So if they are guilty in the eyes of the, law then Bush and his cabinet are also

[Eric7216]

Ya the party line, not a clue knowing nothing about it and waterboarding as per the party line is not Torture, even if we have signed treaties saying that it is torture, and that we Are part of the Geneva convention. Every Court up to and including the supreme court has said that these detainees that we have In Cuba and many other torture capitals in the world. Are protected and can't be tortured and defined water boarding as torture , The country has the courts have the world has said that Waterboarding is torture. Doesn't end there anyway we had them tortured to death in other places that we took them to. every type of torture was done by our CIA in these torture capitals. Every type. Your so pitiful and your party is pitiful.
My favorite is one of the conservative talk show hosts out east said that it wasn't torture and let some seals waterboard him, he lasted seconds and told everyone that he was wrong and that it was torture without a doubt., Seals have it done to them in training and say straight out that it is torture.

You sound like a partisan hack without any rational thinking. Not sure what party affiliation has to do with a discussion of the legal status of waterboarding.

But, OK, let's be partisan. Do you really consider the ethnic cleansing done by Clinton in Serbia and the use of WMD in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and so many other places by Obama NOT to be war crimes?????? Clinton, under the ironic attempt to stop ethnic cleansing in Serbia, launched an aerial bombing campaign that killed c. 8,000 Serbian civilian whose only crime was living in Serbia areas and being Serbian. What is the definition of ethnic cleansing? Clinton also "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade as well as areas in Sofia (!!!!!) Bulgaria. Talk about an incompetent war criminal.
And then there is Obama, famous for his use of WMD on areas in Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, and so many other places. He seems to enjoy drone attacks on suspects (SUSPECTS!!!!!) and all the people that happen to be near him. And you are worried about water boarding. Accuse GWB of the same crimes as Obama, with the bombings (of course, Obama has done much more). BTW, the term WMD was first used in reference to the fascist bombing of Guernica, Spain. And is Obama's (and Clinton's) preferred method of killing people.

And you are worried about a few people being water boarded. Astonishing!!!!

 

[jbander]

You sound like a partisan hack without any rational thinking. Not sure what party affiliation has to do with a discussion of the legal status of waterboarding.

But, OK, let's be partisan. Do you really consider the ethnic cleansing done by Clinton in Serbia and the use of WMD in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and so many other places by Obama NOT to be war crimes?????? Clinton, under the ironic attempt to stop ethnic cleansing in Serbia, launched an aerial bombing campaign that killed c. 8,000 Serbian civilian whose only crime was living in Serbia areas and being Serbian. What is the definition of ethnic cleansing? Clinton also "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade as well as areas in Sofia (!!!!!) Bulgaria. Talk about an incompetent war criminal.
And then there is Obama, famous for his use of WMD on areas in Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, and so many other places. He seems to enjoy drone attacks on suspects (SUSPECTS!!!!!) and all the people that happen to be near him. And you are worried about water boarding. Accuse GWB of the same crimes as Obama, with the bombings (of course, Obama has done much more). BTW, the term WMD was first used in reference to the fascist bombing of Guernica, Spain. And is Obama's (and Clinton's) preferred method of killing people.

And you are worried about a few people being water boarded. Astonishing!!!!

This guy is out there. The only weapons of mass destruction that this country has had anything to do with is the WMD Reagan gave Saddam . How do you respond to a person who's facts are so wacky and unreal as this.

 

[jbander]

Ah, but there's no WMDs, remember?

Desert Storm was 1990-1991: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

You know that there are only the weak minded, even from your party where they reign supreme ,that thinks that there was WMD as a real reason for Bush to go to war. with Saddam. Why would Cheney and Bush say on tape years after the war that there was no WMD, don't you get it. That's kind of thick headed don't you think???? Bush Lied about all of it , there was zero weapons of mass destruction , there was zero nuclear bomb program and there were zero terrorist.

 

[Tigerace117]

You know that there are only the weak minded, even from your party where they reign supreme ,that thinks that there was WMD as a real reason for Bush to go to war. with Saddam. Why would Cheney and Bush say on tape years after the war that there was no WMD, don't you get it. That's kind of thick headed don't you think???? Bush Lied about all of it , there was zero weapons of mass destruction , there was zero nuclear bomb program and there were zero terrorist.

Seeing as you barely speak English and refuse to cite your sources, I don't know why I'm bothering, but.....

Saddam was friendly with various terrorists groups. That's a fact. He had connections with them going as far back as the Iran Iraq War.

Simply saying "no" every time evidence which goes against your opinion is shown is pretty weak minded.

 

[jbander]

Seeing as you barely speak English and refuse to cite your sources, I don't know why I'm bothering, but.....

Saddam was friendly with various terrorists groups. That's a fact. He had connections with them going as far back as the Iran Iraq War.

Simply saying "no" every time evidence which goes against your opinion is shown is pretty weak minded.

There is only one reference that counts and that is if they existed for Bush the baby killer to start the liars war. I don't give a **** about 20 years before or 10 years before there is only one issue whether or not it being used as a reason to go to war was valid or not and that answer is not in any way, it was a lie.,Just like the other two reasons.

 

[Eric7216]

This guy is out there. The only weapons of mass destruction that this country has had anything to do with is the WMD Reagan gave Saddam . How do you respond to a person who's facts are so wacky and unreal as this.

The first use of the term "weapon of mass destruction" on record is by Cosmo Gordon Lang, Archbishop of Canterbury, in 1937 in reference to the aerial bombardment of Guernica, Spain:


Who can think at this present time without a sickening of the heart of the appalling slaughter, the suffering, the manifold misery brought by war to Spain and to China? Who can think without horror of what another widespread war would mean, waged as it would be with all the new weapons of mass destruction?[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction

Winners make the rules. Since the US engages in so much aerial bombardment of civilian areas, they have tried to change the definition of WMD. But aerial bombardment is a WMD.

 

[Eric7216]

There is only one reference that counts and that is if they existed for Bush the baby killer to start the liars war. I don't give a **** about 20 years before or 10 years before there is only one issue whether or not it being used as a reason to go to war was valid or not and that answer is not in any way, it was a lie.,Just like the other two reasons.

What about the killings done by Clinton and Obama?

 

[Fledermaus]

Bush lied to get us into a war then tortured captives against treaties that this country signed , that makes him a war criminal in both examples.

If Bush lied then so did many, many Democrats....

Having bad information and running with it does not make a lie.

 

[Fledermaus]

Not getting it, are you? When Bush said WMD's, he meant, and wanted people to hear, "Nukes."

In other words...

He didn't say nukes.

 

[Fledermaus]

What "WMDs" do you claim Reagan gave Iraq?

 

[Fledermaus]

There is only one reference that counts and that is if they existed for Bush the baby killer to start the liars war. I don't give a **** about 20 years before or 10 years before there is only one issue whether or not it being used as a reason to go to war was valid or not and that answer is not in any way, it was a lie.,Just like the other two reasons.

Interesting....

Bush... A baby killer now.

How did he kill them? Bayonet? Gunshots?

How many was it?

 

[Excon]

WMD's were a euphemism for "nuclear weapons." Everyone of any intelligence knows it.

A lame comment.
No, it was not a euphemism, especially given the knowledge that he had used chemical weapons on his own people.

Except, when Bush used "WMD's" he was referring to nukes. I understand your desire to revise history, but the fact is, Bush LIED.

You simply do not know what you are talking about.
Prove that is only what he was referring to. I am sure you can't, especially considering the fact that Saddam had used chemical weapons on his own people.
As for lying? Wrong.

As for Bush and Cheney, they are both convicted war criminals.

You simply do not know what you are talking about.
No court of law has ever tried, let alone convicted them.

 

[Excon]

Check into his planned trip to Switzerland that got dumped when switzerland not wanting trouble told him that there were people there who were charging him with war crimes and Geneva's world court did accept those charges, of course they would he is a war criminal. I hope and believe his cabinet is also.

Oy Vey!
You choose to believe what you choose to believe.

Bush had been due to deliver a speech at a dinner in Geneva organised by the United Israel Appeal, a US-based organisation that helps Jews move to Israel. Robert Equey, the organisation's lawyer, was quoted by the Swiss daily Tribune de Genève at the weekend saying that the decision to abandon the speech was because of concern that the protests might lead to violence, not fear of an arrest warrant.

[...]

George Bush calls off trip to Switzerland ​

Here is a liberal source for you to read.

Are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney unable to visit Europe due to threat of arrest?​

Rated false.

... and Geneva's world court did accept those charges,

Hilarious.
No.
There was no arrest warrant to fear.

... were tried in absentia in Malaysia...

Just more hilarity.
A Tribunal conducted by a private organization that has no jurisdiction and no legal authority is just a make believe court.
Duh!

Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission | Legitimacy of the tribunal​

There is a organized group out there that will bring charges to any of these war criminals, in any country that comes under the governance of the world court. That's how Switzerland charges were filed, they were filed by this group. I'm going to send them some money to help them achieve their goal. I would except the death penalty but would also except jail sentence if that's all they come up with. I also like the idea that these slime people know they are taking a chance by even leaving this country. The only way they can travel now is if a country they want to go to will protect these criminals.

Yes, Please send them money in a wasted effort that will go nowhere.

This means little but I do enjoy the thought "Headlines from Addictinginfo.org and Liberalamerica.org both claim that Germany is filing war crimes charges again former president George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and members of the CIA for their part in the administration’s torture program"

And if you had bothered to look into it you would have found that their is no substance to the claim nor does a human rights organization have the "ability to indict anybody for war crimes".

Is Germany Filing War Crimes Charges Against George Bush And Dick Cheney?​

Bush lied to get us into a war then tortured captives against treaties that this country signed , that makes him a war criminal in both examples.

Wrong.

 

[Tigerace117]

There is only one reference that counts and that is if they existed for Bush the baby killer to start the liars war. I don't give a **** about 20 years before or 10 years before there is only one issue whether or not it being used as a reason to go to war was valid or not and that answer is not in any way, it was a lie.,Just like the other two reasons.

You really are obsessed with this delusion that Bush is a baby killer. It almost is starting to look like a parody.

The scary thing is you don't even understand how stupid your own reasoning is.

 

[jbander]

If Bush lied then so did many, many Democrats....

Having bad information and running with it does not make a lie.

But being told otherwise by literally every person that would know anything about it would make it a lie, you want to think this slime bag is a good person , fine but your wrong he murdered 5000 American heroes and him and Cheney made a fortune out of the war./ You want to play this ridiculous game, look up "curve ball" he was the insider that Bush had ,that told him all this inside information that gave Bush the lying peace of **** the excuse to send people out to get murdered.

 

[jbander]

You really are obsessed with this delusion that Bush is a baby killer. It almost is starting to look like a parody.

The scary thing is you don't even understand how stupid your own reasoning is.

This from a blind person who can't see the truth through the Fog of groveling at the feet of the wealthy. Your all puppets and the worse thing that could happen to this country, the only thing you offer is the destruction of this country and its values .

 

[jbander]

Oy Vey!
You choose to believe what you choose to believe.

Bush had been due to deliver a speech at a dinner in Geneva organised by the United Israel Appeal, a US-based organisation that helps Jews move to Israel. Robert Equey, the organisation's lawyer, was quoted by the Swiss daily Tribune de Genève at the weekend saying that the decision to abandon the speech was because of concern that the protests might lead to violence, not fear of an arrest warrant.

[...]

George Bush calls off trip to Switzerland ​

Here is a liberal source for you to read.

Are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney unable to visit Europe due to threat of arrest?​

Rated false.


Hilarious.
No.
There was no arrest warrant to fear.



Just more hilarity.
A Tribunal conducted by a private organization that has no jurisdiction and no legal authority is just a make believe court.
Duh!

Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission | Legitimacy of the tribunal​

Yes, Please send them money in a wasted effort that will go nowhere.




And if you had bothered to look into it you would have found that their is no substance to the claim nor does a human rights organization have the "ability to indict anybody for war crimes".

Is Germany Filing War Crimes Charges Against George Bush And Dick Cheney?​

Wrong.

Have you looked up Curve Ball yet. I want to understand the truth and see how stupid you are, this would be a good place to start, Mindless puppet , Fox News Christian, Rush fatty mind.

 

[Tigerace117]

This from a blind person who can't see the truth through the Fog of groveling at the feet of the wealthy. Your all puppets and the worse thing that could happen to this country, the only thing you offer is the destruction of this country and its values .

Uh huh. Sure:roll:

The only thing you offer, clearly, is rambling arrogance, idiocy and the inability to provide links.

 

[jbander]

Bush and his Cabinet will have multiple constitutional and international anti torture organizations waiting for him to come into any Country that has signed the Geneva Convention, if and when He crosses their borders . He has already admitted to tortures that are considered tortures by the whole world and the rulings of the Geneva convention. So you blind right wing grovelers aren't going to be able to protect these monsters if they leave.

 

[jbander]

Uh huh. Sure:roll:

The only thing you offer, clearly, is rambling arrogance, idiocy and the inability to provide links.

I expect nothing less from the hate party, the blind hate party. International Terrorist are half as dangerous to this country then the hate party is now in 2016. I love it watching this party scratching their heads over Trump and Cruz. While everyone else has figured it out. That the candidate with the most hateful, bigoted, chauvinistic speeches will be the winner , The why is simple when you realize that the regressive party is the hate party, they have deteriorated to that level. What have they been saying about the Tea Party and the Trump/Cruz ugliness. That its simply because that there is so much unrest, garbage , they are all speaking the language of hate and it is being bought by the blind hateful party.

 

[Jack Hays]

A suit against two CIA contractors, James Mitchell and John “Bruce” Jessen, In the 525-page summary of the still-unreleased 6,000-page Senate torture report, these psychologists were identified by their pseudonyms: Grayson Swigert and Hammond Dunbar. The pair were not only the architects of the interrogation methods, but also operated and assessed them. DOJ lawyers approved these torture techniques. The CIA paid the men and their company tens of millions of dollars. The suit filed against them has got the go ahead by the court, the CIA argument to stop this suit was for the need government secrecy on this because parts of it are still being used. If this suit is decided against these two proud American torturers , then I hope that the suit will continue and charge Bush and his cabinet also.
Around the world many countries say that Bush and his cabinet are war criminals. Which is automatic because we have signed treaty's saying we won't torture and we know that a treaty becomes law automatically as soon as it is signed by the countries that are involved. So I see that if these people are found guilty in a American court. then the letter of the law says that Bush and his hacks are guilty also.

No treaty acquires the force of law in the US until it is ratified by the Senate.

 

[Fledermaus]

But being told otherwise by literally every person that would know anything about it would make it a lie, you want to think this slime bag is a good person , fine but your wrong he murdered 5000 American heroes and him and Cheney made a fortune out of the war./ You want to play this ridiculous game, look up "curve ball" he was the insider that Bush had ,that told him all this inside information that gave Bush the lying peace of **** the excuse to send people out to get murdered.

Oh, look... More claims....

Who did he murder? Was it with pistols, rifles or knives? Poison?

And Cheney made a fortune? From the company his divested from?

Tell you what... Try making a statement without the ridiculous hyperbolic prattle. Can uou do that?

 

[Fledermaus]

This from a blind person who can't see the truth through the Fog of groveling at the feet of the wealthy. Your all puppets and the worse thing that could happen to this country, the only thing you offer is the destruction of this country and its values .

Asking you to back up your claims leads to the destruction of this country and its values?

Who knew?

 

[jbander]

No treaty acquires the force of law in the US until it is ratified by the Senate.

Nope your wrong, it can be done by just the signature of the president. It becomes law as soon as it is signed. Whether it's through the Senate or just the president.

 

[jbander]

Oh, look... More claims....

Who did he murder? Was it with pistols, rifles or knives? Poison?

And Cheney made a fortune? From the company his divested from?

Tell you what... Try making a statement without the ridiculous hyperbolic prattle. Can uou do that?

You better look a little closer into Cheney and your a murderer whether you do it yourself or sent someone to do it. Or sent someone that you know was going to get killed. Yup 5000 of them.