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Spokane county shelter adopts out pit bull, kills 4 year old boy

Homeowners Insurance will tell you how it's handled.


What Are The Dog Breeds Labeled as High-Risk or Uninsurable by Homeowners Insurance Company?​

The following dog breeds are labeled as high-risk or uninsurable:

  • Pit bulls
  • Staffordshire terrier
  • Bull terrier
  • Wolf hybrids
  • Akitas
  • Chow-chows
  • Dobermans
  • English bulldogs
  • Rottweilers
  • German shepherds
  • Siberian huskies
  • Alaskan malamutes
  • Presa canarios
  • Great danes
  • Boxers
  • Saint bernards
  • Mastiffs

How Can Pitbulls Affect Your Home Insurance?
 
But, that's just not true. It has nothing to do with size or strength; and it's just plain silly comparing them to wild animals.

Heck, there are much bigger dogs than pit bulls, with stronger bites too. The Cane Corso, Mastiffs, and etc. Heck, Rottweilers even.

ANY dog, raised, trained, and properly socialized can be a good pet. That said, not every dog is suitable for every person, or family, or situation. It's critical all that be properly matched. Clearly, this family made a tragic mistake in that regard - but that tragedy has nothing to do with the breed and everything to do with that particular dog, his upbringing, his history, his training - and or lack of all thereof.

Yes there are other big dogs but none of them attack as often and as fatally as the pit bull. It’s off the charts the difference between pit bulls and other breeds as far as attacks and deaths. It goes way beyond a training issue you would have to be very ignorant to deny that.
 
Homeowners Insurance will tell you how it's handled.


What Are The Dog Breeds Labeled as High-Risk or Uninsurable by Homeowners Insurance Company?​

The following dog breeds are labeled as high-risk or uninsurable:

  • Pit bulls
  • Staffordshire terrier
  • Bull terrier
  • Wolf hybrids
  • Akitas
  • Chow-chows
  • Dobermans
  • English bulldogs
  • Rottweilers
  • German shepherds
  • Siberian huskies
  • Alaskan malamutes
  • Presa canarios
  • Great danes
  • Boxers
  • Saint bernards
  • Mastiffs

How Can Pitbulls Affect Your Home Insurance?
And riskier than a dog - even a pit bull - for insurance carriers is a pool or a trampoline.
 
Yes there are other big dogs but none of them attack as often and as fatally as the pit bull. It’s off the charts the difference between pit bulls and other breeds as far as attacks and deaths. It goes way beyond a training issue you would have to be very ignorant to deny that.
Call me ignorant all you want, especially if that's all you got by way of rebuttal; it doesn't change the facts. A pittie can be raised to be anything you want it to be; proper care and training - and ownership can make a pittie just as sweet as any other dog. There is nothing in the pittie's dna that makes them inherently any more dangerous than any other breed of dog.
 
Call me ignorant all you want, especially if that's all you got by way of rebuttal; it doesn't change the facts. A pittie can be raised to be anything you want it to be; proper care and training - and ownership can make a pittie just as sweet as any other dog. There is nothing in the pittie's dna that makes them inherently any more dangerous than any other breed of dog.
To say that requires that all dog types are similar in personality and aggression. Research shows that's not the case.

Some breeds have been bred over time to be more aggressive. If that aggressive tendency is not controlled through careful training the results are not good.
 
To say that requires that all dog types are similar in personality and aggression. Research shows that's not the case.

Some breeds have been bred over time to be more aggressive. If that aggressive tendency is not controlled through careful training the results are not good.
Not entirely inaccurate - but every breed, just like in humanity, has its "bad apples." And you're right, you can't train, or properly socialize, or raise every dog (or human) to be perfectly behaved.

That said, pitties get an inordinate amount of bad publicity - and it's unfair; it's particularly unfair to label an entire breed "dangerous" on the basis of those few bad apples - particularly when it's been shown most of the "bad apple" incidents DO have rational explanations unrelated to the breed for such behaviors.
 
Call me ignorant all you want, especially if that's all you got by way of rebuttal; it doesn't change the facts. A pittie can be raised to be anything you want it to be; proper care and training - and ownership can make a pittie just as sweet as any other dog. There is nothing in the pittie's dna that makes them inherently any more dangerous than any other breed of dog.
Every person who adopts a pit that fatally attacks someone always says they trained their Pibbie and he was the sweetest ever, he watched the kids, licked people, volunteered at the soup kitchen. Then snaps and kills someone
 
Not entirely inaccurate - but every breed, just like in humanity, has its "bad apples." And you're right, you can't train, or properly socialize, or raise every dog (or human) to be perfectly behaved.

That said, pitties get an inordinate amount of bad publicity - and it's unfair; it's particularly unfair to label an entire breed "dangerous" on the basis of those few bad apples - particularly when it's been shown most of the "bad apple" incidents DO have rational explanations unrelated to the breed for such behaviors.
Lol like the pit bull advocate who said a 2 year old baby provoked Pibbie into killing him by crying? Pfft
 
They should also put this sign up by the gate...

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That's just discriminatory stereotyping. And frankly, the facts are quite skewed inasmuch as among all dog bites from all breeds, pit bull bites tend to be the most reported ones - unlike bites from the other breeds.

Plus - there is a HUGE difference between being "dangerous" (all dogs can be labeled dangerous in certain circumstances) and "aggressive." Unfortunately, it's the latter designation that pitties typically get - and wrongfully so.

I would NEVER leave a child alone with any dog, regardless their size or their breed. Period. In that sense, all dogs are indeed dangerous - and for a variety of reasons. But are all dogs naturally aggressive? Of course not - and that INCLUDES the various breeds we call "pit bulls." As the video I posted earlier shows, pitties can be anything BUT dangerous or aggressive. Just depends on their breeding, upbringing, training, and socialization (like with ANY dog).

 
That's just discriminatory stereotyping.
Facts are discriminatory?
And frankly, the facts are quite skewed inasmuch as among all dog bites from all breeds, pit bull bites tend to be the most reported ones - unlike bites from the other breeds.
This image shows deaths... not bites. Pit Bulls literally kill twice as many humans as the other 9 breeds combined.

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Plus - there is a HUGE difference between being "dangerous" (all dogs can be labeled dangerous in certain circumstances) and "aggressive." Unfortunately, it's the latter designation that pitties typically get - and wrongfully so.
Almost 2 humans die every month due to pit bull attacks... most of them are children.
 
Every person who adopts a pit that fatally attacks someone always says they trained their Pibbie and he was the sweetest ever, he watched the kids, licked people, volunteered at the soup kitchen. Then snaps and kills someone
Every person that has a gun talks about how all gun owners are good guys with guns until that person snaps and goes and shoots up a school. That gun owner is then removed from the good guy with guns column to keep the percentage at 100%
 
Facts are discriminatory?

This image shows deaths... not bites. Pit Bulls literally kill twice as many humans as the other 9 breeds combined.

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Almost 2 humans die every month due to pit bull attacks... most of them are children.
I stand by my post. I still think yours is discriminatory stereotyping inasmuch as those facts do not remotely constitute the entire corpus of factual data concerning pit bulls. You chose one aspect of them, hence the accurate label "discriminatory."
 
I stand by my post. I still think yours is discriminatory stereotyping inasmuch as those facts do not remotely constitute the entire corpus of factual data concerning pit bulls. You chose one aspect of them, hence the accurate label "discriminatory."
I fail to see how showing a stat about how many humans Pit Bulls kill each year is discriminatory when the argument is, how dangerous are Pit Bulls.

LOL
 
Almost 2 humans die every month due to pit bull attacks... most of them are children.
12 kids in the US die from a gun EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Every person that has a gun talks about how all gun owners are good guys with guns until that person snaps and goes and shoots up a school. That gun owner is then removed from the good guy with guns column to keep the percentage at 100%

And notice how some of the same people that poo poo away gun deaths are here all fussed up over deaths because of a dog.

More kids die in swimming pools or falling down the steps annually than from ANY dog…but pit bulls?

They’re the REAL threat.


Amazing.
 
12 kids in the US die from a gun EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I am against guns as well...
And notice how some of the same people that poo poo away gun deaths are here all fussed up over deaths because of a dog.
It is an enigma ...
More kids die in swimming pools or falling down the steps annually than from ANY dog…but pit bulls?
Pools built by people with kids should have mandatory fences required.
They’re the REAL threat.
I try to asses problems that have very easy solutions. Phasing Pit Bulls out is very easy and solves a very real problem.
 
I fail to see how showing a stat about how many humans Pit Bulls kill each year is discriminatory when the argument is, how dangerous are Pit Bulls.

LOL
Well first off, that chart is NOT about how many people pit bulls kill each year - it's about how many people pit bulls have killed over a 13 year period (2005-2017) - which is roughly 22 people annually. Nothing to applaud by any stretch inasmuch as every one of those deaths is quite tragic - but 22 deaths among a population of 330 million is hardly statistically relevant.

Secondly, and the primary reason I call it discriminatory, is that we're given literally zero background information regarding any of those deaths or the circumstances leading up to them, let alone about the dogs - their background, their upbringing, their training or lack thereof; all we're given is that they were "pit bulls."

And furthermore - acknowledging this argument is about "how dangerous pit bulls are" - the same logic applies.

So to label an entire breed as you've done, on the basis of 22 deaths annually among a population of 330 million is, you have to admit, a tad unfair.
 
LOL.

I had a chihuahua. He passed from old age in 2021.

He was a funny little dog - loved to burrow under blankets and pillows and weirdo would jump up on the edge of the tub and get between shower curtains - he loved a steamy bathroom 😂

But yeah, many of them are nippy little things. I think way too many tiny dogs are not only overbred, but also never trained right because owners treat them like accessories.
Friend of ours here raises chickens and rabbits and has problems with rats. Her chihuahua kills them. Enthusiastically.
 
Well first off, that chart is NOT about how many people pit bulls kill each year - it's about how many people pit bulls have killed over a 13 year period (2005-2017) -
Semantics. With some basic math from the numbers that the Chart shows you can easily work out about how many are killed per year.

Even if you want to remain staunch about such a meaningless point the numbers still show that Pit Bulls kill twice as many people as the other 9 dog breeds combined kill.
which is roughly 22 people annually. Nothing to applaud by any stretch inasmuch as every one of those deaths is quite tragic - but 22 deaths among a population of 330 million is hardly statistically relevant.
Incorrect way of looking at it. The number of people is irrelevant. The number of Pit Bulls that kill people out of the total number of Pit Bulls is what is relevant. There are about 18 million pit bulls in the USA...

In the 10 years from 2009 to 2018, pit bulls killed or maimed 3,569 people in the USA and Canada.


From 2011 to 2019, 14 peer-reviewed retrospective medical studies from Level 1 trauma centers spanning all major geographical regions in the United States — Northeast, Southeast, South, Southwest, Midwest, West Coast, and Northwest — all report similar findings: pit bulls are inflicting a higher prevalence of injuries than all other breeds of dogs. The majority of these studies (12 of 14) also report that pit bulls are inflicting the most severe injuries, requiring a higher number of operative interventions — up to five times higher — than other dog breeds. Four studies from this period — all from Level 1 trauma centers in the Denver metro area — show a mixture of results, possibly due to Denver and the surrounding metropolitan regions enforcing pit bull bans for the last 3 decades. (See a compilation of studies with citations by Lynn, Colleen, Level 1 Trauma Center Studies




Secondly, and the primary reason I call it discriminatory, is that we're given literally zero background information regarding any of those deaths or the circumstances leading up to them, let alone about the dogs - their background, their upbringing, their training or lack thereof; all we're given is that they were "pit bulls."
That is for you to provide... but I assume that the excuses that you might find for Pit Bulls that kill people would apply to humans that kill children?

The poor man had a tough upbringing and was never taught right from wrong, etc, so he is innocent of raping and killing the child? Like that?
So to label an entire breed as you've done, on the basis of 22 deaths annually among a population of 330 million is, you have to admit, a tad unfair.
I haven't labeled anything... I have shown how dangerous they are.
 
I had a pit bull, actually two, as next door neighbors. One was very friendly, and became best buddies with my lab-coyote cross. One day, it got into a fight with its pit bull "roomie" and killed it. The most important difference between a pit and most dogs is: With the average dog, if you provoke it sufficiently, it will give you a chomp, and then back off and give you a look like "let that be a warning to you". With a pit, the initial chomp will be followed by chomp-chomp-chomp. This trait has been bred into them by the savages who like to watch dogs fight to the death. The dogs didn't ask for this, and aren't morally responsible for the results. However these results are forseeable, and likely. At the very least, all pits should be spayed or neutered. Animal shelters should euthanize those turned in, as they have no way to determine background, breeding, and past behavior; and the risks to the public are too great.

I feel like I live in a country that would be no less ridiculous if many people raised brown bears from cubs as household pets. And then after other household animals are killed and family members are mauled to death, a contingent of the population comes out to defend the practice of keeping brown bears as pets, and that deaths and maulings are simply the result of bad owners, and no focus is given to the strength and ferocious instincts of the brown bear.
 
I feel like I live in a country that would be no less ridiculous if many people raised brown bears from cubs as household pets. And then after other household animals are killed and family members are mauled to death, a contingent of the population comes out to defend the practice of keeping brown bears as pets, and that deaths and maulings are simply the result of bad owners, and no focus is given to the strength and ferocious instincts of the brown bear.
What if purebred brown bears were pretty rare, and most were varying degrees of crossbred with raccoons and badgers and muskrats? If there's a law passed banning brown bears as pets, what degree of crossbreeding do I have to demonstrate to keep my pet?
 
Every person who adopts a pit that fatally attacks someone always says they trained their Pibbie and he was the sweetest ever, he watched the kids, licked people, volunteered at the soup kitchen. Then snaps and kills someon
You are one of the people that weren't concerned about covid right because the statistical likelihood of dying of covid was so slim right?

But you are exponentially more likely to die of Covid then a dog bite.

In 2022, 267,000 Americans died of Covid and 28 Americans died from a dog bite.
 
You are one of the people that weren't concerned about covid right because the statistical likelihood of dying of covid was so slim right?

But you are exponentially more likely to die of Covid then a dog bite.

In 2022, 267,000 Americans died of Covid and 28 Americans died from a dog bite.
Bravo.
A year or so in COVID killed more Americans than WW2. But it wasn't no biggie.
 
Homeowners Insurance will tell you how it's handled.


What Are The Dog Breeds Labeled as High-Risk or Uninsurable by Homeowners Insurance Company?​

The following dog breeds are labeled as high-risk or uninsurable:

  • Pit bulls
  • Staffordshire terrier
  • Bull terrier
  • Wolf hybrids
  • Akitas
  • Chow-chows
  • Dobermans
  • English bulldogs
  • Rottweilers
  • German shepherds
  • Siberian huskies
  • Alaskan malamutes
  • Presa canarios
  • Great danes
  • Boxers
  • Saint bernards
  • Mastiffs

How Can Pitbulls Affect Your Home Insurance?

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The insurance companies are looking for reasons to not insure you.

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