Tennessee grocery store attack: ‘He kept on shooting’

[TurtleDude]

Ohhhh, now the point you were trying to make by mentioning "open borders" is that laws only affect the law-abiding. My "DUH."

Is this an attempt to save face after being so wrong in prior posts?

 

[Antiwar]

Is this an attempt to save face after being so wrong in prior posts?

Ohhhh, now you mentioned "open borders" because "I'm trying to save face for being wrong in prior posts."

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

no, its a valid point from someone who actually understands trafficking contraband and knows how it is almost impossible to stop weapons, drugs, illegals, etc from coming into our nation

It is actually "quite easy" to "stop weapons, drugs, illegals, etc [sic] from coming into our nation".

All that has to be done is for Americans to stop buying those weapons or drugs and to stop hiring those "illegals".

Just as you don't fault the gun store owner because they sold a gun that was used in a mass shooting, you cannot fault the sellers of those weapons or drugs (or the senders of those "illegals") to an area where they are the "willing seller" and Americans are the "willing buyers".

 

[TurtleDude]

It is actually "quite easy" to "stop weapons, drugs, illegals, etc [sic] from coming into our nation".

All that has to be done is for Americans to stop buying those weapons or drugs and to stop hiring those "illegals".

Just as you don't fault the gun store owner because they sold a gun that was used in a mass shooting, you cannot fault the sellers of those weapons or drugs (or the senders of those "illegals") to an area where they are the "willing seller" and Americans are the "willing buyers".

ok but that really has no relevance to what I was saying.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yeah, it's not like the US is the #1 manufacturer and exporter of weapons, it's that guns are being trafficked in across the "open borders."

Those weapons that are manufactured and exported by American companies who pay American wages to American workers are completely legal (and are frequently paid for with money received from the American government which uses American taxpayers' dollars to provide grants and forgivable loans to the off shore purchasers to enable the off shore purchasers to pay for the legally manufactured and sold American weapons.

This has to be done that way because for the American government to take American taxpayers' money and give it directly to the American companies would be what is known as "subsidizing" those American companies and that is contrary to law.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

that has nothing to do with my point that if GUNS ARE BANNED as some want, in the USA, criminals will easily be able to bring thousands in weekly.

They already are.

PS - FYI, I consider that any attempt to BAN guns in the US would be about as successful as the 18th Amendment was in curbing alcohol consumption in the US. (Which makes such an attempt, in my way of thinking, a really stupid move.)

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

ok but that really has no relevance to what I was saying.

Actually what would happen if guns were banned in the US would be a wholesale transfer of millions of Americans from the "law abiding" group to the "law breaking" group.

 

[TurtleDude]

Actually what would happen if guns were banned in the US would be a wholesale transfer of millions of Americans from the "law abiding" group to the "law breaking" group.

I would agree with that..

 

[Big Steve]

Doesn't it give you a real warm and fuzzy feeling to know that you live in a society where a significant proportion of the population thinks that they NEED to be armed at all times?

It give you a real warm and fuzzy feeling to know that I live in a society where a significant proportion of the population is ready, willing and able to visit violence upon those who would target us.

See, unlike you, apparently, I live in the real world. I live in a world where people shoot up grocery stores and schools. I live in a world where militant rioters pull drivers out of their vehicles and beat them for no other reason than they've got a different skin color. I live in a world where thugs attack police officers because they know the police won't likely respond.

But, thankfully, I also live in a world where those who are ready and willing to defend themselves and others will not hesitate to do it.

Wouldn't you absolutely hate to live in a society where a significant proportion (like, almost all) of the population thinks that anyone who thinks that they NEED to be armed at all times is more than slightly off their rocker (and has the crime statistics to prove it)?

I'd like to live in a society in which those who have an unwavering fear of guns and things that make loud noises don't immediately characterize those who do own guns, and who do arm themselves, as "slightly off their rocker".

Both a loved one and I are alive today because one day, many years ago, I decided that I would arm myself every single day. I'm a member of a relatively small club. It's made up of people who've used their legally owned and legally carried firearms to defend themself. If you think that makes me "slightly off my rocker", well, then I really have no use for you, because it's impossible for your opinion to be any more meaningless...

 

[poppopfox]

I am always glad to see those who regard mass shooters as "fine, upstanding, responsible, citizens who need our loving compassion in order to overcome the traumas that a harsh and overbearing society has inflicted upon them" (or the like) come out of the woodwork.

And who would that be?

If you can think of a better term than "arrogant" to describe someone who believes that they have the right to kill people that they don't even know simply because they "have issues" over a trivial matter - what is it?

I think arrogant is a label that can be attached to anyone.

If you can think of a better term than "stupid" to describe someone who believes that their killing people that they don't even know will "resolve their issues" - what is it?

I think stupid is a label that can be attached to anyone.

If you can think of a better term than "pathetic" to describe someone who has so little self-respect that they have to kill other people in order to "feel like a man" - what is it?

I think pathetic is a label that can be attached to anyone.

If you can think of a better term than "loser" to describe someone who can't even plan a crime so that they have at least a 10% chance of getting away with it (and who then kills themselves when the plan fails) - what is it?

I think loser is a label that can be attached to anyone.

Bottom line, it's still denigratory, but hey, it's your karma!

Personally, I like Buddha's take on the subject, and I'm pretty sure that both Jesus, Muhammad, and a host of other spiritual wise men would agree.

"As recorded in the Pali Canon, the historical Buddha taught that Right Speech had four parts:

Abstain from false speech; do not tell lies or deceive.
Do not slander others or speak in a way that causes disharmony or enmity.
Abstain from rude, impolite, or abusive language.
Do not indulge in idle talk or gossip."

"Practice of these four aspects of Right Speech goes beyond simple "thou shalt nots." It means speaking truthfully and honestly; speaking in a way to promote harmony and good will; using language to reduce anger and ease tensions; using language in a way that is useful."

"If your speech is not useful and beneficial, teachers say, it is better to keep silent."

 

[Antiwar]

It give you a real warm and fuzzy feeling to know that I live in a society where a significant proportion of the population is ready, willing and able to visit violence upon those who would target us.

See, unlike you, apparently, I live in the real world. I live in a world where people shoot up grocery stores and schools. I live in a world where militant rioters pull drivers out of their vehicles and beat them for no other reason than they've got a different skin color. I live in a world where thugs attack police officers because they know the police won't likely respond.

But, thankfully, I also live in a world where those who are ready and willing to defend themselves and others will not hesitate to do it.



I'd like to live in a society in which those who have an unwavering fear of guns and things that make loud noises don't immediately characterize those who do own guns, and who do arm themselves, as "slightly off their rocker".

Both a loved one and I are alive today because one day, many years ago, I decided that I would arm myself every single day. I'm a member of a relatively small club. It's made up of people who've used their legally owned and legally carried firearms to defend themself. If you think that makes me "slightly off my rocker", well, then I really have no use for you, because it's impossible for your opinion to be any more meaningless...

Ohhhh, Big Steve lives in the "real world" and everyone that disagrees with him must live in the fake world. Or maybe he's been on MTV's "Real World" reality TV show for decades.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

I have to wonder what has gone wrong with our society. When I was growing up in the 50s and 60s guns were just as prolific but there was never shooting sprees like this in businesses and schools.

Tons of mass shooting in the US
Meaning 4 or more shot/killed
Nothing changes, except they are increasing in numbers

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Question is, why?

 

[Antiwar]

And who would that be?

I think arrogant is a label that can be attached to anyone.

I think stupid is a label that can be attached to anyone.

I think pathetic is a label that can be attached to anyone.

I think loser is a label that can be attached to anyone.

Bottom line, it's still denigratory, but hey, it's your karma!

Personally, I like Buddha's take on the subject, and I'm pretty sure that both Jesus, Muhammad, and a host of other spiritual wise men would agree.

"As recorded in the Pali Canon, the historical Buddha taught that Right Speech had four parts:

Abstain from false speech; do not tell lies or deceive.
Do not slander others or speak in a way that causes disharmony or enmity.
Abstain from rude, impolite, or abusive language.
Do not indulge in idle talk or gossip."

"Practice of these four aspects of Right Speech goes beyond simple "thou shalt nots." It means speaking truthfully and honestly; speaking in a way to promote harmony and good will; using language to reduce anger and ease tensions; using language in a way that is useful."

"If your speech is not useful and beneficial, teachers say, it is better to keep silent."

Very good points.

 

[Big Steve]

Ohhhh, Big Steve lives in the "real world" and everyone that disagrees with him must live in the fake world. Or maybe he's been on MTV's "Real World" reality TV show for decades.

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Wow.

What a stupid comment.

Curmudgeon's ideas about society, while idyllic, are nothing but a fantasy. We simply don't have that society, nor will we ever. Why? Because there are bad people in the world who do bad things to good people for no other reason than they're bad people. My conversation with him is hardly representative of "everyone that disagrees" with me, so I'm nly left to wonder why you would make such an ignorant statement. I guess I can surmise from your user name that you're one of those people who have an unnatural fear of guns. You're likely one who believes that all we need to curb gun violence in this country is more gun control, right? More laws?

Are you that guy?

 

[Antiwar]

Wow.

What a stupid comment.

Curmudgeon's ideas about society, while idyllic, are nothing but a fantasy. We simply don't have that society, nor will we ever. Why? Because there are bad people in the world who do bad things to good people for no other reason than they're bad people. My conversation with him is hardly representative of "everyone that disagrees" with me, so I'm nly left to wonder why you would make such an ignorant statement. I guess I can surmise from your user name that you're one of those people who have an unnatural fear of guns. You're likely one who believes that all we need to curb gun violence in this country is more gun control, right? More laws?

Are you that guy?

You're the guy that said you're living in the real world. Did I draw the wrong conclusion from your statement?

 

[ClaraD]

I said for APPLICANTS.

There is no database someone could go to in order to determine if there's a reason someone should be denied a license.

If you're just going to make up nonsense and present it as fact, let me know and we can end this right now...



There was no such question asked when I got my New York driver's license in 1980, or my California license in 1990, or my Florida license in 2013...

That is a lie, I have a Florida driver's license and it definitely asked me if I had any health issues that would affect my ability to drive or if I had a seizure within the past 2 years.

 

[ClaraD]

Yeah, it's not like the US is the #1 manufacturer and exporter of weapons, it's that guns are being trafficked in across the "open borders."

I guess he forgot that....most guns are trafficked from the US to other countries...not the other way around....very few guns, if any are trafficked from Mexico or Canada into the US....or from any other country for that matter.

 

[Noodlegawd]

It's getting kind of dangerous to go grocery shopping these days.

Not as dangerous as driving to the grocery store.

 

[ClaraD]

Here in Florida, it's a pretty safe bet that more than a few folks in the grocery store with you are armed...

actually, most grocery stores in Florida forbid employees from bringing firearms on property.

 

[ClaraD]

ok but that really has no relevance to what I was saying.

open borders or illegal immigrants is not anything even vaguely in relation to the topic of a shooting in a grocery store in Tennessee.

 

[Big Steve]

You're the guy that said you're living in the real world. Did I draw the wrong conclusion from your statement?

Trying to deflect my question by asking another is stupid, and a rookie move, and you shouldn't do it.

If you'd like me to answer your question, you will answer mine. This is the manner in which adults have conversations and discussions.

Now, are you the guy who believes that all we need to curb gun violence in this country is more gun control and more laws?

 

[Big Steve]

That is a lie, I have a Florida driver's license and it definitely asked me if I had any health issues that would affect my ability to drive or if I had a seizure within the past 2 years.

What form was that on?

I wasn't asked that question. Perhaps, because I'm a man, they simply assumed that I already know how to safely operate a motor vehicle...

 

[ClaraD]

What form was that on?

I wasn't asked that question. Perhaps, because I'm a man, they simply assumed that I already know how to safely operate a motor vehicle...

that is bullshit....it is a general question. I had to take the road test again, because I was transferring from a foreign license to a Florida license. It didn't matter that I had a license for many years prior to that here in the US.

This sure doesn't say you aren't asked....and isn't asked to just women either....so either you didn't read your application for a driver's license or you ignored it or you evidently have some sort of dementia

Vision Standards

Language | Idioma English Español To acquire a driver’s license in the State of Florida, a customer must pass a vision test to determine if they meet the mandatory minimum vision standards. The minimum visual acuity standard is 20/70 in either eye or both eyes together with or without...

www.flhsmv.gov

 

[Big Steve]

that is bullshit....it is a general question. I had to take the road test again, because I was transferring from a foreign license to a Florida license. It didn't matter that I had a license for many years prior to that here in the US.

This sure doesn't say you aren't asked....and isn't asked to just women either....so either you didn't read your application for a driver's license or you ignored it or you evidently have some sort of dementia

Vision Standards

Language | Idioma English Español To acquire a driver’s license in the State of Florida, a customer must pass a vision test to determine if they meet the mandatory minimum vision standards. The minimum visual acuity standard is 20/70 in either eye or both eyes together with or without...

www.flhsmv.gov

What form was it on?

Your refusal to respond to that question strongly suggests that you're just making all of this up...