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Should the kkk be able to practice?

Yes the KKK should be in aloud to practice in America. Im a strong believer in free speech. I dont agree with them but i respect their right of free speech.
 
If you really want to do something that will upset the KKK, when they are going to have a public rally, get a group of people together, and all of you start laughing uproariously at everything that they say.

They exist on hatred and violence, laughing at them confuses them and pisses them off.
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I would pay money to see something like that and perhaps what would make it even better is if a few people of different races mocked what the kkk said.
 
I'm sorry, I haven't read your other posts, but since I'm assuming you think the KKK is bad, and you've stated at least twice that there's nothing wrong with the Black Panthers, you've proven yourself to have racist tendencies.
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I forgive u. You should read my other posts before you judge me. Yes I do think the KKK is "bad", and YES I have said there is nothing wrong with the Black Panthers at least twice. PROOVE TO ME HOW I AM RACIST.

and even if you think i am racist (which i am not), it is impossible for me to one. It is possible for me to be prejudice (although that is not the case either), but racism is the power, prejudice is the thought.
 
galenrox said:
Both groups believe in the supremecy of their own race. Both groups are formed on a fundamental hatred for people outside of their race. Both were formed out of fear of the actions of the other's race (although the Black Panthers were quite a bit more justified), so essentially the Black Panthers are the black KKK, and since the only primary difference between the KKK and the Black Panthers is their race, and yet you think the KKK is wrong and the Black Panther's are A-OK, that would reveal you to be a racist.
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Nonsense. The Klan was and is a terrorist organization and it's members as worthy of a trip to Cuba as any "enemy combatant". The Panthers were justified in their opposition to the White Power Structure and that opposition did frighten some "white" people, that doesn't make them racist or terrorist. Can anyone give one instance of Panther terrorism?
 
The Ku Klux Klan?
Impossible to estimate is the damage done to our nation by this one terrorist organization. There’s still some of them around, what do you say we round them up, dress them in orange, and ship them to Cuba?
 
First, if a member of the Klan is an American citizen they are subject to the American justice system; as opposed to POW's/Enemy Combatants/Today's Euphemisms. Therefore, sending them to Cuba is probably not a viable alternative.

Second, I am all for apprehending anyone who is committing crimes - regardless of their motivations or at whom they are directed. I am not in favour of prosecuting/persecuting people for their beliefs no matter how personally distasteful I may find them. As long as a person's beliefs do not cause them to commit crimes, they should not be punished. The fact that other people who hold these beliefs have committed crimes in the past does not allow a free government to imprison others who hold those beliefs. Your beliefs may make you an ignorant, backwards a-hole but as long as you do not infringe upon the rights of others you are guilty of nothing but thought.
 
walrus said:
First, if a member of the Klan is an American citizen they are subject to the American justice system; as opposed to POW's/Enemy Combatants/Today's Euphemisms. Therefore, sending them to Cuba is probably not a viable alternative.

Second, I am all for apprehending anyone who is committing crimes - regardless of their motivations or at whom they are directed. I am not in favour of prosecuting/persecuting people for their beliefs no matter how personally distasteful I may find them. As long as a person's beliefs do not cause them to commit crimes, they should not be punished. The fact that other people who hold these beliefs have committed crimes in the past does not allow a free government to imprison others who hold those beliefs. Your beliefs may make you an ignorant, backwards a-hole but as long as you do not infringe upon the rights of others you are guilty of nothing but thought.
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That's pretty much how I see it. The Ku Klux Klan has a horrendous history and certainly did a lot of unconscionable things, but so did many in our nation's past. Most of us descend from at least some ancestors who had notions and beliefs and practices that we would consider contemptible today. But each generation has adjusted and learned how to be a little better than the last.

Any organization that preaches and teaches discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry is stuck in a time warp of course, but then discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry are all perfectly lawful so long as they aren't used to deny somebody else their rights. In other words, being ignorant and stupid isn't against the law. The KKK has as much right to exist as any other ignorant and stupid group or even as much right as the educated and smart ones.
 
My statement above, ”as worthy a trip to Cuba as any enemy combatant”, is more a condemnation of this administration’s policies. An “enemy combatant” is anyone Gee Dub says, including American citizens, and besides, everyone, citizen or not, is entitled to a trial by jury, right to counsel etc. Does anyone know how many of the more than six hundred detainees have been convicted of anything? Any al Qaeda member, whether or not they actually participated in or had knowledge of a terrorist act, is considered to be an “enemy combatant“. What ever happened to presumption of innocence?
The title of this discussion is “Should the KKK be able to practice?”, and I don’t take “practice” by a terrorist to mean belief or even the burning of a cross on Klan property. When the KKK, a known terrorist organization “practices”, it commits a crime. There are many Klan members today who are known to have practiced terror against America and have never been brought to justice, of course they should be locked up, after conviction by a jury trial of course.
 
marchare said:
My statement above, ”as worthy a trip to Cuba as any enemy combatant”, is more a condemnation of this administration’s policies. An “enemy combatant” is anyone Gee Dub says, including American citizens, and besides, everyone, citizen or not, is entitled to a trial by jury, right to counsel etc. Does anyone know how many of the more than six hundred detainees have been convicted of anything? Any al Qaeda member, whether or not they actually participated in or had knowledge of a terrorist act, is considered to be an “enemy combatant“. What ever happened to presumption of innocence?
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All debatable points, which have been debated to death in their own threads.

Marchare said:
The title of this discussion is “Should the KKK be able to practice?”, and I don’t take “practice” by a terrorist to mean belief or even the burning of a cross on Klan property.
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Then how do you take it? A person could "practice" racist beliefs without commiting a crime. Again, if the "practice" is criminal, prosecute. If the "practice" is protected under free speech it would be wrong to prosecute.

Marchare said:
When the KKK, a known terrorist organization “practices”, it commits a crime.
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Again, that depends on your subjective definition of the word "practice". A Klan member who simply doesn't associate with other races could be said to be "practicing" his beliefs, yet this is certainly not illegal.

Marchare said:
There are many Klan members today who are known to have practiced terror against America and have never been brought to justice, of course they should be locked up, after conviction by a jury trial of course.
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There are many people of many different persuasions who have committed crimes for which they were not prosecuted. This does not allow us to prosecute other people who have simply committed the crime of holding the same beliefs.
 
Thought I made it clear what I didn’t mean by “practice” when it comes to terrorists with the above statement ”I don’t take practice by a terrorist to mean belief or even the burning of a cross on Klan property”. If this thread were entitled “Should al Qaeda be able to practice?”, I doubt there would be such a defense of terrorism. Why the double standard?
 
marchare said:
Thought I made it clear what I didn’t mean by “practice” when it comes to terrorists with the above statement ”I don’t take practice by a terrorist to mean belief or even the burning of a cross on Klan property”. If this thread were entitled “Should al Qaeda be able to practice?”, I doubt there would be such a defense of terrorism. Why the double standard?
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I haven't seen anybody on this thread condone breaking of any law; thus burning crosses on a person's lawn which can be either trespass or assault, or both, depending on how it is done, is illegal and is not condoned by any law abiding person. Certainly whipping or other physically punative activities are assault and battery and can be felony offenses; lynchings or other forms of killing is murder and is a capital offense in most states. Threat of these things expressed in such a way as to intimidate or instill fear is assault, pure and simple, and thus illegal.

To dress up in sheets and march around carrying torches and chanting racist slogans is not illegal and, however ridiculous or contemptible it seems to normal people, should not be subject to interference by the law.

So yes, the KKK should be able to practice within the confines of the law. It should not be allowed to break the law with impunity any more than anybody should be able to break the law.
 
the KKK did peacful protests though as well, when they marched through towns.

they are legally allowed to do that, as american citizens they have the right to protest. whipping,lynching, or physicllly harming others is not allowed, and should be punished.
 
walrus said:
I am not in favour of prosecuting/persecuting people for their beliefs no matter how personally distasteful I may find them.
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It makes our life easier in crushing your liberal decadence and democratic systems of bullshit!

Survival means you have to fight. You liberals rot on about not "perseucting other beliefs" when the world around you is crumbling because of ineffectivness of 99.99999% of the beliefs in this world. The jew, the communist, the liberal, all rotting the world from its core.

I'm perfectly in favour of prosecuting and persecuting people for their beliefs. It's called responsability. Challanging and destroying opinion is the only way to free the aryan race.

As for the KKK, they have some good politics, but they are, largley, a group of nostalgia drunk fools. Dressing up in cloaks and pointy hats is not particularly a decent way for aryans to behave.
 
challenging other beliefs is fine, but destroying isnt.
the world is changing, the time when you settled an argument by seeing who drew faster is over. welcome to the new age, an age where people are civilized, and open-minded. and because of this open-minded attitude we are making progress like never before.
 
clone said:
challenging other beliefs is fine, but destroying isnt.
the world is changing, the time when you settled an argument by seeing who drew faster is over. welcome to the new age, an age where people are civilized, and open-minded. and because of this open-minded attitude we are making progress like never before.
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And that's my point. Liberalism isn't about real change. it's about civilising everyone. making everyone civil between each other. I don't want to be civil, I want to destory inidvidual capitalism and create an Aryan society. Politics is no longer about fighting or achieving change, it's about being "nice" and being "civil." That's why the world is like it is. While you people take about civility, the jew and the capitalist is taking control of our society and forcing it to rot. Look at the cities in our countries. They are rotting from within: But that's ok, because we're all being civil to each other!..Get real!
 
Auftrag said:
It makes our life easier in crushing your liberal decadence and democratic systems of bullshit!

Survival means you have to fight. You liberals rot on about not "perseucting other beliefs" when the world around you is crumbling because of ineffectivness of 99.99999% of the beliefs in this world. The jew, the communist, the liberal, all rotting the world from its core.

I'm perfectly in favour of prosecuting and persecuting people for their beliefs. It's called responsability. Challanging and destroying opinion is the only way to free the aryan race.

As for the KKK, they have some good politics, but they are, largley, a group of nostalgia drunk fools. Dressing up in cloaks and pointy hats is not particularly a decent way for aryans to behave.
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:2rofll: :2rofll: OMG, he's at it again... You are just too funny! :2rofll: :2rofll:
 
Auftrag said:
And that's my point. Liberalism isn't about real change. it's about civilising everyone. making everyone civil between each other. I don't want to be civil, I want to destory inidvidual capitalism and create an Aryan society. Politics is no longer about fighting or achieving change, it's about being "nice" and being "civil." That's why the world is like it is. While you people take about civility, the jew and the capitalist is taking control of our society and forcing it to rot. Look at the cities in our countries. They are rotting from within: But that's ok, because we're all being civil to each other!..Get real!
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ROFLMAO

Oh, this is great! Have you ever considered stand-up?

Some of the funniest stuff I've read in a long time!
 
And these are the people of the future? Why don't you think about what i said, and if you have something useful to add to the debate, do it. Instead of this semi-ad hominem attacks: Or are you proving to the rest of us what the quintessential liberal really is? if so, you're doing very well.
 
Auftrag said:
And these are the people of the future? Why don't you think about what i said, and if you have something useful to add to the debate, do it. Instead of this semi-ad hominem attacks: Or are you proving to the rest of us what the quintessential liberal really is? if so, you're doing very well.
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Future, nah, not me. I do find it amusing that someone more than two decades younger than me would consider me to be the future, though. That generally falls on those that are younger.

And, I have thought about what you said, that's why I find it so hysterically funny.

I am far more conservative than liberal.

Also, if you are so averse to ad hominem attacks, why do you resort to two of them yourself?

You might want to brush up on your grammar a little. It should be either "these...attacks", or "this...attack", not "this...attacks".
 
Oh for pity sake...Give me an arguemt, don't correct my grammer. You people are absurd!
 
FinnMacCool said:
Omg lmao. This is the funniest thing I've seen on debate politics so far.
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What is funny? What specifically is making you laugh? Or is this just your automatic response to arguments you don't agree with?
 
Auftrag said:
Oh for pity sake...Give me an arguemt, don't correct my grammer. You people are absurd!
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Ok, let's start with the claim of being “Aryan”. One of the things that I find so humorous.

The concept of the “Aryan race” comes from studies of linguistics. The oldest languages related to all the major European languages, Latin, Greek, and the Germanic ,Slavic and Celtic language groups are Avestan and Sanskrit. These two languages are thought to have been derived from a common, older language, a language that would have been the language of the ancestors of all Europeans. These possible ancestors were called “Aryans”. It comes from the word in Sanskrit and Avestan “arya”, meaning “noble person”.

So, this gives us the origins of Aryan being the people who spoke Sanskrit and Avestan. So, seeing that Sanskrit was the language of the area Northern India and Pakistan, and Avestan was the language of ancient Persia (modern day Iran, “Iran” itself being a variant of the word “Aryan”), we can see that the Aryan race was actually from the ancient Middle Eastern area.

So, we can see that the self-proclaimed, Nordic looking “Aryans” are essentially self-deluded fools.
 
The historical meaning of the word is irrelevant. Whether or not National Socialism has co-opted the word Ayran isn't really that important.

What is commonly defined as an ayran now is a teutonic, celtic, nordic and anglo-saxon man.

Specifically Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
 
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