The man was convicted based on evidence that since hence, aka after the fact, has been at best been highly questionable and at worst directly wrong or fabricated. There was evidence withheld from the defence team and worse.

We have after the fact learned that the key witness for the prosecution received millions from the US government as payment for his testimony and was living in Australia. We have also after the fact found out that a few hours (17) before the bombing there was a break in at the very luggage handling centre where the supposed bags with bombs was loaded onto the Pam Am jet from supposedly Malta. This information was never given to the defence and was directly held back by the Brits as it would plug huge holes in their whole case. The trace evidence from the bomb itself was also huge problem. At the trial it was pushed as if a certain type of timer by a Swiss company had been used. After the fact it turned out to be false and we now know today that the owner of the Swiss company was offered millions by the FBI to provide false testimony and the testimony used at the trial was one big lie. There are other issues with evidence and time lines and what not that in total makes the result of the trial be put in huge doubt.

2 years ago an independent tribunal recommended the cast to the court of appeals for a suspected miscarriage of justice. Thanks to legal delays this case was delayed and delayed and delayed.. I guess the fact that the man in question was already dying of cancer played into the case, since if it had gone forward, the issues with the case, and the involvement of the UK and US governments would have been put on record and talk about an embarrassment.

Now we wont have an appeal but the evidence will be released and of course the usual right wing talking heads in the US and UK will try to discredit all the evidence, cloud the issue and keep shouting "he was convicted in a court of law" bs. It seems to me that the idea of being wrongly convicted of a crime you have not committed is an alien concept for certain people, who see the world in black and more black when it comes to certain things.

I want to know the truth about the bombing, do you not?
 
Rather than make a new thread, may as well post on this one ...

New row over cancer diagnosis of Lockerbie bomber


New row over 'non-expert' cancer diagnosis of Lockerbie bomber al-Megrahi - Times Online
Holy ****.
He probably isn't going to die anytime soon seeing Scotland didn't even get a expert with medical experience to check :shock:
 
NO MERCY for Lockerbie bomber say Scots in BBC poll.

Prostate cancer is one of the slowest growing cancers. Many people get it and live for years and end up dying of other causes.

One of the most aggressive cancers is brain cancer. Senator Kennedy would have counted his blessings if he had got prostate cancer instead.

I wouldn't be surprised if Megrahi supporters bribed a doctor to say "Dead in three months."

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9qX8vV7sAE"]YouTube - NO MERCY for Lockerbie bomber say Scots in BBC poll & Peter Dow comments.[/ame]

Brian Taylor reports for the BBC on the results of a poll of Scots regarding the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

The original BBC report has been edited before upload to include additional commentary and political analysis by Peter Dow, the author of the Scottish National Standard Bearer website and administrator of the For Freedom Forums.



Transcript of Peter Dow's additional commentary.
 
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I would not have released him but still, three months to live or three years he will meet that moment we all do, the white light and question, what did you do with your life?
 

Thank you.

From the link;


The GP is likely to have worked with Megrahi for some time and also one should note that when a cancer is metastatic, you no longer need a specialist in prostate cancer because it has already spread beyond the prostate.

Moreover the three month estimate is a consensus decision.

Thus this article and the storm over the three month period is sound and fury signifying little.
 
Source: [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8226585.stm[/url]BBC News[/url]

Scotland's reputation has indeed suffered and the polling data suggests that domestic political repercussions are looming.
 
That's one third too much.
 

Well... we all die at some point.
If cancer doesn't get us, then it's some other illness or injury.
Dying is not exactly a special or unexpected circumstance, I wouldn't think.
I would think that if one is sentenced to life imprisonment, it is to be assumed that one will die in prison. Death is the natural and inevitable final phase of "life", now isn't it?

So I guess this ruling leaves me a little confused as well.
 
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