I said gays are an abomination of nature, birth defected and weak... Weak is probably not a correct catagory... so choose birth defect or abomination... Earlier Captain Courtesy advised he would provide information to resolve this assumption that I could not in my hasty investigation using the encyclopedia, as of yet I can find no basis as to why gays, or gay men have a preference for men instead of women. I conclude that something went wrong after conception prior to birth but have no proof... I can find nothing to prove otherwise... the studies indicated science thought it to be mental illness until the 1970's... if you have some information that clears up when a person becomes a homosexual please share it with me. Many homosexuals have argued it is a natural occurance in nature referring to animals... this caused me to believe that homosexuals thought they were born that way, different than the intent of nature for procreation. I grew up on a farm and watched nature closely... I've seen calves born with two heads, seen turtles with two heads and other non intentions of nature... we called this an abomination of nature or birth defect. I also saw normal bulls fight over the cows for dominance to later see them in a market sales pin performing homosexual acts on each other as happens in prisons with humans. I don't know the cause of the abnormality, do you?
"Abomination" is rather Biblical. "Defect"? Eh, I'm perfectly functional physically & mentally and if I really wanted to I could have a child. Actually being gay when the world population is exploding and getting up to 7 billion, well, we could use more people who would really have to consider whether or not they want to bring a child into this world.
You seem like a pretty nice normal person and if I met you and we shared similar likes or interests we would probablly share a good conversation with no problem. You seem normal as you have stated, but if we visited you and you kissed your same sex lover or showed affection in any way I would be repulsed because I would immediately think I don't know the real you or understand how you could do something so abnormal. You ask "As for what is normal, ask everyone what is normal and everyone will find that everyone else is abnormal in some manner. If you knew me, you'd have no problem describing me as normal except for the gay thing." and I'll ask you in return how many TV shows or movies represent what you consider to be "your" normal? I used to post on a site where there were no rules, whatpissesyouoff, and was part of a dialog with a gay man who stated he was repulsed by the very thought of sleeping with a woman as I was to him with a man. I was busy asking why a minority desiring equal rights would beat up on the Boy Scouts and others but I ended the conversation out of disgust when one of the posters posted an older gay man bent over spreading his butt wide enough to insert a soft ball. Sorry, I find that when a human being is that different they are defected at birth or an abomination of nature. I entered the discussion just frustrated about gays bothering straits about Boy Scouts, army recruiting and left with a disgust for the acts gays do to each other.
I'm just not one for public displays of affection. We could probably have a relatively civil conversation in real life, I agree. I don't understand how a PDoA would would make you not know the real me, but whatever. So you had a bad experience on the internet with some gays. It is the internet afterall, and plenty of people are just offensive. You brought up fisting earlier, and that is something I find disgusting as you do. Now, there are a number of straight people that engage in weird sexual acts that are harmful, but I wouldn't write off all straight people as sickos, that just doesn't follow. I do agree with the ruling against the Boy Scouts as I mentioned earlier and why. They could've played by the rules every other private organization plays by, but they wanted special treatment. Gee, doesn't that sound ironically familiar? Now if they want to kick out gays and atheists while not accepting federal funding, that's just fine, I don't care. I just wouldn't personally support them. The Boy Scouts has turned into a quasi-creepy Christian organization. What the hell does a belief in god/gods or ones sexual orientation have to do with tying knots and starting a fire from scratch? I'd be more pissed at what the fundamentalist Christians have done to the organization, but of course you came into the conversation frustrated and already had your mind made up. Next time try going in with a level head and seeing if the other side has some valid points.
It is hard to argue that point.
If you disagree, feel free to explain.
We are talking on two different levels here... under the constitution I think gay people might be able to have same sex unions, kiss and make out in public and serve in the military as any other citizen without restrictions based on the judge looking at the issues. But I was speaking of gays being accepted by the people... The black people in the south now have the right to enter any resturant and order a meal but they don't have the ability or acceptance to assure someone hasn't spit in their meal. Some things are in your control and others are in the control of the rights you desire.
What? How can you possibly describe yourself as "very conservative"? I mean in the context of what is associated with conservatism today. What is it exactly that you are conserving, and very much so? I don't see the need for widespread acceptance. Some parts of this nation are far too backwards and I'll be sure to stay out and let them stagnate with their racism, gay-baiting, Jew-hating, whatever. You can only present people in the opposition with information and chances are they were comforable believing what they did and don't want to change regardless of reality. As a rule, all big cities in this country are socially liberal more or less. Same goes for college towns in rural areas, which I'd argue are pretty much the only interesting small towns to visit. So, with those as my options I don't see the point of acceptance, and you're always going to have people who don't accept you anyway.
The facts are the Boy Scouts were just fine for generations before the gay backed ACLU bothered them... the military still finds the judgment in contempt and fully supports the Boy Scouts outside to the US. I fail to understand how a minority desiring something would attack something they cherish... It made me your enemy, I had an open mind until the gays attacked the Boy Scouts and the military recruiters.
Hopefully the aforementioned info puts things into perspective. It sounds like you just bought the nonsense spewed on talk radio. Not to mention I'm certain there are gays who agree with you on the Boy Scouts. We're not one singular entity and that goes for just about all groups of people. I'd make an exemption for the vast majority of those who follow specific, rigid dogmas.
Normal is what normal is and one day normal will be for gay men to have unions, show affections in public and serve openly in the military. I could, if I so desire purchase pay for view lesbians making love but I cannot purchase gay males making love because in the year 2006 it is not normal.
Well, neither is the norm, but for a gay person to be gay is normal for that individual. Now two straight guys making out? That's abnormal.
I've explained my position.
Yes, but I'm not finding that it makes sense. If you are fine with holding an irrational position based on a gut reaction and tradition, then so be it.
Perhaps less gay pride parades and locking up religious people would help... don't use sex and gay together ever.
There's only one a year, and it's one of the best events of the year. Lots of straight people like the spectacle and that's what it's meant to be. It could also have something to do with the fact that we have an abnormal law saying it's legal for women to be topless in public. And I'm sure you don't object to gay hot chicks having sex, so never say never, or should that be "ever". I don't think religious people need to be locked up (I'm sure that was an exaggeration), but I do think our education system neds to be revamped and teach students HOW to think. Philosphy & logic would go a long way if you ask me.