Rush Got It Wrong. Sandra Fluke In Her Own Words

[Removable Mind]

I suggest everyone pay attention here. I saw a lot of arguing about this.

BTW EVERYONE: VIAGRA IS NOT COVERED UNDER GEORGETOWN'S POLICY
http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu...lanbooklet.pdf

See page 29

Too bad, it should be. Keeps the Catholic baby mill going.


So, my understanding is that Georgetown women are paying around $1800 for a health insurance policy which they must buy, is not subsidized by Georgetown and doesn't cover contraceptive services because Georgetown is a Catholic university and the C church disapproves of birth control. So on what ground does Georgetown have to decide that women can't have comprehensive health services when the school doesn't pay anything for it?

Any other understanding about this issue? Is this wrong?

 

[nota bene]

Too bad, it should be. Keeps the Catholic baby mill going.

What Catholic baby mill?

 

[Kali]

Don't get your hopes up.

Fluke is a useful idiot being used by Pelosi and her buddies. When this all blows over...and it will blow over...Fluke will go back to tilting at Georgetown windmills and Pelosi and Co. will move on to another issue designed to shift public attention away from Obama's record.

She is going to do great things!
Current PILS

 

[Kali]

Why?

She's just some cute bimbo. Why do you want her to make policies that affect you?

Also, do you agree that if the taxpayers pay for her contraception pills, then we should be able to watch the video?

Or do you think that is just laughable?

Cute Bimbo? I cannot even take you serious.

Current PILS
Sandra Fluke’s professional background in domestic violence and human trafficking began with Sanctuary for Families in New York City. There, she launched the agency’s pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. While at Sanctuary, she co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which after a twenty-year stalemate, successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Sandra was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President’s Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence.


As the 2010 recipient of the Women Lawyers Association of Los Angeles Fran Kandel Public Interest Grant, she researched, wrote, and produced an instructional film on how to apply for a domestic violence restraining order in pro per. She has also interned with the Coalition to Abolish Slavery & Trafficking; Polaris Project; Neighborhood Legal Services of Los Angeles County; Break the Cycle; the Domestic Violence Legal Empowerment and Appeals Project; NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund; Crime Victim and Sexual Assault Services; and the Human Services Coalition of Tompkins County.


Through Georgetown’s clinic programs, Sandra has proposed legislation based on fact-finding in Kenya regarding child trafficking for domestic work, and has represented victims of domestic violence in protection order cases. Sandra is the Development Editor of the Journal of Gender and the Law, and served as the President of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, and the Vice President of the Women’s Legal Alliance. In her first year, she also co-founded a campus committee addressing human trafficking. Cornell University awarded her a B. S. in Policy Analysis & Management, as well as Feminist, Gender, & Sexuality Studies in 2003.

 

[Kali]

No need to watch the whole video let me summerize!

Boo hoo! Im going to an expensive law school, and will probly make more money in a year than most people will in their entire life time.

I cant afford birth control and if I dont have birth control I cant have sex and if I cant have sex I.. I... I dont know what Ill do!

Please pay for my birth control!

Give me a break!!! When I cant afford to do things I like to do like go to the movies or play video games I cut them out of my budget not force others to pay for it.

You do understand that women can need birthcontrol for other issues don't ya? If so? Then why are you crying about a medical need?

 

[winston53660]

I think sex is a part of a healthy life.

 

[Catawba]

I think sex is a part of a healthy life.

Why you socialist heathen!!!!

 

[Kali]

I meant not crying and cannot change it now Anyways. Those of you harping about birth control? These meds are used for other health issues too.

 

[haymarket]

If my daughter were stupid enough to whine about BC like Fluke did... I'd be surprised if "slut" was the worse thing she was called. Certainly, that would be a life changing "teachable" moment in her life.

I would hope that every parent would stand tall and support the Constitutional rights of their children without allowing their own extremist ideology to poison them against their own children. A parent willing to accept the label of SLUT upon their own daughter because she opines about her own rights has betrayed and spit upon what it means to be a parent.

 

[haymarket]

No not a bimbo... tool, pawn, dupe... but not bimbo.

Why does the right of a citizen to exercise their Constitution rights cause such trepidation in you that you resort to calling them names and passing judgment upon them? We lived through such an era and intelligent people hope we never enter it again. These sorts of labels and names certainly contribute to the poisoning of the national political climate.

 

[Ockham]

You do understand that women can need birthcontrol for other issues don't ya? If so? Then why are you crying about a medical need?

Sure and how does their other issues become my issues? It's their issue, they need to deal with it and figure out a way to afford it. Some people get part time jobs, borrow money from mom & dad or dare I say it, use state and federal programs that already exist. BC is the least of our countries needs or problems... perspective people.

 

[buck]

I meant not crying and cannot change it now Anyways. Those of you harping about birth control? These meds are used for other health issues too.

And they are covered for other health issues. Sandra Fluke admitted such in her testimony, and all/almost all of the religious organziations also cover health related BC. They simply do not cover them as contraception/abortion. Get off the inane and factually inaccurate talking point or show all of the religiou organizations that supposedly won't cover BC to prevent cysts and the like.

 

[TheNextEra]

Sure and how does their other issues become my issues? It's their issue, they need to deal with it and figure out a way to afford it. Some people get part time jobs, borrow money from mom & dad or dare I say it, use state and federal programs that already exist. BC is the least of our countries needs or problems... perspective people.

The same could be said for viagra, yet conservatives haven't taken up that fight. Probably because of the old male GOPers that use it.

 

[buck]

The same could be said for viagra, yet conservatives haven't taken up that fight. Probably because of the old male GOPers that use it.

I guess it could be. Except, as evidenced earlier, Sandra Fluke's university, Georgetown, does not cover viagra for any reason. I don't see any of the old male GOPers (or the limp liberals) taking up that fight to force them to cover it... Do you?

 

[Removable Mind]

The right side of insanity along with the more and more desperate Catholic Church doing all in its failing power to maintain control of not only today's Catholic congregation, but also the future generations of congregations...both have a ludicrous need, an obsessive and compulsive need, to "attempt" to control the sexual behaviors of every individual in America.

For the Catholics...substantially reducing abortion, rid of contraceptives as much as possible...thus you have a "Catholic Baby Mill" in motion that will continuously go on...and will build the congregations and their coffers. And in the end game, they increase their power and control.

Yet no major players from either of these factions are coming forward to offer a sound plan for maintaining the many unwanted children that would be born....if they had their way. If their quest to end abortion was possible...if they can somehow end contraceptives...there is absolutely no plan do deal with the aftermath. AND there never will be.

 

[Ockham]

I guess it could be. Except, as evidenced earlier, Sandra Fluke's university, Georgetown, does not cover viagra for any reason. I don't see any of the old male GOPers (or the limp liberals) taking up that fight to force them to cover it... Do you?

Perhaps old male GOPers aren't taking up the fight since I would suspect, very few if any are currently going to University, and are petitioning the University to cover the costs of their viagra. I would venture to guess, most GOPers, old male not withstanding, would see their erectile needs as their own responsibility. The vast majority of males going to College / University most likely have little issue with erectile health.

 

[Removable Mind]

The Truth or Not the Truth with Georgetown University?

I'm as sick as everyone else about the story of Sandra Fluke. HOWEVER...let's get to the guts of the issue about the health plan issues related to this situation.

I read the following recently in another forum. Is it true or not true? If you want to comment regarding the validity of the following then great, but please...please keep it civil. And try to stay with the OP. If you can prove the following either way...PLEASE post a source.

"It is my understanding is that Georgetown women are paying around $1800 for a health insurance policy which they must buy, is not subsidized by Georgetown and doesn't cover contraceptive services because Georgetown is a Catholic university and the C church disapproves of birth control.

So the question is: On what ground does Georgetown University have to decide that women can't have comprehensive health services when the school doesn't pay anything for it?"

Remember...In order to be a university or hospital...both have to meet certain government standards regardless if they are church owned or not.

Any other understanding about this issue? Is this wrong? Is it right?

 

[buck]

Perhaps old male GOPers aren't taking up the fight since I would suspect, very few if any are currently going to University, and are petitioning the University to cover the costs of their viagra. I would venture to guess, most GOPers, old male not withstanding, would see their erectile needs as their own responsibility. The vast majority of males going to College / University most likely have little issue with erectile health.

I would agree. However, to stay consistent and since they keep trying to link them, you would think that the people that state that Georgetown must cover female contraceptives would also try forcing Georgetown and other religious organizations to cover viagra. Yet, hardly a peep.

 

[buck]

Re: The Truth or Not the Truth with Georgetown University?

I'm as sick as everyone else about the story of Sandra Fluke. HOWEVER...let's get to the guts of the issue about the health plan issues related to this situation.

I read the following recently in another forum. Is it true or not true? If you want to comment regarding the validity of the following then great, but please...please keep it civil. And try to stay with the OP. If you can prove the following either way...PLEASE post a source.

"It is my understanding is that Georgetown women are paying around $1800 for a health insurance policy which they must buy, is not subsidized by Georgetown and doesn't cover contraceptive services because Georgetown is a Catholic university and the C church disapproves of birth control.

So the question is: On what ground does Georgetown University have to decide that women can't have comprehensive health services when the school doesn't pay anything for it?"

Remember...In order to be a university or hospital...both have to meet certain government standards regardless if they are church owned or not.

Any other understanding about this issue? Is this wrong? Is it right?

I don't know if their plans are subsidized or not. However, I do know that the student's are not required to purchase the insurance through Georgetown. They can opt out of Georgetown's coverage by obtaining their own insurance that covers whatever they want it to cover. They want insurance to cover contraceptions? Go for it. The only requirement Georgetown has is that it covers a certain dollar amount per illness.

 

[Redress]

Moderator's Warning:

Threads merged. No more Rush/Fluke threads please. We have enough on the topic.

 

[nathanjames1791]

You do understand that women can need birthcontrol for other issues don't ya? If so? Then why are you crying about a medical need?

Here we go.. this stupid argument again. Here let me explain this so nobody can use this stupid argument again. If you have a medical problem in which you need BC your doctor can and will prescribe you a BC and you can get on your health insurance for free or at least cheaper becuase it is then considered a prescription. In the video she specifically mentions in the one story that the woman had health insurance but it wasnt covered. Why? becuase she was NOT getting it for health reasons.

 

[Ockham]

I would agree. However, to stay consistent and since they keep trying to link them, you would think that the people that state that Georgetown must cover female contraceptives would also try forcing Georgetown and other religious organizations to cover viagra. Yet, hardly a peep.

If there were enough men to justify the consistency, then sure. But I wouldn't support consistency for consistency's sake...

 

[buck]

If there were enough men to justify the consistency, then sure. But I wouldn't support consistency for consistency's sake...

I would. I suspect it is more then just GT that doesn't cover viagra. I would bet that none of the religious organizations do. This is an injustice! I demand everyone has the right to be hard. Democrats that put out the silly talking point should be up in arms.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: The Truth or Not the Truth with Georgetown University?

Georgetown University requires certain groups of students to have health insurance coverage. Students enrolled in nine (9) or more credits in a degree-granting program (Eight or more if a graduate or law student) as well as those enrolled full-time in thesis research will be charged for the university's most comprehensive insurance plan, the Premier Plan. The cost is $1895 for the 2011-2012 year. Coverage is effective August 15, 2011 through August 14, 2012.
Tuition Info - Student Health Insurance

The GU Student Health Insurance Office responsibilities include:
Negotiation of the student health plans with insurance agents;
Administration of the enrollment of student health insurance plans and overall Plan management; and,
Facilitation of claims concerns with the insurance company, if students are not satisfied that they have received the benefits to which they are entitled, after they have appealed their claim.
Georgetown University :: Office of Student Affairs :: Student Health Insurance

I could not find any information to substantiate that Georgetown does not pay a portion of the premiums for the plan, but that doesn't mean they don't. In any event, it costs them a certain amount to administer the plan.

In any event, this is the plan they've negotiated with the insurance company they've chosen. They also give the students the option to provide their own health insurance as long as it has at least the same coverage. The student's chosen plan could have greater coverage if the student so chooses.

Here is the University's rational for requiring the student to have health insurance:

For all students, good health is essential to achieving educational goals. Because maintaining good health requires access to health care when you need it, Georgetown University requires the students described below to have health insurance.

I see nothing unusual about the school requiring students to have health insurance and providing a plan. Also, there are many other exclusions besides birth control in their plan. These exclusions, including the birth control exclusion, are quite reasonable and probably result in a reduction in the cost of the plan.

When you really get down to it, the old expression applies: "Ya makes yo choice...and ya pays the price."

 

[Prof. Peabody]

No doubt in my mind she'll be applying for a sex change soon. To me she makes a much better looking guy than a chick.