So if they are guilty in the eyes of the, law then Bush and his cabinet are also

[Jack Hays]

Nope your wrong, it can be done by just the signature of the president. It becomes law as soon as it is signed. Whether it's through the Senate or just the president.

Not exactly.

[h=3]Treaty Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause


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Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, includes the Treaty Clause, ... In general, arms control agreements are often ratified by the treaty ...

 

[Tigerace117]

I expect nothing less from the hate party, the blind hate party. International Terrorist are half as dangerous to this country then the hate party is now in 2016. I love it watching this party scratching their heads over Trump and Cruz. While everyone else has figured it out. That the candidate with the most hateful, bigoted, chauvinistic speeches will be the winner , The why is simple when you realize that the regressive party is the hate party, they have deteriorated to that level. What have they been saying about the Tea Party and the Trump/Cruz ugliness. That its simply because that there is so much unrest, garbage , they are all speaking the language of hate and it is being bought by the blind hateful party.

:roll:

Do you not see the irony here?

You accuse me off "blind hate" yet you are obsessed with your hatred of Bush and the Republican Party. To the point of calling them more dangerous then terrorists. That's ridiculous. It's beyond ridiculous.

 

[Tigerace117]

Asking you to back up your claims leads to the destruction of this country and its values?

Who knew?

He did, apparently. After all, we all know "sources" and "citing them" are code words for "evul Republicans"

 

[Jack Hays]

A suit against two CIA contractors, James Mitchell and John “Bruce” Jessen, In the 525-page summary of the still-unreleased 6,000-page Senate torture report, these psychologists were identified by their pseudonyms: Grayson Swigert and Hammond Dunbar. The pair were not only the architects of the interrogation methods, but also operated and assessed them. DOJ lawyers approved these torture techniques. The CIA paid the men and their company tens of millions of dollars. The suit filed against them has got the go ahead by the court, the CIA argument to stop this suit was for the need government secrecy on this because parts of it are still being used. If this suit is decided against these two proud American torturers , then I hope that the suit will continue and charge Bush and his cabinet also.
Around the world many countries say that Bush and his cabinet are war criminals. Which is automatic because we have signed treaty's saying we won't torture and we know that a treaty becomes law automatically as soon as it is signed by the countries that are involved. So I see that if these people are found guilty in a American court. then the letter of the law says that Bush and his hacks are guilty also.

Since it's a civil case there are no criminal charges against anyone.

 

[Fledermaus]

You better look a little closer into Cheney and your a murderer whether you do it yourself or sent someone to do it. Or sent someone that you know was going to get killed. Yup 5000 of them.

More prattle.... No support.

Who did Bush murder? The word has a very real meaning....

And Cheney made a fortune? From the company his divested from?


Support or retract.

 

[Fledermaus]

:roll:

Do you not see the irony here?

You accuse me off "blind hate" yet you are obsessed with your hatred of Bush and the Republican Party. To the point of calling them more dangerous then terrorists. That's ridiculous. It's beyond ridiculous.

Don't forget murderers and war profiteers...

 

[Excon]

Have you looked up Curve Ball yet. I want to understand the truth and see how stupid you are, this would be a good place to start, Mindless puppet , Fox News Christian, Rush fatty mind.

Curve Ball has absolutely nothing to do with what I said and what you quoted.

You actually failed to refute what was presented and instead deflected with the above bs.

 

[jbander]

Curve Ball has absolutely nothing to do with what I said and what you quoted.

You actually failed to refute what was presented and instead deflected with the above bs.

Did you miss the title of this thread, why would you think I have to respond to anything you say in the first place. I'm just throwing you poor thing a bone.

 

[jbander]

More prattle.... No support.

Who did Bush murder? The word has a very real meaning....

And Cheney made a fortune? From the company his divested from?


Support or retract.

Support or retract , now that is funny. Strange world you live in buddy.

 

[jbander]

One of the favorite topics is that Cheneys income from his investment would go to non profits./
But none of this is included because this was his payday for leaving Halliburton to become Vice baby killer. He turned almost all of it into cash. it into cash. "We looked at a personal financial disclosure form that Cheney signed on Sept. 1, 2000. This is the filing made once someone joins a national presidential ticket. It represents the candidate's holdings and income as of August. In the portion addressing Cheney's compensation from Halliburtion, the file lists the following categories and dollar amounts as of that date:

• Salary/bonus (gross): $4,721, 947
• Deferred salary: $1,042, 441
• Senior executive deferred compensation contributions: $654,804

Meanwhile, on May 15, 2001, Cheney also signed a second disclosure form that is supposed to update the August 2000 filing so that it covers the full year. In this filing, Cheney disclosed the following Halliburton income:

• Salary/bonus (gross): $821,896
• Elective deferred salary: $403,166
• Stock equivalent unit bonus: $396,213
• Senior executive deferred compensation contributions: $53,692
• Elective deferred salary lump sum payout: $1,140,160
• Restricted stock imputed income: $7,560,000
• Nonqualified stock option income: $21,964,254
• Senior executive deferred compensation payout: $2,797,128"

 

[Excon]

Did you miss the title of this thread, why would you think I have to respond to anything you say in the first place. I'm just throwing you poor thing a bone.

Still deflecting with nonsense I see. Figures.
Try addressing what was provided.
Oh wait, you can't. That must be why you keep deflecting.

And as everyone can see, your personal comment of "you poor thing", only applies to you.

 

[Fledermaus]

One of the favorite topics is that Cheneys income from his investment would go to non profits./
But none of this is included because this was his payday for leaving Halliburton to become Vice baby killer. He turned almost all of it into cash. it into cash. "We looked at a personal financial disclosure form that Cheney signed on Sept. 1, 2000. This is the filing made once someone joins a national presidential ticket. It represents the candidate's holdings and income as of August. In the portion addressing Cheney's compensation from Halliburtion, the file lists the following categories and dollar amounts as of that date:

• Salary/bonus (gross): $4,721, 947
• Deferred salary: $1,042, 441
• Senior executive deferred compensation contributions: $654,804

Meanwhile, on May 15, 2001, Cheney also signed a second disclosure form that is supposed to update the August 2000 filing so that it covers the full year. In this filing, Cheney disclosed the following Halliburton income:

• Salary/bonus (gross): $821,896
• Elective deferred salary: $403,166
• Stock equivalent unit bonus: $396,213
• Senior executive deferred compensation contributions: $53,692
• Elective deferred salary lump sum payout: $1,140,160
• Restricted stock imputed income: $7,560,000
• Nonqualified stock option income: $21,964,254
• Senior executive deferred compensation payout: $2,797,128"

And NONE of that supports your claim "Cheney made a fortune out of the war"

All of that was PRIOR TO TAKING OFFICE and YEARS BEFORE THE IRAQ INVASION....

Do you not understand "divest"?

 

[jbander]

And NONE of that supports your claim "Cheney made a fortune out of the war"

All of that was PRIOR TO TAKING OFFICE and YEARS BEFORE THE IRAQ INVASION....

Do you not understand "divest"?

You have to be kidding, you support this slug why, just because he is a regressive like you. Vice President Dick Cheney’s stock options in Halliburton rose from $241,498 in 2004 to over $8 million in 2005, an increase of more than 3,000 percent, as Halliburton continues to rake in billions of dollars from no-bid/no-audit government contracts. According to the Vice President’s Federal Financial Disclosure forms, he holds the following Halliburton stock options:

100,000 shares at $54.5000 (vested), expire December 3, 2007
33,333 shares at $28.1250 (vested), expire December 2, 2008
300,000 shares at $39.5000 (vested), expire December 2, 2009
2003 A report by the Congressional Research Service undermines Vice President Dick Cheney's denial of a continuing relationship with Halliburton Co., the energy company he once led, Sen. Frank Lautenberg said Thursday.

The report says a public official's unexercised stock options and deferred salary fall within the definition of "retained ties" to his former company.
2009=Among the many dubious provisions in the 2005 energy bill was one dubbed the Halliburton loophole, which was inserted at the behest of — you guessed it — then-Vice President Dick Cheney, a former chief executive of Halliburton.

It stripped the Environmental Protection Agency of its authority to regulate a drilling process called hydraulic fracturing. Invented by Halliburton in the 1940s, it involves injecting a mixture of water, sand and chemicals, some of them toxic, into underground rock formations to blast them open and release natural gas.
He has all the stocks and all the stock options and with him handing non bid contracts to Halliburton to the tune of 10 billion or more dollars.' So his stocks and stock options had a value when he became vice baby killer , his vesting ends the day he stopped being the vice baby killer.You own him like you own Trump and Cruz, they are the head of your party of scum.You deserve them. Only a blind idiot will come to the conclusion that Cheney made no money of the war. Bush also made a fortune off of the war.

 

[apdst]

A suit against two CIA contractors, James Mitchell and John “Bruce” Jessen, In the 525-page summary of the still-unreleased 6,000-page Senate torture report, these psychologists were identified by their pseudonyms: Grayson Swigert and Hammond Dunbar. The pair were not only the architects of the interrogation methods, but also operated and assessed them. DOJ lawyers approved these torture techniques. The CIA paid the men and their company tens of millions of dollars. The suit filed against them has got the go ahead by the court, the CIA argument to stop this suit was for the need government secrecy on this because parts of it are still being used. If this suit is decided against these two proud American torturers , then I hope that the suit will continue and charge Bush and his cabinet also.
Around the world many countries say that Bush and his cabinet are war criminals. Which is automatic because we have signed treaty's saying we won't torture and we know that a treaty becomes law automatically as soon as it is signed by the countries that are involved. So I see that if these people are found guilty in a American court. then the letter of the law says that Bush and his hacks are guilty also.

We signed treaties agreeing not to torture legal combatants. Terrorists are illegal combatants. They don't rate any kind of protected status under international law.

 

[Fledermaus]

You have to be kidding, you support this slug why, just because he is a regressive like you. Vice President Dick Cheney’s stock options in Halliburton rose from $241,498 in 2004 to over $8 million in 2005, an increase of more than 3,000 percent, as Halliburton continues to rake in billions of dollars from no-bid/no-audit government contracts. According to the Vice President’s Federal Financial Disclosure forms, he holds the following Halliburton stock options:

100,000 shares at $54.5000 (vested), expire December 3, 2007
33,333 shares at $28.1250 (vested), expire December 2, 2008
300,000 shares at $39.5000 (vested), expire December 2, 2009
2003 A report by the Congressional Research Service undermines Vice President Dick Cheney's denial of a continuing relationship with Halliburton Co., the energy company he once led, Sen. Frank Lautenberg said Thursday.

The report says a public official's unexercised stock options and deferred salary fall within the definition of "retained ties" to his former company.
2009=Among the many dubious provisions in the 2005 energy bill was one dubbed the Halliburton loophole, which was inserted at the behest of — you guessed it — then-Vice President Dick Cheney, a former chief executive of Halliburton.

It stripped the Environmental Protection Agency of its authority to regulate a drilling process called hydraulic fracturing. Invented by Halliburton in the 1940s, it involves injecting a mixture of water, sand and chemicals, some of them toxic, into underground rock formations to blast them open and release natural gas.
He has all the stocks and all the stock options and with him handing non bid contracts to Halliburton to the tune of 10 billion or more dollars.' So his stocks and stock options had a value when he became vice baby killer , his vesting ends the day he stopped being the vice baby killer.You own him like you own Trump and Cruz, they are the head of your party of scum.You deserve them. Only a blind idiot will come to the conclusion that Cheney made no money of the war. Bush also made a fortune off of the war.

Wow....

All that hatred... And hyperbole... And libel.... And nonsense....

I notice a part you left out (no wonder you didn't link to the article)

Democrats pointed out that Cheney receives deferred compensation from Halliburton under an arrangement he made in 1998, and also retains stock options. He has pledged to give after-tax proceeds of the stock options to charity.

So... The Reagan WMDs.... Any word on those?

 

[SocialD]

All countries have different perimeters that have to be met for it to be a signed treaty, ours includes a 2/3 majority in the senate , it is signed after the vote. So if it is signed it is after the vote"[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...". None of this makes ant difference, We signed and ratified the Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture (OPCAT in 92 .

here are the OPCAT signatories - the USA has not signed or ratified. 92 was when an committee was formed.. no one actually signed it until 2003.
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-9-b&chapter=4&lang=en

 

[Fledermaus]

here are the OPCAT signatories - the USA has not signed or ratified. 92 was when an committee was formed.. no one actually signed it until 2003.
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-9-b&chapter=4&lang=en

Shhhhhhhhhhh

Don't confuse him with facts.

 

[jbander]

You just don't know how ridiculous it looks , trying somehow to justify torture or somehow actually thinking somehow that torture is legal. Like if you somehow can make any of those cases, that it is somehow becomes morally acceptable. That's why so many of our country see you as being the hate party. Trust me no one will believe that, if they have any conscience at all. Obviously something lacking in Reagan's Morel majority. Its pitiful

 

[jbander]

"The U.S. really has bound itself to a treaty called the Convention Against Torture, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1988 and ratified by the U.S. Senate in 1994. When there are credible allegations that government officials have participated or been complicit in torture, that Convention really does compel all signatories -- in language as clear as can be devised -- to "submit the case to its competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution" Reagan himself , the man that gave Sadam All types of Chemical weapons of mass destruction that we started a war over (even thought it was just a lie)

 

[jbander]

How about our laws ----"The War Crimes Act punishes any grave breach of the Geneva Conventions, as well as any violation of Common Article 3. That includes torture, willfully causing greatsuffering or serious injury to body or health, and inhuman, humiliating or degrading treatment.

The Torture Statute provides for life in prison, or even the death penalty if the victimdies, for anyone who commits, attempts, or conspires to commit torture outside theUnited States."

 

[jbander]

Is there any way to legally get around torturing in this country ---------"In Filartiga v. Peña-Irala, the Second Circuit declared the prohibition against torture is universal, obligatory, specific and definable. Since then, every U.S. circuit court has reaffirmed that torture violates universal and customary international law. In the Paquete Habana, the Supreme Court held that customary international law is part of U.S. law."

 

[jbander]

How about our miltary --------------------------"The U.S. Army Field Manual’s provisions governing intelligence interrogations prohibit the “use of force, mental torture, threats, insults, or exposure to unpleasant and inhumanetreatment of any kind.” Brainwashing, mental torture, or any other form of mental coercion, including the use of drugs, are also prohibited. Military personnel who mistreat prisoners can be prosecuted by court-martial underprovisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. These include conspiracy, cruelty andmaltreatment, murder, manslaughter, maiming, sodomy, and assault."

 

[jbander]

Why did these scum bags need this then ?????????-_____---------"Lawyers in the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel wrote memos at the request of high-ranking government officials in order to insulate them from future prosecution for subjecting detainees to torture. In memos dated August 1, 2002 and March 18, 2003, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo (Jay Bybee, now a federal judge, signed the 2002 memo), advised the Bush administration that the Department of Justice would not enforce the U.S. criminal laws against torture, assault, maiming and stalking, in the detention and interrogation of enemy combatants."

 

[jbander]

You people are pitiful and quite sickening , you see nothing wrong with torture, in fact it seems to me that you actually like the idea. Proud, Good , flag waving ,conservative, patriotic, christian Americans. better known as the scum party.

 

[jbander]

Wow....

All that hatred... And hyperbole... And libel.... And nonsense....

I notice a part you left out (no wonder you didn't link to the article)

Democrats pointed out that Cheney receives deferred compensation from Halliburton under an arrangement he made in 1998, and also retains stock options. He has pledged to give after-tax proceeds of the stock options to charity.

So... The Reagan WMDs.... Any word on those?

That would be while he was the vice baby killer. and since that time , the options and stocks have gone up thousands of percentage point , why 10 billion in non bid contracts, do you think. He is in no way giving it away since he stepped down from his vice baby killer position. Yuk yuk! Pitiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!