Spokane county shelter adopts out pit bull, kills 4 year old boy

[Superfly]

Call me ignorant all you want, especially if that's all you got by way of rebuttal; it doesn't change the facts. A pittie can be raised to be anything you want it to be; proper care and training - and ownership can make a pittie just as sweet as any other dog. There is nothing in the pittie's dna that makes them inherently any more dangerous than any other breed of dog.

^^ This.

 

[Superfly]

Facts are discriminatory?

This image shows deaths... not bites. Pit Bulls literally kill twice as many humans as the other 9 breeds combined.

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Almost 2 humans die every month due to pit bull attacks... most of them are children.

1 child a day dies from swimming pools. Are we going to ban swimming pools next?

 

[Arlette]

This is a topic that doesn’t get enough attention, how animal “rights” extremists have taken over local animal shelters which are taxpayer funded and used them as platforms to advance agendas like “no kill” policies which directly lead to often fatal harm to the public. This isn’t the first time this has happened, but it’s a pretty interesting case.

From the excellent website dogsbite.org we get the story

2023 Dog Bite Fatality: Pit Bull-Mix that Killed Child on Halloween in Northeast Spokane, Washington was Recently Adopted

Dog Adopted Out by County Shelter (SCRAPS) 8-Weeks Earlier Colton Kline, 4, was killed by a family dog in northeast Spokane, Washington. Dog Adopted from County UPDATE 12/06/23: The dog that killed Colton Kline was adopted from Spokane Regional Animal

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Basically this 2 year old male pitbull was taken into Spokane county animal rescue, no information about why the animal ended up in the shelter has been provided to journalists or seemingly to the family who adopted the dog, and within 3 months, December of 2023, the pit bull fatally attacks the family’s 4 year old boy.

This is of course no surprise because these types of attacks against children and the elderly/infirm by pit bulls adopted as “pets” occur multiple times every year. Resulting in deaths or disfigurement. Less then four months before Colton Kline was killed by the pitbull Spokane adopted an ordinance banning the animal rescue from euthanizing dangerous animals

Unfortunately no one was at the council to advocate for children like Colton Kline, only his killer is worthy of representation in the city of Spokane

It’s way past time responsible legislators start cracking down on animal shelters. No kill policies should be illegal and pit bulls should be presumed dangerous and euthanized when admitted to shelters. At the very least anyone thinking of adopting a pit bull should be entitled to written warnings from the shelters explaining these dogs are dangerous, kill more people then all other breeds combined, and have such a strong jaw lock that you can’t get them off their victims. One report of the attack shows the child’s grandmother actually repeatedly sliced this dog with a knife including in the throat and it still came back to continue the attack. People don’t know what they’re getting into with these animals and shelters need to start being held accountable

Nonsense. Pits are no more dangerous than other large dogs. Shit happens. That's life

 

[Bodi]

1 child a day dies from swimming pools. Are we going to ban swimming pools next?

I said in an earlier post in this thread that all pools built where there are kids should have mandatory fences...

If you want to argue that all Pit Bulls have to wear jaw guards/masks at all time as an equivalent then I could see that.

Otherwise... *shrug*

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Nonsense. Pits are no more dangerous than other large dogs. Shit happens. That's life

Total nonsense

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Call me ignorant all you want, especially if that's all you got by way of rebuttal; it doesn't change the facts. A pittie can be raised to be anything you want it to be; proper care and training - and ownership can make a pittie just as sweet as any other dog. There is nothing in the pittie's dna that makes them inherently any more dangerous than any other breed of dog.

Other then the massive selective breeding for aggressive violence?

 

[Pippi Longstock]

Your credit score can make you uninsurable.

Your claims history can make you uninsurable.

Your location can make you uninsurable.

The age of your house can make you uninsurable.

The fact that you don’t have an HVAC can make you uninsurable, for piss sakes.

The insurance companies are looking for reasons to not insure you.

Don’t read too much into this.

Well since we are talking about pit bulls it matters in that context.

 

[poppopfox]

Other then the massive selective breeding for aggressive violence?

Massive selective breeding? Prove your claim with some numbers from a reputable source.
Then try to put a little love in your heart. The world will be a better place.

 

[Pippi Longstock]

I said in an earlier post in this thread that all pools built where there are kids should have mandatory fences...

If you want to argue that all Pit Bulls have to wear jaw guards/masks at all time as an equivalent then I could see that.

Otherwise... *shrug*

Where I live all pools do have a fence requirement or some sort of requirement that keeps people from easily entering the pool water. Personally I think people who have a pit bull should also have to have some sort of licence or training or awareness program associated with the dog. That doesn't mean I would trust the dog but it could help cut down on the lackadaisical approach to owning a dangerous animal.

 

[yankintx]

As someone who has been bitten by a few dogs over the years, I believe some dogs are just plain aggressive, as our some people.

This breed seems to have a reputation, perhaps unfairly.

Personally I am a cat person, a cats aggression has never resulted in requiring stitches.

 

[BirdinHand]

Other than the massive selective breeding for aggressive violence?

“massive”

 

[DCCougar]

....animal “rights” extremists have taken over local animal shelters....

A brief review of the article you link to reveals that your rendition of this story is inexcusably false and misleading. Basically, you lay blame on the wrong organization.

Nevertheless, I do agree that pitbulls should be outlawed, and breeding pitbulls should also be outlawed.

 

[poppopfox]

Where I live all pools do have a fence requirement or some sort of requirement that keeps people from easily entering the pool water. Personally I think people who have a pit bull should also have to have some sort of licence or training or awareness program associated with the dog. That doesn't mean I would trust the dog but it could help cut down on the lackadaisical approach to owning a dangerous animal.

How about including Rottweilers?

• 45 fatal attacks from period of the study
• Protective of family but not visitors, wanted or not
• Powerful with a bad temper
• 328 PSI bite force

German Shepherds?

• History of deadly attacks
• 20 deaths from the study
• Aggressive and territorial
• 238-291 PSI bite force

American Bulldog?

• Powerful, muscular build
• Responsible for 15 deaths
• 3.5% of fatal dog attacks in study
• 305 PSI bite force

Bullmastiff?

• 3.2% of fatal dog attacks in the study
• Weigh up to 130 pounds
• Able to cause severe damage
• 552 PSI bite force

Siberian Huskie?

• 3% of fatal attacks
• Record of attacking adults and children
• Strong survival instincts
• 320 PSI bite force

All of the above have a bite force higher than the typical Pittie (235 PSI)

The 14 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds

 

[Pippi Longstock]

How about including Rottweilers?

• 45 fatal attacks from period of the study
• Protective of family but not visitors, wanted or not
• Powerful with a bad temper
• 328 PSI bite force

German Shepherds?

• History of deadly attacks
• 20 deaths from the study
• Aggressive and territorial
• 238-291 PSI bite force

American Bulldog?

• Powerful, muscular build
• Responsible for 15 deaths
• 3.5% of fatal dog attacks in study
• 305 PSI bite force

Bullmastiff?

• 3.2% of fatal dog attacks in the study
• Weigh up to 130 pounds
• Able to cause severe damage
• 552 PSI bite force

Siberian Huskie?

• 3% of fatal attacks
• Record of attacking adults and children
• Strong survival instincts
• 320 PSI bite force

All of the above have a bite force higher than the typical Pittie (235 PSI)

The 14 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds

I already posted something on different dog breeds that are dangerous. Since this thread was focused on pit bulls that's where I tried to stay.

 

[Credence]

Seems to me the problem here isn't the dog, but the lack of historical record-keeping of the dog and it's previous history.

Pit bulls are not by nature "evil." No dog is. Pit bulls are strong, have one of the strongest bites, etc., but every dog, regardless its size is capable of inflicting injury on another being.

It's all a function of how they were trained and raised - hence the need for shelters in particular to have and keep as accurate a set of historical records they can. Unfortunately, this can be quite difficult, for a variety of reasons. Given that, it is then incumbent on those adopting these dogs - any dog - to do their homework, and do it thoroughly to know if the dog matches your lifestyle and etc. Not every breed is suitable for everyone; you NEED to do your homework for personality, training, temperament, sociability, etc. and make sure they match your lifestyle - and family. Pit bulls get a horrifically bad rap because of the widespread ignorance of this one, key fact.

I couldn't agree more.

I also believe when any dog is adopted, truthful, background information should be mandatory.

When any strong dog such as a bulldog is paired with an irresponsible owner it has negative effects on the dog's behavior and causes trauma and is not the dog's fault.
No different than when an abusive, irresponsible parent raises a child

 

[poppopfox]

I already posted something on different dog breeds that are dangerous. Since this thread was focused on pit bulls that's where I tried to stay.

Considering that breed labels at animal shelters are wrong 75% of the time, I was pointing out the impracticality of your solution. Forgive me if it sounded personal but I've been doing advocacy work for the local shelter for a good number of years and pitties are the least understood and the most subjected to public bias out of all the mixes of breeds that come through our doors.

 

[poppopfox]

I couldn't agree more.

I also believe when any dog is adopted, truthful, background information should be mandatory.

We don't get any background information on the strays we take in. All we can provide is a behavioral assessment and anectdotals of the dog's demeanor when acting with staff and volunteers while at the shelter. We also screen our adopters based on their experience with particular breeds, the age of family members and the presence of other animals in the home.

When any strong dog such as a bulldog is paired with an irresponsible owner it has negative effects on the dog's behavior and causes trauma and is not the dog's fault.
No different than when an abusive, irresponsible parent raises a child

No disagreement there.

 

[Pippi Longstock]

Considering that breed labels at animal shelters are wrong 75% of the time, I was pointing out the impracticality of your solution. Forgive me if it sounded personal but I've been doing advocacy work for the local shelter for a good number of years and pitties are the least understood and the most subjected to public bias out of all the mixes of breeds that come through our doors.

After all things considered so for in my mind on this topic. It does seem like pit bulls are the poster dog of dangerous animals. That is evident to me in that there are so many dogs listed on the lists both yours and mine. I think it's irresponsible for people to just be given a dangerous dog without proper vetting of the family and dog and training. I think I understand the heart of someone who does dog advocacy but I would always advocate for safety over expediency.

 

[Superfly]

Well since we are talking about pit bulls it matters in that context.

No actually it doesn’t matter. You are complaining about pit bulls making you uninsurable. That then opens the door to conversations about how the insurance company levies many things against you that make you uninsurable.

 

[Bodecea]

'Hate is like a hot coal, the longer you hold on to it the deeper it burns." Karmic wisdom
You should start treating those burns my friend, they've gotta be painful.


Sick. Not surprised you hate dogs, guessing the feeling is mutual.
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His lard and master hates dogs too...first time in a long time there was no dog at the WH. Dogs sense evil.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

How about including Rottweilers?

• 45 fatal attacks from period of the study
• Protective of family but not visitors, wanted or not
• Powerful with a bad temper
• 328 PSI bite force

German Shepherds?

• History of deadly attacks
• 20 deaths from the study
• Aggressive and territorial
• 238-291 PSI bite force

American Bulldog?

• Powerful, muscular build
• Responsible for 15 deaths
• 3.5% of fatal dog attacks in study
• 305 PSI bite force

Bullmastiff?

• 3.2% of fatal dog attacks in the study
• Weigh up to 130 pounds
• Able to cause severe damage
• 552 PSI bite force

Siberian Huskie?

• 3% of fatal attacks
• Record of attacking adults and children
• Strong survival instincts
• 320 PSI bite force

All of the above have a bite force higher than the typical Pittie (235 PSI)

The 14 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds

Yet Pits kill and maim more people than all these breeds combined. No one cares about nerd charts with bite force. This isn’t relevant.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Massive selective breeding? Prove your claim with some numbers from a reputable source.
Then try to put a little love in your heart. The world will be a better place.

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I’m going to presume you mean every single statistical analysis of dog attacks ever as well as the indisputable history of the breed and it’s evolution through bear baiting to dog fighting is not “reputable” right?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

A brief review of the article you link to reveals that your rendition of this story is inexcusably false and misleading. Basically, you lay blame on the wrong organization.

Nevertheless, I do agree that pitbulls should be outlawed, and breeding pitbulls should also be outlawed.

It says exactly what I wrote, a month before the fatal attack that killed Kline the city passed a resolution banning the use of euthanasia for dangerous dogs

 

[poppopfox]

After all things considered so for in my mind on this topic. It does seem like pit bulls are the poster dog of dangerous animals. That is evident to me in that there are so many dogs listed on the lists both yours and mine. I think it's irresponsible for people to just be given a dangerous dog without proper vetting of the family and dog and training. I think I understand the heart of someone who does dog advocacy but I would always advocate for safety over expediency.

That's what our local shelter tries to do, but maybe they are the exception?

 

[JasperL]

I tend to love yorkies and pomeranians when they arent raised by fashion show freaks.

I've wanted a little yorkie for a while. Our neighbors had one - Rocky - and he was a great little dog. Went hiking with her and the other dogs and was very confident and friendly. Unfortunately he escaped out of his fence and was hit by a car....

And I think you're right - people who raise them as dogs, socialized, with appropriate boundaries, versus accessories or little toys, can end up with great little companions. I've met many out, at the park, restaurants, etc. that I'd love to bring home, if we didn't already have two dogs...

Here's a great story - a yorkie found during WWII that survived battles, etc...

Smoky (dog) - Wikipedia

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