America in some ways feels like it is a place run by the Taliban.
Yup. For the American Taliban that dont know how to destroy parts of your history you dont like, here is a short video of how your intellectual`brethren handle such problems.
For those that oppose replacing the statues of traitors to the United States with actual heroes, do you think Germany should've kept all of its Hitler statues up? Or was there maybe a time they realized that's not who they should continue glorifying until the end of time?
America in some ways feels like it is a place run by the Taliban.
When people start trying to erase history, it's time to start erasing them. Erasing history doesn't change it, it only puts a political party in charge of it.
Yes, but not out of anger, rather because we simply no longer value these men and what they stood for. They were traitors to America and fought to enslave human beings. We should resculpt the faces into faces of people that are worth admiring and remembering.
For those that oppose replacing the statues of traitors to the United States with actual heroes, do you think Germany should've kept all of its Hitler statues up? Or was there maybe a time they realized that's not who they should continue glorifying until the end of time?
USA has statues and memorials to heroes and statues to traitors. The Stone Mountain eyesore is one of the latter. So we take our pick and your side chooses the traitors. We see the same kind of choosing up of sides in contemporary times. The Confederacy and the Taliban are the cultural and intellectual brethren of the Putin-Trump Fanboys. They're all hell bent to destroy the Constitution and to defend the indefensible. Nazi Germany failed trying it too hence the exploded swastika which generated the butt hurt Bamyan video.
Ditching statues and memorials to traitors does not erase history. It precludes the public worship of the traitors and their descendants who defend the indefensible, i.e., treason intertwined with their shameless and unrestrained racism.
In 1915 a mural of Jefferson Davis - President of the Confederacy, Robert E Lee - Confederate General, and Stonewall Jackson - also a Confederate general - was carved into Stone Mountain, Georgia. This is considered the birthplace of the Ku Klux Klan. Cross burning rituals were performed there from 1915 thru 1958, when the State of Georgia purchased/took the property. The site has been owned by the State of Georgia ever since. In 1965 it was opened as a state park and is the #1 tourist destination in the state.
Should the State Of Georgia continue to operate a state park that markets a memorial to the president and generals of the Confederacy, which fought a war to preserve slavery and establish a permanent slave nation?
[FONT="]STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (FOX 5 Atlanta) - Stone Mountain Park will be closed Saturday due to security concerns.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#353E47][FONT="]The Stone Mountain Memorial Association put out a statement late Friday announcing the closure. The release reads:[/FONT]
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[FONT="]A white supremacist group had petitioned to rally at the park this weekend due to the significance of the site and its proximity to the Super Bowl this weekend. Those permit requests were denied, but rumors lingered there would be a gathering despite those denials.
Police: Stone Mountain Park to close Saturday - Story | WAGA
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To emphasize YOUR moronic position...So just to make sure I'm following the retarded logic you two are spewing, any country that has ever removed any kind of statue, mural or carving is basically the Taliban.
Germans removing Hitler statues after the war? Taliban
Cambodia removing statues of Polpot? Taliban
Eastern European countries removing Stalin and Lenin statues from public squares? Taliban
There is no requirement to keep every statue and monument ever made in place until the end of time. All statues will be eventually replaced with new ones, and when it comes to traitors to the US that fought to enslave human beings, sooner is better than later.
Your comparisons to the Taliban are lazy and offensive to veterans that have actually faced the Taliban and seen their horrors first hand.
That was exactly my point.
Yes, only liberals are allowed to compare people to Nazis. Funny how you dont call out liberals who compare people on the right to Nazis and fascists, but someone on the right does it and you are right there to jump on it.
I dont 'sympathize with southern traitors' thats just you being dishonest. But then again, you are a liberal. It sort of comes with the territory.
So you claim that all structures and statutes honoring the Pharaohs in Egypt and any honoring any Roman Emperor should be destroyed? The slavery they used and how slaves were treated was even worse than in the USA. Why should they be glorified until the end of time?
That is a good question, RabidAlpaca. I personally do not think statues and monuments are necessarily glorifying. What was erected in vainglory can become over time a mark of shameful cruelty, exploitation and brutality which should never be forgotten. When people engage in iconoclasm to try to and erase historical markers, I find that it is an attempt to erase the reminders of the sins of the past. And I have no interest in letting people off the hook. I think people should always be reminded of the wickedness of their past.
I have argued on similar forums that these monuments remain as a mark of shame. And to your question about Nazi monuments, I think they should have remained in place to remind the world what Germany did until the end of time, and left like the Mark of Cain upon the brow of Germany. And I think the monuments to Stalin and Lenin should have remained in place in Russia for the same purposes.
In 1915 a mural of Jefferson Davis - President of the Confederacy, Robert E Lee - Confederate General, and Stonewall Jackson - also a Confederate general - was carved into Stone Mountain, Georgia. This is considered the birthplace of the Ku Klux Klan. Cross burning rituals were performed there from 1915 thru 1958, when the State of Georgia purchased/took the property. The site has been owned by the State of Georgia ever since. In 1965 it was opened as a state park and is the #1 tourist destination in the state.
Should the State Of Georgia continue to operate a state park that markets a memorial to the president and generals of the Confederacy, which fought a war to preserve slavery and establish a permanent slave nation?
[FONT="]STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (FOX 5 Atlanta) - Stone Mountain Park will be closed Saturday due to security concerns.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#353E47][FONT="]The Stone Mountain Memorial Association put out a statement late Friday announcing the closure. The release reads:[/FONT]
[FONT="][I]“The Stone Mountain Park Police Department will be closing the park to the public tomorrow, Saturday, February 2, 2019. No vehicles or pedestrian traffic will be allowed into the park. Only hotel and campground guests will be allowed entry and exit through the park gate.”[/I][/FONT][/COLOR]
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[FONT="]A white supremacist group had petitioned to rally at the park this weekend due to the significance of the site and its proximity to the Super Bowl this weekend. Those permit requests were denied, but rumors lingered there would be a gathering despite those denials.
Police: Stone Mountain Park to close Saturday - Story | WAGA
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Oh dear, lord....Pulaski TN, is considered the birthplace of the Ku Klux Klan, because, that's, you know, where it was founded. :roll:
They most certainly should preserve it.
and take a lesson, it's best to leave them long-haired, country boys alone...
To emphasize YOUR moronic position...
You advocate for the same actions as these ****ing twats.
And your second paragraph is too stupid to address.
Is it your position that erasing physical markers of an evil past helps to erase the possibility of an evil future, RabidAlpaca?
In 1915 a mural of Jefferson Davis - President of the Confederacy, Robert E Lee - Confederate General, and Stonewall Jackson - also a Confederate general - was carved into Stone Mountain, Georgia. This is considered the birthplace of the Ku Klux Klan. Cross burning rituals were performed there from 1915 thru 1958, when the State of Georgia purchased/took the property. The site has been owned by the State of Georgia ever since. In 1965 it was opened as a state park and is the #1 tourist destination in the state.
Should the State Of Georgia continue to operate a state park that markets a memorial to the president and generals of the Confederacy, which fought a war to preserve slavery and establish a permanent slave nation?
[FONT="]STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. (FOX 5 Atlanta) - Stone Mountain Park will be closed Saturday due to security concerns.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#353E47][FONT="]The Stone Mountain Memorial Association put out a statement late Friday announcing the closure. The release reads:[/FONT]
[FONT="][I]“The Stone Mountain Park Police Department will be closing the park to the public tomorrow, Saturday, February 2, 2019. No vehicles or pedestrian traffic will be allowed into the park. Only hotel and campground guests will be allowed entry and exit through the park gate.”[/I][/FONT][/COLOR]
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[FONT="]A white supremacist group had petitioned to rally at the park this weekend due to the significance of the site and its proximity to the Super Bowl this weekend. Those permit requests were denied, but rumors lingered there would be a gathering despite those denials.
Police: Stone Mountain Park to close Saturday - Story | WAGA
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They don't care about historical facts.
America in some ways feels like it is a place run by the Taliban.
Right, wrong, and everything in between those two extremes, we did have a great war and there were men willing and able to lead a Confederate Army in what they fervently believed was a righteous cause. We may not share their core beliefs or what they stood for or their choice to join the Confederacy, but nevertheless that was a great bloody war in which countless Americans were killed, injured, maimed and it forever changed many things in the United States. It is part of our history and we should not just eliminate or bury it as those in fascist and oppressively totalitarian states do.
Abraham Lincoln was a dedicated racist that couldn't be elected dog catcher in our time. But in his time he made it possible to forever end the unjustifiable practice of slavery and he preserved the union. Should there be no memorials or commemoration of Lincoln because there are serious negatives in his persona and/or core beliefs and/or actions?
George Washington owned slaves, which Lincoln did not, but he led the colonies against the British might and wrested this land from British control making the United States of America possible. Should there be no memorials or commemoration of Washington because there are serious negatives in his personal life?
Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, but his determination to create a country in which the people would enjoy maximum liberty and govern themselves free from authoritarian control of monarchs, popes/archbishops, dictators, etc. gave us first the Declaration of Independence that was the beginning of a new nation and then helped forge the Constitution that made the USA the most free, most prosperous, most innovative, most powerful, most benevolent nation the world has ever known. Should there be no memorials or commemoration of Jefferson because of serious negatives in his personal life?
All American history is striped with good and bad, positive and negative, pluses and minuses. And it should all be studied, noted, recognized, and allowed in our American culture now. Stone Mountain should be protected and preserved just as all other Civil War memorabilia should have a place in our historical memory.
All the commemorative memorials and art work should remain in place as teaching opportunities of the good and bad that we once were and sometimes still are.
Oh dear, lord....Pulaski TN, is considered the birthplace of the Ku Klux Klan, because, that's, you know, where it was founded. :roll:
They most certainly should preserve it.
and take a lesson, it's best to leave them long-haired, country boys alone...
No.
It should stand as a monument to the Democrat Party history.
No, it means I don't want to have a Hitler poster hanging up on the wall of my house. Maybe I'd rather replace it with something better. Just because some asshole decorated something someway doesn't mean we should continue to glorify assholes until the end of time.