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Gee, what an objective thread title, clearly looking for honest discussion. :roll:
If you're asking if we should just start tossing pregnant women in jail, absolutely not. What if she is early on and didn't even know she was pregnant? What if she is mentally ill?
Gee, what an objective thread title, clearly looking for honest discussion. :roll:
If you're asking if we should just start tossing pregnant women in jail, absolutely not. What if she is early on and didn't even know she was pregnant? What if she is mentally ill?
This is a very slippery slope, and we have already seen cases of the descent down that slide, with crap like this being used to throw women in jail. A psychotic, mentally ill woman miscarrying after a suicide attempt and being charged with something insane a couple years ago comes to mind.
To employ laws like that is to say that the woman's body belongs to that state. Since you are clearly in support of this, and you also state your lean is "libertarian," I have no idea how you reconcile such an extreme degree of totalitarian hypocrisy in your own mind.
Outreach, education, and health care is a far better way to tackle this problem.
I should have added a third option: "This question makes me too uncomfortable to answer."
Unless you have an answer to the thread question?
S&M basically echoed my thoughts on the subject.
Obviously, but like her, you too are avoiding the simple question. Either women should be free to do this to their fetuses, or they shouldn't be.
No, it's not that simple of a question.
You're launching way ahead here. What I'm asking is what I asked: should women be free to do this to their fetuses?
Yes, how do you reconcile the hypocrisy of your libertarian lean and advocating for state control over women's bodies?
It really is a simple question. As a society we should interfere with the permanent damage some women do to their fetuses (and if so I ask how), or the alternative position (by default) is that there should not be an intervention and that women should be free to permanently damage their fetuses.
I wish I could modify the poll to include "too uncomfortable to respond."
Because your question is a false dichotomy that's based on an appeal to emotion fallacy, you left little doubt what your opinion is.I have advocated for nothing in this thread. I asked a question.
You're the third person who has avoided the question altogether, and the second who has put words in my mouth and told me what my position was so that you'd have something to argue against without actually responding to the question.
A woman's liberties should never be fewer merely because she is pregnant. Any right she possesses, any liberty, and choices she can make, must be exactly the same, whether she is pregnant or not. Anything else is discrimination against her merely on account of her sex. There is no escaping this situation, and there is no way to justify imposing extra legal duties upon a woman merely for becoming pregnant.
It really is a simple question. As a society we should interfere with the permanent damage some women do to their fetuses (and if so I ask how), or the alternative position (by default) is that there should not be an intervention and that women should be free to permanently damage their fetuses.
I wish I could modify the poll to include "too uncomfortable to respond."
Yes, how do you reconcile the hypocrisy of your libertarian lean and advocating for state control over women's bodies?
To employ laws like that is to say that the woman's body belongs to that state. Since you are clearly in support of this, and you also state your lean is "libertarian," I have no idea how you reconcile such an extreme degree of totalitarian hypocrisy in your own mind.
A woman's liberties should never be fewer merely because she is pregnant. Any right she possesses, any liberty, and choices she can make, must be exactly the same, whether she is pregnant or not. Anything else is discrimination against her merely on account of her sex. There is no escaping this situation, and there is no way to justify imposing extra legal duties upon a woman merely for becoming pregnant.
You're launching way ahead here. What I'm asking is what I asked: should women be free to do this to their fetuses?
No, it's not that simple of a question.
A woman's liberties should never be fewer merely because she is pregnant. Any right she possesses, any liberty, and choices she can make, must be exactly the same, whether she is pregnant or not. Anything else is discrimination against her merely on account of her sex. There is no escaping this situation, and there is no way to justify imposing extra legal duties upon a woman merely for becoming pregnant.
You're launching way ahead here. What I'm asking is what I asked: should women be free to do this to their fetuses?
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