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Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke...

Elora said:
https://www.science20.com/writer_on...s_might_not_exist_and_thats_not_a_joke-139982
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The ‘scientific’ premise presented seems to be that “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” (basic morality and mutual respect - aka the Golden Rule) requires (or indicates) a spiritual belief in some god (or higher power).

Spiritual beliefs evolved over thousands of years as nature’s way to help us balance this out and go on functioning.
That ’logic’ considers the fact that (avowed or alleged) atheists can and do *gasp* agree that basic morality and mutual respect are important traits (moral values?) of a functioning society. Using that completely secular concept to assert that a belief in a god or higher power (never mentioned in the Golden Rule) was responsible for that natural evolutionary development - ergo “some scientists” assert that (true?) atheists (those lacking any basic morality?) may not exist.

It seems to me that (organized) religions (and their texts) simply co-opted basic morality (the Golden Rule), rather than heard about it from their (invented?) god or higher power.

Using nonsense like folks conducting burial or memorial services for the dead (which many do for pets) to prove that they (must?) believe in spirituality (a continuing soul?) is utter nonsense.
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Perhaps we live in a "participatory universe", where the questions you ask determine the answers you find, in an informational feed-back loop. Ask different questions, then get different answers, thus draw different conclusions. Quantum science often teeters on verge or crosses over into the realm of meta-physics, but that does not mean some anthropomorphised, all-powerful cosmic being is calling all the shots. It just means that we humans cannot fully grasp how a universe creates itself based on how we observe and interrogate it.

Maybe "God" is just one possible superposition in the cosmos, dependant on the questions we ask?

www.spacemachine.net

Participatory Universe — Space Machine

John Wheeler , who is mentor to many of today’s leading physicists, and the man who coined the term “ black hole ”, suggested that the nature of reality was revealed by the bizarre laws of quantum mechanics. According to the quantum theory, before the observation is made, a subatomic particle exists
www.spacemachine.net www.spacemachine.net

Mystery =/= divinity.

Cheers and question everything so that the universe will reveal itself to you in one of its infinite unique forms.
Evilroddy.
 
Dragonfly said:
Please, explain in detail what you mean by this absolutely ludicrous comment.
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It likely means that she sees someone as being less than (completely?) human if they do not hold acceptable (to her) religious beliefs.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It likely means that she sees someone as being less than (completely?) human if they do not hold acceptable (to her) religious beliefs.
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It likely does not...the need to believe is ingrained in humans...period...some are conscious of that need, others are not, but it's still there...
 
Elora said:
It likely does not...the need to believe is ingrained in humans...period...some are conscious of that need, others are not, but it's still there...
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You can’t have it both ways: 1) all humans have the need to believe in a god or higher power and 2) some humans do not.

Basically, you are accusing atheists of being liars (and dehumanizing others) simply because they do not attribute their basic morality and mutual respect for others as having been granted (assigned?) to them by a belief in god or some higher power.

If organized religion stopped at accepting the Golden Rule (which does not mention God) then perhaps I would share your assertion that atheists are unknowing or unconscious believers.
 
Elora said:
It likely does not...the need to believe is ingrained in humans...period...some are conscious of that need, others are not, but it's still there...
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I've seen no evidence of a need to believe ingrained in humans, relative to anything supernatural, though a case might be made that some humans may have a want to believe if an infinitesimally small chance of life after death might possibly exist.
There is a need, for survival of the species, to believe in what has been proven about nature and the natural world in which we exist, but that's all. Anything supernatural is optional, though lawful as long as it remains harmless.
 
Individual said:
I've seen no evidence of a need to believe ingrained in humans, relative to anything supernatural, though a case might be made that some humans may have a want to believe if an infinitesimally small chance of life after death might possibly exist.
There is a need, for survival of the species, to believe in what has been proven about nature and the natural world in which we exist, but that's all. Anything supernatural is optional, though lawful as long as it remains harmless.
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some are conscious of that need, others are not, but it's still there...
 
Elora said:
some are conscious of that need, others are not, but it's still there...
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What you say, if speaking of a need to believe in something supernatural, is nothing more than a baseless opinion.
 
Individual said:
What you say, if speaking of a need to believe in something supernatural, is nothing more than a baseless opinion.
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Baseless opinion and also self delusion.
 
While this idea may seem outlandish—after all, it seems easy to decide not to believe in God—evidence from several disciplines indicates that what you actually believe is not a decision you make for yourself. Your fundamental beliefs are decided by much deeper levels of consciousness, and some may well be more or less set in stone.
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So does this mean that 'agnosticism' is impossible also and I have been lying to myself since I was 12 years old?
 
bomberfox said:
Aaaaand Elora dehumanizing atheists. Some of that real JW cult love. Im so glad i never joined this cult.
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........................."dehumanizing," atheists in what way?
Can you expand on that, pls.



www.forbes.com

Scientists Think They Just Found The Brain’s Spirituality Network

Science addresses that spiritual knowledge is produced a different way.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

If belief or spirituality is in humanity - then, wouldn't it be the other way around?
To say that it's not (without any proof or evidence to suggest otherwise) - would be removing something that is ingrained (which was perhaps in us for the sole purpose of involvement/relationship with God) -
wouldn't that be 'dehumanizing" humans?
 
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@Quag
@bomberfox
@azgreg
@lemmiwinx
@Arlette
@Logician Man
@Somerville
@Gordy327




It's like..............................human EMOTIONS.
We don't see what's going on inside us but we see the result.
Do you deny humans have emotions?

Only you, can experience your own emotions. There are so many nuances to an emotion, too.
The kind of anger you feel about a personal insult, may not be the same as the anger one feels which is triggered by frustrations.
Being angry at someone in particular and being angry at no one in particular.
That's just one emotion, and that's not all about anger, either. There's also "degrees" of anger, or emotions felt.
Had science been able to explain it?


Don't give me that evolution crap! 🤷
 
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I don't buy that evolution crap about emotions, either!
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Jesus christ you are so ****ing lazy. Can't even form an opinion of your own, and the entire point of your thread is to attempt to claim atheists can't exist, therefore the debate ass kickings we regularly hand you don't count.
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Seems to have formed one very misguided 'opinion', as said 'opinion' is not supported with anything 'factual.' See post# 8 put forth by @Elora in this thread to view that misguided 'opinion.'
 
tosca1 said:
@Quag
@bomberfox
@azgreg
@lemmiwinx
@Arlette
@Logician Man
@Somerville
@Gordy327




It's like..............................human EMOTIONS.
We don't see what's going on inside us but we see the result.
Do you deny humans have emotions?

Only you, can experience your own emotions. There are so many nuances to an emotion, too.
The kind of anger you feel about a personal insult, may not be the same as the anger one feels which is triggered by frustrations.
Being angry at someone in particular and being angry at no one in particular.
That's just one emotion, and that's not all about anger, either. There's also "degrees" of anger, or emotions felt.
Had science been able to explain it?


Don't give me that evolution crap! 🤷
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Emotions is just a process of the brain. Science can point out which parts of the brain govern emotion. There's nothing unusual about it.
 
tosca1 said:
@Quag
@bomberfox
@azgreg
@lemmiwinx
@Arlette
@Logician Man
@Somerville
@Gordy327




It's like..............................human EMOTIONS.
We don't see what's going on inside us but we see the result.
Do you deny humans have emotions?

Only you, can experience your own emotions. There are so many nuances to an emotion, too.
The kind of anger you feel about a personal insult, may not be the same as the anger one feels which is triggered by frustrations.
Being angry at someone in particular and being angry at no one in particular.
That's just one emotion, and that's not all about anger, either. There's also "degrees" of anger, or emotions felt.
Had science been able to explain it?


Don't give me that evolution crap! 🤷
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Evolution is a known observed fact
Religious beliefs are just beliefs without any evidence to support them
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Jesus christ you are so ****ing lazy. Can't even form an opinion of your own, and the entire point of your thread is to attempt to claim atheists can't exist, therefore the debate ass kickings we regularly hand you don't count.
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Guess you were too lazy to read the thread...
 
Quag said:
Evolution is a known observed fact
Religious beliefs are just beliefs without any evidence to support them
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Observed theory is NOT fact...
 
Logician Man said:
Seems to have formed one very misguided 'opinion', as said 'opinion' is not supported with anything 'factual.' See post# 8 put forth by @Elora in this thread to view that misguided 'opinion.'
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To deny a natural, inherent human need is dehumanizing/denying being human...
 
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