• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Should the kkk be able to practice?

So to call a man of Indian descent Aryan wouldn't fit in your eyes?
 
Auftrag said:
The historical meaning of the word is irrelevant. Whether or not National Socialism has co-opted the word Ayran isn't really that important.

What is commonly defined as an ayran now is a teutonic, celtic, nordic and anglo-saxon man.

Specifically Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
Click to expand...

According to www.m-w.com, your definition of Aryan came out as definition 2c. Not exactly the most common definition.

It actually goes to show that the term Aryan was used ignorantly by an ignorant bigot known as Hitler.
 
Maybe you're right. I don't agree, but so what. Even if you were that doesn't change the idea. Call it what you want. Call it the teutonic race if you like.It doesn't alter anything.
 
Auftrag said:
The historical meaning of the word is irrelevant. Whether or not National Socialism has co-opted the word Ayran isn't really that important.

What is commonly defined as an ayran now is a teutonic, celtic, nordic and anglo-saxon man.

Specifically Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
Click to expand...

It's extemely relevent. It points to the founding of the movement being based on a total lack of reality. It points to Naziism and Neo-Naziism being based on self-delusion and ignorance.

Each dictionary that I checked had your definition of Aryan as the usage of the Nazi/Neo-Nazi movement. It is simply you continuing to insist that your views are reality, even when it is demonstrably not so.
 
lmao...ya think?
 
well if he really is, answer these questions:

Why do you hate when you are christian (since most nazi's claim to be)?

Why do you support killing when you are christian?

and

What ethnic background are you (you obviously dont have to ask any of these questions, and if you feel that this question is too much, then do not answer).
 
Auftrag said:
Maybe you're right. I don't agree, but so what. Even if you were that doesn't change the idea. Call it what you want. Call it the teutonic race if you like.It doesn't alter anything.
Click to expand...

That's true, it doesn't really change anything.

All that it really does is point out that the founding of your ideals is based on ignorance and self-delusion.

All that it does is point out that the basis, the foundation, of your ideals is wrong.

Unless you want to admit that it means that the "Supreme Race" is from the area of India and Persia (Iran).
 
y not peace? said:
well if he really is, answer these questions:

Why do you hate when you are christian (since most nazi's claim to be)?

Why do you support killing when you are christian?

and

What ethnic background are you (you obviously dont have to ask any of these questions, and if you feel that this question is too much, then do not answer).
Click to expand...

I'm not a Christian. I'm an atheist.
 
MrFungus420 said:
That's true, it doesn't really change anything.

All that it really does is point out that the founding of your ideals is based on ignorance and self-delusion.

All that it does is point out that the basis, the foundation, of your ideals is wrong.

Unless you want to admit that it means that the "Supreme Race" is from the area of India and Persia (Iran).
Click to expand...

Not really. Things get co-opted all the time. All it proves is the word Aryan had a different meaning once-upon-a-time in history. Gay meant something different 50 years ago. So what?
 
Auftrag said:
Not really. Things get co-opted all the time. All it proves is the word Aryan had a different meaning once-upon-a-time in history. Gay meant something different 50 years ago. So what?
Click to expand...

But, the meaning of "'Aryan" is still the same as it's been since it started being used in the 19th century. Except when used by people who are either ignorant of it's meaning, or self-deluded.
 
MrFungus420 said:
But, the meaning of "'Aryan" is still the same as it's been since it started being used in the 19th century. Except when used by people who are either ignorant of it's meaning, or self-deluded.
Click to expand...

I'm quite prepared to use another word. This really is a no-brainer. If this is the best you have to refute National Socialism, then I suppose we're quite safe.

Although, "noble person" is probably the best way to describe the North European race.
 
Auftrag said:
I'm quite prepared to use another word. This really is a no-brainer. If this is the best you have to refute National Socialism, then I suppose we're quite safe.

Although, "noble person" is probably the best way to describe the North European race.
Click to expand...

Being decending from Norman Vikings who invaded France, I would qualify, BUT I have no desire whatsoever to be part of something so blatently racist. We should all learn to get along and live together. I also presume you are against interracial relationships. That being the case, we will ALWAYS be unalterably opposed as my wife is Taiwanese.
 
Auftrag said:
I'm quite prepared to use another word. This really is a no-brainer. If this is the best you have to refute National Socialism, then I suppose we're quite safe.

Although, "noble person" is probably the best way to describe the North European race.
Click to expand...

Your choice of a word to use is irrelevent. That fact is that when Naziism was founded, it was founded based on the idea of the Aryan race being the "Master Race". This was based in large part on the language of the Aryans being the proto-language for most of the European languages. So, if the logic behind the Master Race is at all valid, what the Nazis should be promoting is the supremacy of the Indo-Iranian peoples.

Instead, it was wrongly applied to the Northern European people. The logic that brought about the idea of a Master Race really has nothing to do with the Northern European people at all.

What I'm trying to point out to you is that if you believe the original thinking that declared the Aryans to be the Master Race, then you must believe that the true Master Race is of Indo-Iranian descent. If you want to apply it to Northern Europeans, then you must admit that the original logic was wrong. And, in either case, there is no argument for the Northern European races to be the Master Race. Therefore, the very foundation of Nazi/Neo-Nazi beliefs is invalid.
 
Like I said: No brainer.
 
Yep, a no-brainer.

The very foundation of your beliefs is invalid.
 
MrFungus420 said:
Yep, a no-brainer.

The very foundation of your beliefs is invalid.
Click to expand...

They can only be invalid if your argument is relevant to the validity of my beliefs. It isn't. So a word has two meanings...Who cares?

Teutonic, nordic, celtic and anglo-saxon people are modernly described as aryan. Deal with it!
 
Auftrag said:
Teutonic, nordic, celtic and anglo-saxon people are modernly described as aryan. Deal with it!
Click to expand...

"Aryan" is modernly described as someone with an inferiority complex who feels the need to believe he/she is somewhat superior to others.

I believe you're having a problem "dealing" with that.:roll:
 
cnredd said:
"Aryan" is modernly described as someone with an inferiority complex who feels the need to believe he/she is somewhat superior to others.

I believe you're having a problem "dealing" with that.:roll:
Click to expand...

Ahhjew!

See, I can be puerile too!
 
ludahai said:
By you perhaps, NOT by the educated people of the world.
Click to expand...

And who would that be?
 
cnredd said:
"Aryan" is modernly described as someone with an inferiority complex who feels the need to believe he/she is somewhat superior to others.

I believe you're having a problem "dealing" with that.
Click to expand...

That's a good one cnredd

:2rofll: :2rofll: :2rofll: :2rofll:

Too bad I have to drop out of this tag team for a while.
 
Auftrag said:
They can only be invalid if your argument is relevant to the validity of my beliefs. It isn't. So a word has two meanings...Who cares?
Click to expand...

So, are you saying that your beliefs are not based on Naziism?

Auftrag said:
Teutonic, nordic, celtic and anglo-saxon people are modernly described as aryan. Deal with it!
Click to expand...

Only by Nazis and Neo-Nazis. Apparently, the Nazis and Neo-Nazis can't use the term correctly.

It's laughable. The Nazis came up with the entire concept of a Master Race and then applied it to the wrong race.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom