Spokane county shelter adopts out pit bull, kills 4 year old boy

[poppopfox]

Yet Pits kill and maim more people than all these breeds combined.

Gun toting humans kill and maim more more people than all the other species of animals on this planet combined.

No one cares about nerd charts with bite force.

You only speak for yourself. The hubris is self-evident.

This isn’t relevant.

You are the least capable person here qualified to render such a judgment.

 

[poppopfox]

I’m going to presume you mean every single statistical analysis of dog attacks ever as well as the indisputable history of the breed and it’s evolution through bear baiting to dog fighting is not “reputable” right?

I asked you to prove your claim. Can't you do so? Perhaps you shouldn't bloviate ignorance then?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Gun toting humans kill and maim more more people than all the other species of animals on this planet combined.

Not relevant

You only speak for yourself. The hubris is self-evident.

You are the least capable person here qualified to render such a judgment.

Not an argument

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I asked you to prove your claim. Can't you do so? Perhaps you shouldn't bloviate ignorance then?

which one are you disputing?

 

[Pippi Longstock]

That's what our local shelter tries to do, but maybe they are the exception?

It does depend on how seriously the shelter takes the issue. One other exception I can think of is the people who buy a dangerous dog from a breeder. The buyer may not know what they are getting into. I kind of think that could be corrected if the person had to have a licence in order to have a dangerous dog but maybe the licence should be that the seller has to have it and do the same assessments and inform the buyer of potential problems. I also think it should be common knowledge and discussed that if you own a dangerous dog that you should be insured for it.

 

[poppopfox]

Not relevant

Not an argument

which one are you disputing?

 

[trixare4kids]

In general, humans are the problem, not the dog.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

However, by the time the dog gets to the shelter, the dog isn't always capable of being socialized. Some are irreparably damaged as was the clear case with the Pitbull who went out for adoption, killing a four-year-old child. Someone or some at the shelter seriously failed the family who adopted this dog because those in charge of making sure he was ready for adoption seriously screwed up. This dog was clearly unsociable and unadoptable.

 

[Peter]

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

However, by the time the dog gets to the shelter, the dog isn't always capable of being socialized. Some are irreparably damaged as was the clear case with the Pitbull who went out for adoption, killing a four-year-old child. Someone or some at the shelter seriously failed the family who adopted this dog because those in charge of making sure he was ready for adoption seriously screwed up. This dog was clearly unsociable and unadoptable.

I'm sure the people at the shelter who let the dog out for adoption are devastated.
Nobody does a job like that and wants something like this to happen.

 

[Superfly]

Yet Pits kill and maim more people than all these breeds combined. No one cares about nerd charts with bite force. This isn’t relevant.

Sure. Facts aren’t relevant.

Only some random guy on the internet’s opinion matters.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Other then the massive selective breeding for aggressive violence?

There are five (5) breeds of "pit bulls" - Source

• The American "Bully"
• The American Pit Bull Terrier
• The American Staffordshire Terrier
• The Staffordshire Bull Terrier and,
• The American Bulldog.

The range in size from 24 pounds to 120 pounds and height from 13" to 28"

--> Which breed do you contend is the one that was "massively selectively bred for aggressive violence?"



From the link:

Pit bull-type dogs often face unfair discrimination. These dogs were bred for their muscular build and consequently have been used in inhumane dogfighting sports. This has given them an inaccurate reputation as being overly aggressive dogs. In fact, pit bull-type dogs are usually incredibly loving, loyal, and gentle with their family members. They also tend to be playful and eager to please.​

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Pit bull-type dogs typically have muscular, stocky builds with deep chests and large, square heads. They’re notoriously determined dogs. When given a task, whether it be learning a new trick or digging a hole, they won’t give up easily. And they usually love people, including strangers, and crave attention. Training and socialization from a young age are important for pit bulls. Otherwise, their size and strength can be difficult to handle, as they might pull hard on a leash or jump up on people to greet them.​

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[EdwinWillers]

We don't get any background information on the strays we take in. All we can provide is a behavioral assessment and anectdotals of the dog's demeanor when acting with staff and volunteers while at the shelter. We also screen our adopters based on their experience with particular breeds, the age of family members and the presence of other animals in the home.

No disagreement there.

Well said.

Most of the "pit bull" breeds (there are at least 5) are of the TERRIER group. My wife and I are terrier lovers, having rescued West Highland White Terriers (Westies) for the past 35 years. We've gotten most from a local group called "Westie Rescue" - and they do rather strong background assessments of people wanting to rescue any of their dogs - assessments that usually include home visits. We actually did several ourselves for the group over the years. While the primary motive for such background checks was for the welfare of the dog (who'd already been through enough trauma getting into the adoption queue), it was also critical to assess the lifestyle, home, and temperaments of the adoptors so they knew what they were getting into adopting a terrier (aka "terrors").

For us, this is just plain common sense.

That said - we've run into a LOT of people - dog owners - who had no business adopting a dog, or the particular breed of dog they did. Our current Westie was purchased at 8 weeks by a couple and then given up to us at the age of 6 - because the dog no longer "fit" the family's lifestyle. It's heartbreaking taking a dog from its home of 6 years - but that's the sort of crap that many ignorant dog owners do to their dogs, and often worse.

I've met acquaintances with small children who owned several Rottweilers. The kids and dogs get along famously, the dogs being very protective of the kids. Would I ever recommend such a situation to anyone? NEVER. Just because it worked out in that situation does not mean it'd work out for all similar situations. The same with "pit bulls." I'd NEVER recommend someone get a "pit bull" who had small children at home. Never.

Is that a reflection on the dog? Absolutely not. It's an acknowledgment that despite their generally affectionate temperament that other aspects of their temperament - like stubbornness, intense focus, strong "prey drives" and such generally don't make them an ideal choice for a family with small kids.

Again, common sense needs to be the rule of the day, not fear based on ignorance or bad press.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

There are five (5) breeds of "pit bulls" - Source

• The American "Bully"
• The American Pit Bull Terrier
• The American Staffordshire Terrier
• The Staffordshire Bull Terrier and,
• The American Bulldog.

The range in size from 24 pounds to 120 pounds and height from 13" to 28"

--> Which breed do you contend is the one that was "massively selectively bred for aggressive violence?"



From the link:

Pit bull-type dogs often face unfair discrimination. These dogs were bred for their muscular build and consequently have been used in inhumane dogfighting sports. This has given them an inaccurate reputation as being overly aggressive dogs. In fact, pit bull-type dogs are usually incredibly loving, loyal, and gentle with their family members. They also tend to be playful and eager to please.​

​

Pit bull-type dogs typically have muscular, stocky builds with deep chests and large, square heads. They’re notoriously determined dogs. When given a task, whether it be learning a new trick or digging a hole, they won’t give up easily. And they usually love people, including strangers, and crave attention. Training and socialization from a young age are important for pit bulls. Otherwise, their size and strength can be difficult to handle, as they might pull hard on a leash or jump up on people to greet them.​

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All of them, they’re the same dog. The bully XL is just a large pitbull, and they are so dangerous that the United Kingdom just banned them after a speed of fatal attacks.

The American Staffordshire terrier, is the American pitbull terrier. The same dog can be registered with the united kennel club as the American pitbull terrier or the American kennel club as the American staffordshire terrier, do you know what the American Staffordshire terrier is? It was a paper fraud committed by John p Colby because he was breeding fighting dogs and the AKC wouldn’t let him register his pit bull studs, so he created a breed name of “staffordshire terrier” to register his fighting dogs, and you know what happened to the sire of the Staffordshire terrier bloodline?

Well, it tore the neck out of Colby’s nephew

 

[EMNofSeattle]

--> Which breed do you contend is the one that was "massively selectively bred for aggressive violence?"

All pitbull dogs are bread for violence. This is not even in dispute. At least not among serious historians.

From the link:

Pit bull-type dogs often face unfair discrimination. ​

Lol pit bulls are like the Rohingya or the Jews? Lol

These dogs were bred for their muscular build and consequently have been used in inhumane dogfighting sports. ​

It is the other way around, these types of dogs were specifically bred for fighting sports. They are the evolution of 400 years of selective breeding for sports, such as bearbaiting, which is where they were bred to attack the face and neck, and bullbaiting, which is where they were bred for a muscular jaw that doesn’t let go.

This has given them an inaccurate reputation as being overly aggressive dogs. ​

Inaccurate? Lol

The majority of fatal dog attacks in America are pit bulls. There is an attorney named Ken Phillips, who specializes in dog bite lol, I listen to them on a radio interview where he said every single fatality case he has ever represented a client on has been a pitbull.

incredibly loving, loyal, and gentle with their family members. They also tend to be playful and eager to please.​

This is subjective gobblygook

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Pit bull-type dogs typically have muscular, stocky builds with deep chests and large, square heads. They’re notoriously determined dogs. When given a task, whether it be learning a new trick or digging a hole, they won’t give up easily. ​

Especially if that task is tearing the face off a young child, Pibbie doesn’t give up!

And they usually love people, including strangers, and crave attention. Training and socialization from a young age are important for pit bulls. Otherwise, their size and strength can be difficult to handle, as they might pull hard on a leash or jump up on people to greet them.​

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Or attack them, and in many pitbull attacks, it will require the use of firearms to get them to release their jaws.

 

[Lovebug]

The only good pit bull is one with a bullet hole between its eyes.

Really?

 

[Mycroft]

Really?

Yes.

It doesn't matter if it's a puppy like the one that attacked me and left a scar on my upper thigh or if it's a full grown one that destroyed the hand of the girlfriend of a friend of mine.

 

[Lovebug]

This is a topic that doesn’t get enough attention, how animal “rights” extremists have taken over local animal shelters which are taxpayer funded and used them as platforms to advance agendas like “no kill” policies which directly lead to often fatal harm to the public. This isn’t the first time this has happened, but it’s a pretty interesting case.

From the excellent website dogsbite.org we get the story

2023 Dog Bite Fatality: Pit Bull-Mix that Killed Child on Halloween in Northeast Spokane, Washington was Recently Adopted

Dog Adopted Out by County Shelter (SCRAPS) 8-Weeks Earlier Colton Kline, 4, was killed by a family dog in northeast Spokane, Washington. Dog Adopted from County UPDATE 12/06/23: The dog that killed Colton Kline was adopted from Spokane Regional Animal

blog.dogsbite.org

Basically this 2 year old male pitbull was taken into Spokane county animal rescue, no information about why the animal ended up in the shelter has been provided to journalists or seemingly to the family who adopted the dog, and within 3 months, December of 2023, the pit bull fatally attacks the family’s 4 year old boy.

This is of course no surprise because these types of attacks against children and the elderly/infirm by pit bulls adopted as “pets” occur multiple times every year. Resulting in deaths or disfigurement. Less then four months before Colton Kline was killed by the pitbull Spokane adopted an ordinance banning the animal rescue from euthanizing dangerous animals

Unfortunately no one was at the council to advocate for children like Colton Kline, only his killer is worthy of representation in the city of Spokane

It’s way past time responsible legislators start cracking down on animal shelters. No kill policies should be illegal and pit bulls should be presumed dangerous and euthanized when admitted to shelters. At the very least anyone thinking of adopting a pit bull should be entitled to written warnings from the shelters explaining these dogs are dangerous, kill more people then all other breeds combined, and have such a strong jaw lock that you can’t get them off their victims. One report of the attack shows the child’s grandmother actually repeatedly sliced this dog with a knife including in the throat and it still came back to continue the attack. People don’t know what they’re getting into with these animals and shelters need to start being held accountable

There are very few bad dogs but too many bad handlers.
This really is an unfortunate event and I wish the parents would have thought about adopting a family "friendly" dog.
Before we adopted puppy mill 'Sweetie' we tried to adopt a chihuahua at a shelter. We know how to handle dogs, even difficult ones but they insisted that he was a biter. No problem for us but yes, I understood the shelter's position. It worked out great because we now have our Sweetie.
Point is, dogs need someone who understands their temperament. This situation should never have happened and it isn't the dog's fault.

 

[Lovebug]

Yes.

It doesn't matter if it's a puppy like the one that attacked me and left a scar on my upper thigh or if it's a full grown one that destroyed the hand of the girlfriend of a friend of mine.

What did you do wrong?

 

[Mycroft]

What did you do wrong?

I was minding my own business walking on a path around a lake. The girlfriend was taking her two pit bulls for a walk.

They were all "good dogs"...and now they are dead.

 

[Lovebug]

I was minding my own business walking on a path around a lake. The girlfriend was taking her two pit bulls for a walk.

They were all "good dogs"...and now they are dead.

Bad handlers then.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Bad handlers then.

This is total nonsense

Nearly all cases of pitbull, fatalities, are not dogfighters or abusers, but dogs that have been raised as family pets.

 

[Mycroft]

Bad handlers then.

No.

Dogs that snapped.

 

[EdwinWillers]

All of them, they’re the same dog. The bully XL is just a large pitbull, and they are so dangerous that the United Kingdom just banned them after a speed of fatal attacks.

The American Staffordshire terrier, is the American pitbull terrier. The same dog can be registered with the united kennel club as the American pitbull terrier or the American kennel club as the American staffordshire terrier, do you know what the American Staffordshire terrier is? It was a paper fraud committed by John p Colby because he was breeding fighting dogs and the AKC wouldn’t let him register his pit bull studs, so he created a breed name of “staffordshire terrier” to register his fighting dogs, and you know what happened to the sire of the Staffordshire terrier bloodline?

Well, it tore the neck out of Colby’s nephew

For pity's sake - they are demonstrably NOT the same dog, or even the same breed. Goodness, you clearly know absolutely nothing about any of this.

I get you don't like them, but get a grip and admit your bias. You're being entirely irrational and unreasonable.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

For pity's sake - they are demonstrably NOT the same dog, or even the same breed. Goodness, you clearly know absolutely nothing about any of this.

I explained exactly who created the American staffordshire and why it’s a pit Bull and your response is “nuh uh”

You are the one who needs to do research, or maybe you did and learned I was right but can’t admit it

 

[Pippi Longstock]

What did you do wrong?

Nice victim blaming you got going there.

 

[EdwinWillers]

I explained exactly who created the American staffordshire and why it’s a pit Bull and your response is “nuh uh”

Yes, you did. And no, that wasn't my response; I explained quite succinctly and definitively the fact that there are FIVE (5) breeds of dogs under that generic name of "pit bull," one being your American Staffordshire. FIVE (5) distinct breeds of different height and weight - and appearance - heck, I even provided pictures should there be some who struggle with written explanations in articles written by experts in this field.

Would I recommend a family with young children get a pitty? As already explained, no, I definitely would not. Neither would I recommend a pitty for an elderly couple - e.g. my neighbor's wife was just sent to the hospital for a broken hip because her dog jerked her off her feet at the dog park. He's a cocker spaniel - which, btw, I would never recommend for a family with young children either.

People need to do their homework before getting ANY dog; repeat - ANY dog.