Stolen valor

[VanceMack]

That's the thing. There are two types of officers.

1. The officer that respects the NCOs right out of the gate
2. The ones that are hated from day 1

I was super lucky and still am, to have great officers. I will not be pursing OCS myself. I come from a family of officers and enjoy being the black sheep

I was literally raised by a bunch of old Navy Chiefs. That sort of necessitated that I be a lot of things, one of which was an asshole. I joined the Air Force with a Navy Chief mentality. That actually served me well (it didnt hurt that I joined at 6'1", 210 as a college football player and was a bit older than my peers). I didnt have much love for anyone O1-O3. If officers kept their mouths shut and learned, by the time they were O4s they were usually solid leaders of men that trusted their NCOs and held them to a high standard but also supported them. I worked with a lot of pilots. Believe it or not...pilots tend to have a rather high opinion of themselves and can ALSO be assholes. MOST of the pilots understood who kept their jets (and subsequently, their assess) in the air. They also understood the power of the red X. So MOST of them were cool with the crew chiefs and specialists, even if it was just out of necessity. Occasionally you would catch one reaming one of the enlisted kids. I used to insinuate myself between the berated airman and the officer and then without looking the officer in the eye explain "If I was an officer of the same rank or higher, I would call you an asshole right now because, well...thats how you are behaving. But I am not so I would never do that. But...I just want you to know that if I was...I would....because...welll...asshole. But just so we are clear I am NOT calling you an asshole...just making sure you understand that if I was an equal rank or higher I WOULD call you an asshole. Which I am obviously not doing." You could usually gauge by the red in their face how many 'assholes' you could get in there before you had to gear back. Sure...it would net a call in to the Chief and Maintenance OIC, but that was always a closed door session and I never walked away without a good stern warning. Of course...you follow it up with a case of beer to the pilot and a one-on-one with him and you would invite him to ride launch trucks on his off days to get a feel for us. It always worked...but there were a few times it was a little sketchy.

We used to tell our O1-O3...your job is to follow that NCO around and learn. If he tells you something your response is "O...I See". Learn that...you will be fine.

 

[11Bravo]

I was literally raised by a bunch of old Navy Chiefs. That sort of necessitated that I be a lot of things, one of which was an asshole. I joined the Air Force with a Navy Chief mentality. That actually served me well (it didnt hurt that I joined at 6'1", 210 as a college football player and was a bit older than my peers). I didnt have much love for anyone O1-O3. If officers kept their mouths shut and learned, by the time they were O4s they were usually solid leaders of men that trusted their NCOs and held them to a high standard but also supported them. I worked with a lot of pilots. Believe it or not...pilots tend to have a rather high opinion of themselves and can ALSO be assholes. MOST of the pilots understood who kept their jets (and subsequently, their assess) in the air. They also understood the power of the red X. So MOST of them were cool with the crew chiefs and specialists, even if it was just out of necessity. Occasionally you would catch one reaming one of the enlisted kids. I used to insinuate myself between the berated airman and the officer and then without looking the officer in the eye explain "If I was an officer of the same rank or higher, I would call you an asshole right now because, well...thats how you are behaving. But I am not so I would never do that. But...I just want you to know that if I was...I would....because...welll...asshole. But just so we are clear I am NOT calling you an asshole...just making sure you understand that if I was an equal rank or higher I WOULD call you an asshole. Which I am obviously not doing." You could usually gauge by the red in their face how many 'assholes' you could get in there before you had to gear back. Sure...it would net a call in to the Chief and Maintenance OIC, but that was always a closed door session and I never walked away without a good stern warning. Of course...you follow it up with a case of beer to the pilot and a one-on-one with him and you would invite him to ride launch trucks on his off days to get a feel for us. It always worked...but there were a few times it was a little sketchy.

We used to tell our O1-O3...your job is to follow that NCO around and learn. If he tells you something your response is "O...I See". Learn that...you will be fine.

Agreed. I will exclude from the list of O1-O3, previously enlisted soldiers. Our 3rd platoon leader was a badass E5 prior to commissioning. He knew that his NCOs were the crucial part of his job. He was one.

 

[VanceMack]

Agreed. I will exclude from the list of O1-O3, previously enlisted soldiers. Our 3rd platoon leader was a badass E5 prior to commissioning. He knew that his NCOs were the crucial part of his job. He was one.

I work with the Army now as a civilian (one of several jobs). I wouldnt get away with the 'asshole' trick in the Army. Partly because they wouldnt be able to catch the nuance between saying someone is acting like one vs being one.

I agree with the prior enlisted NCO to officer for the most part. We did have a few prior enlisted that became officers and...thought rather highly of themselves.

Come to think of it I think I got dinged for that on this site at least once.

 

[11Bravo]

I work with the Army now as a civilian (one of several jobs). I wouldnt get away with the 'asshole' trick in the Army. Partly because they wouldnt be able to catch the nuance between saying someone is acting like one vs being one.

I agree with the prior enlisted NCO to officer for the most part. We did have a few prior enlisted that became officers and...thought rather highly of themselves.

Come to think of it I think I got dinged for that on this site at least once.

Officers in general seem to just get in the way. Enlisted soldiers, IMO, have the actual job experience. The technical experience of most jobs (speaking mainly of combat). Our company commander wasn't even a MI officer when he commissioned...lol

 

[VanceMack]

Officers in general seem to just get in the way. Enlisted soldiers, IMO, have the actual job experience. The technical experience of most jobs (speaking mainly of combat). Our company commander wasn't even a MI officer when he commissioned...lol

The BEST maintenance officer I ever had was a geography major who didnt know **** about the A-10. He stayed out of the Maintenance Superintendents way and essentially drove around meeting with the boys and talking Atlanta Braves baseball. The second time we went into Turkey dood was a rockstar with the supplies, extra things for the hangars, tent locations, etc...he took good care of us.

 

[11Bravo]

The BEST maintenance officer I ever had was a geography major who didnt know **** about the A-10. He stayed out of the Maintenance Superintendents way and essentially drove around meeting with the boys and talking Atlanta Braves baseball. The second time we went into Turkey dood was a rockstar with the supplies, extra things for the hangars, tent locations, etc...he took good care of us.

That's nice when you have an officer like that. Ones that know to let the NCO's lead the show. My first platoon leader when I was in the infantry, was horrible. He was straight out of BOLC from ROTC, and smoked our platoon for an hour for some pvt losing his name tape while unpacking the cattle cars. I was like "wow really? you've been dreaming about this since you left college you punk". He didn't last long though. He tried to grab an XO position but the state gave it to someone else. He resigned his commission soon after

 

[VanceMack]

That's nice when you have an officer like that. Ones that know to let the NCO's lead the show. My first platoon leader when I was in the infantry, was horrible. He was straight out of BOLC from ROTC, and smoked our platoon for an hour for some pvt losing his name tape while unpacking the cattle cars. I was like "wow really? you've been dreaming about this since you left college you punk". He didn't last long though. He tried to grab an XO position but the state gave it to someone else. He resigned his commission soon after

Ive watched the 'smoking' ritual. I can honestly say I wouldnt have lasted in the Army 20 years. I get hazing for cause...like earning your wings. But just because? Nah....for me that wouldnt fly.

 

[11Bravo]

Ive watched the 'smoking' ritual. I can honestly say I wouldnt have lasted in the Army 20 years. I get hazing for cause...like earning your wings. But just because? Nah....for me that wouldnt fly.

I don't mind personal smoke sessions. Like, if I totally messed up; I would expect to get smoked. But smoking a whole platoon for something that small, for an hour, just to show your power, is absurd. That's only for basic training. Although, I don't mind it on deployments. Keeps us in shape lol

 

[Excon]

1. You never served
2. Troll on

To #2, you are again projecting, which is accentuated by your lie in #1.

 

[11Bravo]

To #2, you are again projecting, which is accentuated by your lie in #1.

Yes, we get it. You served your online friends well on Call of Duty Black Ops. You come to a military thread to whine about people.

We call this type, Blue Falcon. I know, I know, it probably goes over your head. Just ask someone in your game lobby. I'm sure one of them actually signed the dotted line

 

[Excon]

Yes, we get it.

You obviously get nothing.

You served your online friends well on Call of Duty Black Ops.

There you go telling lies again.
You really can't help yourself can you?

You come to a military thread to whine about people.

Wrong.
I came into a thread which was whining and berating individuals who aren't dealing with a full deck.

Seems to me that that is exactly the kind of person who would lie about others as well.

 

[11Bravo]

You obviously get nothing.


There you go telling lies again.
You really can't help yourself can you?


Wrong.
I came into a thread which was whining and berating individuals who aren't dealing with a full deck.

Seems to me that that is exactly the kind of person who would lie about others as well.

You came to a thread pretending to know anything about the military. How ironic that someone committing stolen valor comes to a thread about one. All you keep saying is "Nuh uh!!! Liar!!!" lol. It's very easy to tell a soldier vs. a civilian. Anyone who just says "you're a liar! No!!!" has clearly never stepped foot on any military installation or worn anything resembling a uniform.

Which is why your posts are still relevant. They are stolen valor.

IMO, it should be a federal offense. However, everyone's entitled to their 1st amendment right.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Hillary Clinton's attempt at stolen valor seems to make little difference to a lot of people, and she could be the next Commander In Chief.

 

[mak2]

Would not have happened if the Repubs weren't running Trump.

Hillary Clinton's attempt at stolen valor seems to make little difference to a lot of people, and she could be the next Commander In Chief.

 

[Excon]

You came to a thread pretending to know anything about the military.

Thank you again for demonstrating why the dumb infantry meme has traction.

How ironic that someone committing stolen valor comes to a thread about one.

You were already told you were wrong.
You failed to pay attention, thus establishing why in some cases the "dumb infantry" meme is valid.

And even though you were corrected you continue spewing your nonsense. Thus showing everyone you choose to lie.
Like I said earlier, the two are likely related.

All you keep saying is "Nuh uh!!! Liar!!!" lol.

Wrong, that would be you.
I have already established that I was in the military on this forum. I can not say the same for you.

It's very easy to tell a soldier vs. a civilian.

Yes it is very easy for some people to do so.
Clearly though, you are not one of them.

Anyone who just says "you're a liar! No!!!" has clearly never stepped foot on any military installation or worn anything resembling a uniform.

Which is why your posts are still relevant. They are stolen valor.

You have already been corrected, yet you insist on posting lies. That is a very stupid position to hold.

Thank you again for demonstrating why the "dumb infantry" meme has traction.

 

[D_NATURED]

Ok, I'll be honest. Stolen Valor never really bothered me when I was in the National Guard. I heard about a few instances at this local mall where some dudes threw on ACUs and pretended to be pvts for a free milkshake or some sh*!. Whatever that didn't really bother me.

Now to what happened to me:

Of course I didn't have my phone to video tape this as*clown for all the world to see (I was on a run). For this is greatly regret.

So I'm running around the golf course off base here in AZ. Just finished about a year's worth of training. It was supposed to be 9 months but I didn't do so hot in one cycle lol.

Anyway; I'm on my 3rd mile when I see a small party going on. I slow down because I notice a group of NCOs in the face of what looks like (from a distance) a decorated Airborne Ranger. I'm thinking to myself, "wow he must have really done something wrong for someone in the regiment to be getting chewed out by some NCOs from the nerd farm".

Get this, I walk closer and see this dude is wearing two OIF and two OEF BEOs (pins) and has the Ranger scroll AND some weird unit patch that didn't exist TOGETHER. He was all kinds of fuc**d up!! I couldn't believe it. How many people do you think this jerrkoff tricked into thinking he was an actual soldier? Let alone a member of the special operations community! You would think this idiot would have studied some pictures of actual Rangers and would have unfuc**d himself before going out in public! I'm just glad these NCOs happened to have been at this engagement party to call him out!

Anyone else run into something crazy like this? Very curious to know if this is a 'common' thing.

Maybe if we didn't treat soldiers like they were this country's holy saviors that stuff wouldn't work. The worship of the military is what creates the conditions for such fraud. Calling warring "valor" is a prime example of a form of political correctness or dogma that the human species must grow out of.

I have a family full of military, including two actual airborn rangers and they are just normal people with flaws and weaknesses. No doubt, what we cherish in this world defines our future. If we can't find a way to live without war, we're all screwed.

 

[11Bravo]

Thank you again for demonstrating why the dumb infantry meme has traction.

You were already told you were wrong.
You failed to pay attention, thus establishing why in some cases the "dumb infantry" meme is valid.

And even though you were corrected you continue spewing your nonsense. Thus showing everyone you choose to lie.
Like I said earlier, the two are likely related.


Wrong, that would be you.
I have already established that I was in the military on this forum. I can not say the same for you.


Yes it is very easy for some people to do so.
Clearly though, you are not one of them.


You have already been corrected, yet you insist on posting lies. That is a very stupid position to hold.

Thank you again for demonstrating why the "dumb infantry" meme has traction.

This entire post, the whole thing, is you (without citing anything) just saying "Nu UH!!!" "NOT TRUE!".

Children learn how to speak more intellectually by age 9.

You clearly never served. The closest you came to the military was when they said "I'm sorry, we cannot send you to MEPS as you don't fit our criteria".

Stolen Valor is all too common these days :-(

 

[Excon]

This entire post, the whole thing, is you (without citing anything) just saying "Nu UH!!!" "NOT TRUE!".

Children learn how to speak more intellectually by age 9.

You clearly never served. The closest you came to the military was when they said "I'm sorry, we cannot send you to MEPS as you don't fit our criteria".

Stolen Valor is all too common these days :-(

Your replies continue to be as stupid as they are untrue.


Thank you again for demonstrating why the "dumb infantry" has traction.

 

[UtahBill]

While getting some warranty work done at a car dealership, I met a guy wearing a GTMO cap.

I was stationed there way back, 71-74, as a Navy Electronics Tech.

So I told him that, then asked him what he does, or did, there.

He said "I can't talk about it, it is classified.

Really? And you wear the hat that invites discussion?

 

[mak2]

Probably got the hat at Goodwill.

While getting some warranty work done at a car dealership, I met a guy wearing a GTMO cap.

I was stationed there way back, 71-74, as a Navy Electronics Tech.

So I told him that, then asked him what he does, or did, there.

He said "I can't talk about it, it is classified.

Really? And you wear the hat that invites discussion?

 

[ashurbanipal]

I tried to join up after high school. Recruiter saw me light some matchsticks from 50 yards with iron sights on a semi-auto .22 LR, and wanted me for sniper school. But an old back injury disqualified me. I'm pretty liberal, politically speaking, but this kind of thing (i.e. dressing in uniform you haven't earned) is pretty damned disgusting. People ought to be free to dress as they Will, but that doesn't mean the rest of us aren't free to tell those who choose something like this just what we think of them.

 

[11Bravo]

I tried to join up after high school. Recruiter saw me light some matchsticks from 50 yards with iron sights on a semi-auto .22 LR, and wanted me for sniper school. But an old back injury disqualified me. I'm pretty liberal, politically speaking, but this kind of thing (i.e. dressing in uniform you haven't earned) is pretty damned disgusting. People ought to be free to dress as they Will, but that doesn't mean the rest of us aren't free to tell those who choose something like this just what we think of them.

Sorry to hear about your injury. I very much agree.

 

[11Bravo]

While getting some warranty work done at a car dealership, I met a guy wearing a GTMO cap.

I was stationed there way back, 71-74, as a Navy Electronics Tech.

So I told him that, then asked him what he does, or did, there.

He said "I can't talk about it, it is classified.

Really? And you wear the hat that invites discussion?

Haha classification of jobs is never the case. That guy is such a liar. The military would rather them make up something else than say "I can't tell you what I do, it's classified". That draws more attention.

 

[Higgins86]

That's nice when you have an officer like that. Ones that know to let the NCO's lead the show. My first platoon leader when I was in the infantry, was horrible. He was straight out of BOLC from ROTC, and smoked our platoon for an hour for some pvt losing his name tape while unpacking the cattle cars. I was like "wow really? you've been dreaming about this since you left college you punk". He didn't last long though. He tried to grab an XO position but the state gave it to someone else. He resigned his commission soon after

Ex-Rankers always made the best officers in my experience. The young officers that came out of Sandhurst with a stiff upper lip always had to work very hard to earn any kind of respect, I'd say 70% of them didn't deserve respect.

 

[Higgins86]

Do you get a lot of discounts in the US if you're a Vet?