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Tennessee grocery store attack: ‘He kept on shooting’

ClaraD said:
Nut job drivers eventually lose their license for their bad driving habits....I am very concerned about the amount of mass shootings that are going on in this country....something that we don't have a license for.
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Sorry, but that's the exact opposite of what you said before. Here' permit me to remind you:

"we need to start vetting gun owners the way we vet who we give a driver's license to"

Which is it? Are we vetting them before they get a license, as your earlier post suggests, or are we waiting for bad driving habits to result in the loss of driving privileges, as your later post suggests?
 
justabubba said:
you post that as if reducing gun crime is not a reduction in crime itself

what law school did you go to again?
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actually, gun banners often want to increase crimes as they criminalize harmless behavior. such as banning the possession of 30 round or 20 round or 15 round magazines, knowing that millions of gun owners won't turn them in-either intentionally or unintentionally,.
 
snakestretcher said:
Are cars designed for the sole purpose of killing things?
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what is more dangerous-an item that is not designed as a weapon but kills more people than

an object that has-as one of its main purposes-being a weapon?
 
The shooter, Uk Thang, was the son of Christian refugees from Myanmar. They do not speak English.

All reports are that he kept to himself, a loner, Kroger employees and neighbors said. Well, except the apparent argument with an employee that got him fired. He seemingly spoke up then. A friend from Utah back when he was a teenager said back then Uk was always at church.

Another one of those lonely guys wrapped up in his own unhappy world? His rejection at work sent him into a real avalanche of hopeless helpless fury.

Be kind to each other, people. Be kind to those who are different, those who are struggling to fit in. It may save lives.
 
Big Steve said:
Sorry, but that's the exact opposite of what you said before. Here' permit me to remind you:

"we need to start vetting gun owners the way we vet who we give a driver's license to"

Which is it? Are we vetting them before they get a license, as your earlier post suggests, or are we waiting for bad driving habits to result in the loss of driving privileges, as your later post suggests?
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we do vet people before they get a driver's license...in fact, people with mental disorders can be disqualified from driving...also, seizure disorders etc...and you have to pass a test to get a license.
 
ClaraD said:
we do vet people before they get a driver's license...in fact, people with mental disorders can be disqualified from driving...also, seizure disorders etc...and you have to pass a test to get a license.
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yes and 16 year olds and felons can get a license as well
 
ClaraD said:
we do vet people before they get a driver's license...in fact, people with mental disorders can be disqualified from driving...also, seizure disorders etc...and you have to pass a test to get a license.
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And those are all dependent on the applicant being honest. It's not like the DMV does medical checks to determine if someone is an epileptic or mentally unstable. Also, passing the driver's test is remarkably simple. I don't know of anyone who would truly consider that "vetting"...
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Just another NUT with a GUN.
Does this really qualify as "news" in the Gun Nut Nayshun?
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The key part here is that they were clearly having mental issues. The details of why and why it was possible for them to reach this point are something I'd be curious about.

Guns just make it easier to quickly kill people when someone breaks like this.
 
The Mark said:
The key part here is that they were clearly having mental issues. The details of why and why it was possible for them to reach this point are something I'd be curious about.

Guns just make it easier to quickly kill people when someone breaks like this.
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guns make it much easier for potential victims to defend themselves. Gun control laws are far more likely to disarm potential victims than those who premeditate mass murder
 
TurtleDude said:
guns make it much easier for potential victims to defend themselves. Gun control laws are far more likely to disarm potential victims than those who premeditate mass murder
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lol...yeah, we saw all those armed Tennesseans step up to the plate last week...smh.

You really have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
 
TurtleDude said:
guns make it much easier for potential victims to defend themselves. Gun control laws are far more likely to disarm potential victims than those who premeditate mass murder
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That may be, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong about them also making it easier for nutjobs to kill.
 
The Mark said:
That may be, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong about them also making it easier for nutjobs to kill.
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I don't deny that, but the issue becomes what is the best way to try to prevent that sort of thing from happening. The main way laws deter bad behavior is the threat-and then the application of incarceration. People who are not deterred by the possibility of a life sentence (or being killed or dying) are not particularly impacted by a law banning them from having a gun. With open borders and 400 million guns in the USA and a billion on the world market-including tons of recently declared obsolete soviet block weapons, you are not going to prevent someone from getting a gun anymore than laws banning crack or heroin stops addicts from getting that stuff. However, the people who would never ever contemplate murdering others are often disarmed by gun laws,
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't deny that, but the issue becomes what is the best way to try to prevent that sort of thing from happening. The main way laws deter bad behavior is the threat-and then the application of incarceration. People who are not deterred by the possibility of a life sentence (or being killed or dying) are not particularly impacted by a law banning them from having a gun. With open borders and 400 million guns in the USA and a billion on the world market-including tons of recently declared obsolete soviet block weapons, you are not going to prevent someone from getting a gun anymore than laws banning crack or heroin stops addicts from getting that stuff. However, the people who would never ever contemplate murdering others are often disarmed by gun laws,
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How, specifically, are "the people who would never ever contemplate murdering others, often disarmed by gun laws"?
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't deny that, but the issue becomes what is the best way to try to prevent that sort of thing from happening. The main way laws deter bad behavior is the threat-and then the application of incarceration. People who are not deterred by the possibility of a life sentence (or being killed or dying) are not particularly impacted by a law banning them from having a gun. With open borders and 400 million guns in the USA and a billion on the world market-including tons of recently declared obsolete soviet block weapons, you are not going to prevent someone from getting a gun anymore than laws banning crack or heroin stops addicts from getting that stuff. However, the people who would never ever contemplate murdering others are often disarmed by gun laws,
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Nonsensical rant ^

Gun laws are effective because they allow cops to arrest people who violate them instead of them being forced to stand idly by while some asshole strapped with anything from a 9mm to an AR15 walks into a grocery store.

Of course, smart people know this.
 
poppopfox said:
And those mental evaluations should include a maturity test. Who wants people walking around with weapons who refer to other humans as "arrogant, stupid, pathetic, losers?" That's hate speech and the language itself indicates a sociopathy and/or a lack of maturity, imho.
Too many citizens are carrying hate around inside their worlds, why allow them to carry weapons?
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I am always glad to see those who regard mass shooters as "fine, upstanding, responsible, citizens who need our loving compassion in order to overcome the traumas that a harsh and overbearing society has inflicted upon them" (or the like) come out of the woodwork.

If you can think of a better term than "arrogant" to describe someone who believes that they have the right to kill people that they don't even know simply because they "have issues" over a trivial matter - what is it?

If you can think of a better term than "stupid" to describe someone who believes that their killing people that they don't even know will "resolve their issues" - what is it?

If you can think of a better term than "pathetic" to describe someone who has so little self-respect that they have to kill other people in order to "feel like a man" - what is it?

If you can think of a better term than "loser" to describe someone who can't even plan a crime so that they have at least a 10% chance of getting away with it (and who then kills themselves when the plan fails) - what is it?
 
calamity said:
Nonsensical rant ^

Gun laws are effective because they allow cops to arrest people who violate them instead of them being forced to stand idly by while some asshole strapped with anything from a 9mm to an AR15 walks into a grocery store.

Of course, smart people know this.
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Actually the "average criminal" is NOT deterred by the possibility of arrest and/or incarceration because the "average criminal" tends to believe that [1] they will never get caught, [2] if caught they will [2a]never be convicted, or [2b] be able to negotiate a plea bargain.
 
TurtleDude said:
actually, gun banners often want to increase crimes as they criminalize harmless behavior. such as banning the possession of 30 round or 20 round or 15 round magazines, knowing that millions of gun owners won't turn them in-either intentionally or unintentionally,.
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Do you know what the technical term for a deer hunter with an AR-15 and a 30 round magazine is?

>>Really crappy shot<<​
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Thank you.

Have you ever been under fire?

Do you know how the average UNTRAINED person reacts when under fire?
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Nope, haven't and don't know, and I'm a lot more interested in the shooter's head than a dive into various details about guns.
 
TurtleDude said:
what is more dangerous-an item that is not designed as a weapon but kills more people than

an object that has-as one of its main purposes-being a weapon?
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Neither. Both are inanimate objects.

The danger derives from the operators.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Do you know what the technical term for a deer hunter with an AR-15 and a 30 round magazine is?

>>Really crappy shot<<​
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Also 'criminal.' At least in this state.
 
MaryP said:
Nope, haven't and don't know, and I'm a lot more interested in the shooter's head than a dive into various details about guns.
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What was in "the shooter's head" was that he had a right to kill people whom he didn't know just because he had been fired.

What more do you have to know?
 
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